Man locked up for no dog licence

mike65 · 09-12-2009 04:03PM

For those who have no heart (or simply don't know what happened) listen to the interview yesterday
http://dynamic.rte.ie/quickaxs/209-rte-liveline-2009-12-08.smil

or podcast it here

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-12-2009 04:04PM

syklops wrote: »

Why in the world would you skim through an article and comment on it, then admit to only skimming the article, then make another facepalm comment.

A summons was sent to him, but he did not receive it, nor did he receive other correspondence from the court or the dog wardens. The reason for this was a fup up on An Post's side which they have admitted and apologised for.

When the court heard nothing back from him a warrant for his arrest was issued, and he was arrested at his house and brought straight to mountjoy.

You do know that Samson will most likely ignore this don't you?.

If anyone is really interested they'd take a few minutes to listen to yesterdays Joe Duffy show, available on Podcast to hear the man's story, there's also a statement issued by the dept.of Justice on the matter.

mikom · 09-12-2009 04:08PM

Dana Squeaking Chairlift wrote: »

I've also got one cat and about 30 tropical fish, why don't I need to licence these?.

Give it time.............

When you need a licence for all of them I suggest just buying the dog licence.
Then when the inspector calls to the door, you can say hold on a tic........... run back indoors, feed the fish to the cat, the cat to the dog, then fuck the TV up in the attic.

syklops · 09-12-2009 04:08PM

Dana Squeaking Chairlift wrote: »

You do know that Samson will most likely ignore this don't you?.

If anyone is really interested they'd take a few minutes to listen to yesterdays Joe Duffy show, available on Podcast to hear the man's story, there's also a statement issued by the dept.of Justice on the matter.

He probably will but fup it, I wanted to post anyway. I heard him(Dominic) on Joe Duffy the other day and it was so sad.

On a seperate note, I heard somewhere that the revenue from the dog license is something like 3 million a year, and the cost of collecting the license money and enforcing it is about 6 million?

I don't have a source, but it was on the radio.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-12-2009 04:10PM

syklops wrote: »

He probably will but fup it, I wanted to post anyway. I heard him(Dominic) on Joe Duffy the other day and it was so sad.

On a seperate note, I heard somewhere that the revenue from the dog license is something like 3 million a year, and the cost of collecting the license money and enforcing it is about 6 million?

I don't have a source, but it was on the radio.

There's some very good threads on dog licences and pound funding in the Animals and Pets Forum.

axer · 09-12-2009 04:11PM

Dana Squeaking Chairlift wrote: »

Zohan's idea of a free licence for the life of the rescue dog is bang on the money.

If you cannot afford a license then you cannot afford a dog.

Dana Squeaking Chairlift wrote: »

Personally I've one rescue dog (a Pitbull) and one pure breed (A Staffordshire Bull Terrier) both licenced.

Not that hard to do is it?

Dana Squeaking Chairlift wrote: »

I've also got one cat and about 30 tropical fish, why don't I need to licence these?.

Maybe cats should require a license but they do not cause the same level of problems that stray dogs and dogs that attack people cause. We do not have nor need fish wardens thus there is no cost to the state.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-12-2009 04:12PM

mike65 wrote: »

For those who have no heart (or simply don't know what happened) listen to the interview yesterday
http://dynamic.rte.ie/quickaxs/209-rte-liveline-2009-12-08.smil

or podcast it here

And for their info, the interview with Dominic starts from the beginning so you won't be spared Mary Jane Rottencrotch bitch about flooding in her goldfish pond.

axer · 09-12-2009 04:13PM

mike65 wrote: »

For those who have no heart (or simply don't know what happened) listen to the interview yesterday
http://dynamic.rte.ie/quickaxs/209-rte-liveline-2009-12-08.smil

or podcast it here

What have sob stories to do with this. The facts of the case should be the only relevant parts here. This guy chose not to pay his license because people in Ireland don't take it seriously.

ArmaniJeanss · 09-12-2009 04:14PM

syklops wrote: »

Why in the world would you skim through an article and comment on it, then admit to only skimming the article, then make another facepalm comment.

A summons was sent to him, but he did not receive it, nor did he receive other correspondence from the court or the dog wardens. The reason for this was a fup up on An Post's side which they have admitted and apologised for.

When the court heard nothing back from him a warrant for his arrest was issued, and he was arrested at his house and brought straight to mountjoy.

This intreptration is just so wrong.

It implies that there was zero time between the warrant and the guards calling, almost that the first he knew about it was when he got hauled off to Mountjoy.

Whereas we know he became aware of the issue at some time between the court case and last weekend and that this timescale is probably at least several weeks. Because he rang the council and he contacted An Post, and enough time passed for An Post to be able to give him an apology note.

