Budget fuel implications

Bandara · 08-12-2009 10:25pm #1

Hi all,

just a heads up on what is 'expected' to happen tomorrow

approx 6c UNL and 3c Derv

as I say that's the strong rumour within the industry, if it's wrong don't shoot the messenger

all I'm saying is if yu tank is empty fill it up before lunch tomorrow.

Regards
ht

Midnight_EG · 08-12-2009 10:27pm

Is it going up, or down?

Cionád · 08-12-2009 10:31pm

Going up. I reckon 6c UNL, 5c on diesel.

Would make unleaded cheaper up north than down here :eek:

Matt Simis · 08-12-2009 10:34pm

If petrol is going up that much, Im going to seriously have to figure out another way of sourcing it..

Seth Brundle · 08-12-2009 10:46pm

More green punishment for petrol drivers!

Hal1 · 08-12-2009 11:14pm

Would that qualify as their so called 'carbon tax' we've been hearing about so much for the last couple of weeks? God I hate the greens fcuking clowns the lot of them.

unkel · 08-12-2009 11:16pm

Matt Simis wrote: »

If petrol is going up that much, Im going to seriously have to figure out another way of sourcing it..

Like in make your own ethanol?

Tipsy Mac · 08-12-2009 11:22pm

Good idea putting up the price of petrol more than the north, not only will this kill the trade from northerners coming south to refuel but it will mean those heading north shopping will refuel up there, shooting himself in the foot bigtime, he should send Gormley off to the Arctic for a few months studying icebergs

Scottie99 · 08-12-2009 11:22pm

Just when everyone in the country is saying we should be more competitive, the Government adds 5/6 cents with a "green tax"

Bandara · 08-12-2009 11:24pm

Cionád wrote: »

Going up. I reckon 6c UNL, 5c on diesel.

Would make unleaded cheaper up north than down here :eek:

That's the big feat of the government IMO, if people start going over the border for fuel the tax loss will be catastrophic

Guy:Incognito · 08-12-2009 11:28pm

I thought this was going to be another rant about Tesco petrol.:)

Mr Benevolent · 08-12-2009 11:29pm

Hammertime wrote: »

That's the big feat of the government IMO, if people start going over the border for fuel the tax loss will be catastrophic

Going up north to save a few cent on petrol is illogical. The cost of the journey will more than cancel any saving out, depending on where you're driving from.

Seperate · 08-12-2009 11:30pm

Stekelly wrote: »

I thought this was going to be another rant about Tesco petrol.:)

Thats what I thought too...

SV · 08-12-2009 11:31pm

jaysus christ..
I wonder how much road tax will go up..

Running my car which was always so easy may get very expensive!

Confab wrote: »

Going up north to save a few cent on petrol is illogical. The cost of the journey will more than cancel any saving out, depending on where you're driving from.

Not if you fill a load of cans! I remember this happening before..safety issues were mentioned with carrying around bootfulls of unsecure petrol!

Del2005 · 08-12-2009 11:33pm

Confab wrote: »

Going up north to save a few cent on petrol is illogical. The cost of the journey will more than cancel any saving out, depending on where you're driving from.

SV wrote: »

jaysus christ..
I wonder how much road tax will go up..

Running my car which was always so easy may get very expensive!

Not if you fill a load of cans! I remember this happening before..safety issues were mentioned with carrying around bootfulls of unsecure petrol!

You could fill it with food and alcohol. No law against that and it'll make the saving all the bigger.

SV · 08-12-2009 11:36pm

Del2005 wrote: »

You could fill it with food and alcohol. No law against that and it'll make the saving all the bigger.

lol, because you quoted all of that I first read it as that I could fill my car with food and alcohol in place of fuel :P

Lemondrop kid · 08-12-2009 11:37pm

Does anyone know if home-heating oil is going to be affected?

flamegrill · 08-12-2009 11:40pm

Lemondrop kid wrote: »

Does anyone know if home-heating oil is going to be affected?

Most likely!

Seth Brundle · 08-12-2009 11:43pm

Lemondrop kid wrote: »

Does anyone know if home-heating oil is going to be affected?

Presumably so - done in part to help encourage this green industry crapology we keep hearing about! make it too expenisve to heat the housa that you might consider a solar panel or something!

daveharnett · 08-12-2009 11:47pm

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Is it going up, or down?

I like what you did there

08-12-2009 11:49pm

I'm 37 and going to buy my first car in the coming weeks. I know.

I never had a need to buy a car in the past as I have lived in Germany, France, Spain & Holland where public transport was more efficient and affordable than having a car, and I also gave years working at sea, so having a car parked up for weeks when I was away and paying for it, was, well a waste.

Anyway, this is all well and dandy having these penalties off taxes to change people's ways, but to what?
Most people don't have alternative means off transport, such as a reliable, affordable and integrated public transport. It is not here. And it could be here, they are loads off working examples available in other countries, such as the ones listed above.

And in the future, this fuel will no doubt rise without the aid off those planks up in the dail, and what will this do for local industry.