We don't know the contents of this apology note (did its timespan cover every single bit of communication sent by the court).

Nor do we though if he contacted a solicitor / citizens advice etc. Or if he contacted the court directly to explain the situation.

This guy is on neighbourhood residents committees so he would have had access to good advice from councillors/CABs etc, and how to go about getting this advice.

There is definitely some inconsistencies in the story as its been told to us.

Sam Kade · 09-12-2009 04:15PM

wilson10 wrote: »

Ok, I believe that the law must be enforced but I think that this is an absolute disgrace. The guards in particular who took this man to mountjoy have no shame.

http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/dundalknews/Dundalk-man-still-shocked-after.5895993.jp

It's Gardaí.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-12-2009 04:15PM

axer wrote: »

Not that hard to do is it?

Not hard for me because I'm in charge of all my faculties thankfully.

Listen to the show, someone has been kind enough to post the link for you.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 09-12-2009 04:18PM

axer wrote: »

What have sob stories to do with this. The facts of the case should be the only relevant parts here. This guy chose not to pay his license because people in Ireland don't take it seriously.

**edited, can't be arsed this with person anymore..

samson09 · 09-12-2009 04:30PM

syklops wrote: »

Why in the world would you skim through an article and comment on it, then admit to only skimming the article, then make another facepalm comment.

A summons was sent to him, but he did not receive it, nor did he receive other correspondence from the court or the dog wardens. The reason for this was a fup up on An Post's side which they have admitted and apologised for.

When the court heard nothing back from him a warrant for his arrest was issued, and he was arrested at his house and brought straight to mountjoy.

I was just trying to highlight how ridiculous, backwards and wrong our legal system is. The fact that people even think they are obliged to buy a dog license is laughable. I don't care about the smaller details, the fact is that there is no justice in our courts anymore, their only concern is extracting money from people.

the_dark_side · 09-12-2009 04:30PM

TheZohan wrote: »

Sure....

I am sure... I have friends who are guards.

I suppose it didnt put it in a very good way. What I am trying to say I suppose, is that we are being ruled over by an oligarchy-like hierchy of politicans, who surround themselves with members of the legal profession, the higher the rank within the profession, the better.

And here we have a penal type judgement imposed on a man who claims he wasnt recieving his post. Whether or not this was true, does it warrant a gaol sentence? Surely he could have been given the benefit, and given some voluntary work or community service instead. Instead, the judge banishes him to the dungeons for 20 days (at the cost of 2,000 a week to the tax payer).
You can be sure that this individual will be far from 'his honour's' mind this evening, as he presides over the evening papers and watches the budget post mortem whilst waiting on his roast duck in Finnegans of Dalkey.

Meanwhile, Brian Lenihan steps back into his chaufer driven Audi A6 and is swept off to the Four Seasons, after condemming the nation to a future of debt and servitude; in many ways, the dog license guy is metaphorical for the gross injustice that is about to be delivered to the people of Ireland as I speak....

wilson10 · 09-12-2009 04:32PM

Sam Kade wrote: »

It's Gardaí.

Sorry guard.

Guy:Incognito · 09-12-2009 04:41PM

wilson10 wrote: »

In another Louth paper today, the Drogheda Independant, there's a story about a scumbag who stole a chequebook and tried to change a cheque for €2100.

The hilarious thing about it is that he travelled 10 miles to Dunleer and tried to use the cheque in a hardware store owned by a brother of the person he had stolen from. Obviously didn't read the name over the door.

But the thing that annoys me is that when his solicitor rolled out the old sob story about his drink problem, the judge let him off with a suspended sentence. Maybe the judge has a drink problem and knows the curse it can be.

Then you have this unfortunate going to prison for failing to pay a fine he can't afford.

Some people are saying that it's black & white, no room for compassion.

If there's no room for compassion then the country really is fcuked.

Yeah but that guy actually bothered turning up for court.

Guy:Incognito · 09-12-2009 04:42PM

Dana Squeaking Chairlift wrote: »

You do know that Samson will most likely ignore this don't you?.

Like you did about my comment about you buttering up the old guys story?

Kipperhell · 09-12-2009 05:24PM

samson09 wrote: »

I was just trying to highlight how ridiculous, backwards and wrong our legal system is. The fact that people even think they are obliged to buy a dog license is laughable. I don't care about the smaller details, the fact is that there is no justice in our courts anymore, their only concern is extracting money from people.

How are you not obliged to buy a dog licence? Do you really think the legal system is a money making scheme for the government?

It seems like a completely useless system then.

I guess you could say the enforcement of government revenue laws is money making as a deterrent but that would be a function from the start so there is no "anymore" about it.

What way d you think it should function that would work better?

samson09 · 09-12-2009 05:37PM

Kipperhell wrote: »

How are you not obliged to buy a dog licence? Do you really think the legal system is a money making scheme for the government? It seems like a completely useless system then.

I guess you could say the enforcement of government revenue laws is money making as a deterrent but that would be a function from the start so there is no "anymore" about it.

What way d you think it should function that would work better?

PM me if you want a chat about this. Or anyone else for that matter.

VinnyTGM · 09-12-2009 05:46PM

This country is a joke.

Kipperhell · 10-12-2009 10:33AM

samson09 wrote: »

PM me if you want a chat about this. Or anyone else for that matter.

It must be completely legal so as you are so willing to publicly stand by it.:rolleyes: You sound like a conspiracy nut so I don't think I'll bother subscribing to your service.

marco_polo · 10-12-2009 11:55AM

wilson10 wrote: »

Ok, I believe that the law must be enforced but I think that this is an absolute disgrace. The guards in particular who took this man to mountjoy have no shame.

http://www.dundalkdemocrat.ie/dundalknews/Dundalk-man-still-shocked-after.5895993.jp

So you would prefer to live in a country where the guards have a choice as to whether or not to carry out a court order and arrest somebody and bring them to jail.

How would such a system work exactly, would you ultimately envisage some sort of cash based decision making proceedure like certain Latin/South American countries have in place?

wudangclan · 10-12-2009 12:42PM

Isn't the concept of having a licence for a non-dangerous animal (the majority of dogs would be included in this) a bit ridiculous in the first place?
Why not have a goldfish licence or a canary licence?
To lock someone up in jail for something as arbitrary as this is a joke,tbh.
And for anyone to come on here and say he deserves to be locked up......

Edit; you beat me to it,Makikomi.

Duggy747 · 10-12-2009 01:12PM

Clearly this is the fault of the immigints', Muslims, and the public sector. :pac:

wilson10 · 10-12-2009 02:20PM

marco_polo wrote: »

So you would prefer to live in a country where the guards have a choice as to whether or not to carry out a court order and arrest somebody and bring them to jail.

How would such a system work exactly, would you ultimately envisage some sort of cash based decision making proceedure like certain Latin/South American countries have in place?

It would work very simply as it used to work when the gardai were involved in the community, knew the people and used common sense.

About 20 years a cousin of mine was visited by the local sergeant who told him that he had been instructed to arrest him and take him to prison for non payment of motoring fines. John explained that he had applied to the credit union for a loan and wouldn't have it for 2 days.

The sergeant gave him the 2 days, obviously reporting that John wasn't at home when he called.

The fines were paid, the taxpayer was saved the cost of encarserating John and the sergeant was seen as a good guy by the community.

Common sense prevailed

marco_polo · 10-12-2009 02:41PM

wilson10 wrote: »

It would work very simply as it used to work when the gardai were involved in the community, knew the people and used common sense.

About 20 years a cousin of mine was visited by the local sergeant who told him that he had been instructed to arrest him and take him to prison for non payment of motoring fines. John explained that he had applied to the credit union for a loan and wouldn't have it for 2 days.

The sergeant gave him the 2 days, obviously reporting that John wasn't at home when he called.

The fines were paid, the taxpayer was saved the cost of encarserating John and the sergeant was seen as a good guy by the community.

Common sense prevailed

He was not in a postition to pay the fine at an stage, so the guard really had no choice but to arrest him.

I hadn't read the article when I posted as I was mainly objecting to the garda bashing cavet at the end of the OP (I had presumed it was a protest non payment or something). I agree it is one of the most ridiculous arrests I have read in a long time, but the blame is misdirected by the OP if you ask me.

contakt23 · 10-12-2009 09:59PM

i blame the cnuts of cops who brought him to the slammer, just following orders....yea... remember that old line...not good enough!

WeeBushy · 10-12-2009 10:06PM

I think going to jail is a little extreme... a fine would be more suitable. Did he keep refusing to get one does anyone know? Because then the courts would've been left with little alternative and it'd be his fault...

Fucking idiot should have got one in the first place either way, they're there for a reason.

EDIT: just read the original article. He was sent to jail for not paying a €650 fine. He has no one to blame but himself.

Bandit12 · 10-12-2009 10:29PM

Welcome to Eire. A country where you can rape a woman,mug an OAP,rob money from the taxpayer,hell you can actually drink and drive kill a person and for these crimes you get away scott free whilst this fella does time for not having a dog licence.:mad: What a kip.

Man locked up for no dog licence

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