The mind really wonders at these guys.

Another short term solution.

Heroditas · 08-12-2009 11:54pm

Interesting that Hammertime quotes quite differing price increases for petrol and diesel.
If that is the case, then this carbon tax is being applied completely differently to how it is supposed to have been calculated, i.e. based on the international price of carbon (such a ridiculous concept anyway)

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[font=&quot]€0.54[/font]

[font=&quot]+4.8%[/font]

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[font=&quot]Natural Gas*[/font]
[font=&quot]kWh[/font]

[font=&quot]€0.05[/font]

[font=&quot]+6.4%[/font]

[font=&quot]+8.5%[/font]

[font=&quot]Coal[/font]
[font=&quot]tonne[/font]

[font=&quot]€380[/font]

[font=&quot]+10.4%[/font]

[font=&quot]+13.9%[/font]

[font=&quot]Peat Briquettes[/font]
[font=&quot]bale[/font]

[font=&quot]€3.85[/font]

[font=&quot]+8.9%[/font]

[font=&quot]+11.9%[/font]

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[font=&quot]€1.18[/font]

[font=&quot]+3.0%[/font]

[font=&quot]+4.0%[/font]

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[font=&quot]€1.07[/font]

[font=&quot]+3.8%[/font]

[font=&quot]+5.0%[/font]

[font=&quot]Electricity*[/font]
[font=&quot]kWh[/font]

[font=&quot]€0.16[/font]

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unkel · 09-12-2009 12:08am

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

he should send Gormley off to the Arctic for a few months studying icebergs

A few months? Surely he'll agree to practise what he preaches. He'll agree to be buried alive in the Arctic in the permafrost as global warming will surely set him free in the next few weeks. Yeah right. He'll be Ötzi Mark 2. Not to be found until the year 4000

daveharnett · 09-12-2009 12:09am

Hmmm, I wonder if they are trying to engineer a short term bump in VRT revenue? Combined with the inevitable bump in the motor tax rates, increasing the price differential between diesel and petrol strengthens the case for people to go and buy 2008+ diesels.

DubTony · 09-12-2009 12:36am

Is this the carbon tax we're being threatened with or simply an increase in excise?

Won't be long before retail prices reach the dizzy heights of summer '08 although I still can't figure out why? Is it time to dump the dollar?

7 June 2008 BBC Web site.

8 December 2009 http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-12/08/content_12608195.htm

Heroditas · 09-12-2009 12:46am

DubTony wrote: »

Is this the carbon tax we're being threatened with or simply an increase in excise?

Won't be long before retail prices reach the dizzy heights of summer '08 although I still can't figure out why? Is it time to dump the dollar?

It's an increase in excise cunningly disguised as a "carbon tax".
Apparently the Greens are bleating that the only reason they want it implemented is because FF want to raise some more revenue.

Dartz · 09-12-2009 1:29am

How much does it cost to buy one of those Home heating oil kerosene tanks?

Then, How much does it cost to to rent a tanker truck, split between a 'few' friends?

Maybe buying in bulk will make a saving. Not to mention a truck's cab full of other crap bought in Newry, and that you can get your home heating oil and everything. Drive it home, fill your own tanks in the shed somewhere, and full up at home for a few weeks or so. Lather, rinse repeat.

It's perfectly legal, it *is* the EU after all, and sure was the excise paid in the country of sale?

Either that, or a Volvo Estate with 40 Jerrycans. Just don't crash.

Lord Nikon · 09-12-2009 4:48am

Whats annoying and suprising to me is, is that petrol/diesel has not come down at all. It's still up there at 118/109. if anything less fuels should be used less now than say a year ago, what with people saving money and using less fuel by not going anywhere if they don't need to.

Why wasn't it high during the Celtic Tiger, and lowered now to promote purchase of it?

galwaytt · 09-12-2009 12:27pm

NoDrama wrote: »

I'm 37 and going to buy my first car in the coming weeks. I know.

...buy a motorbike, at least that way you'll feel better, and get to work an hour earlier as well.

And, if you go back to the Mainland, you can bring it with you. No need to worry about horse**** VRT-entrapment.

Black_Knight · 09-12-2009 12:30pm

When is this taking affect? Ive not been arsed filling up in a few weeks now, and im nearly on empty! Dont tell me im gonna be filling up for an extra 5c a liter today!

Cionád · 09-12-2009 12:32pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

When is this taking affect? Ive not been arsed filling up in a few weeks now, and im nearly on empty! Dont tell me im gonna be filling up for an extra 5c a liter today!

Most likely midnight tonight, some sneaky stations might take advantage today though.

Black_Knight · 09-12-2009 12:34pm

Cionád wrote: »

Most likely midnight tonight, some sneaky stations might take advantage today though.

Looks like a wee cruise around Galway tonight for the best price so.

09-12-2009 12:42pm

I'll just fill my tank up on the way back from Newry then, seeing as everything else is cheaper up north they may aswell add fuel to the list :rolleyes:

drunkmonkey · 09-12-2009 12:44pm

the 3 garages around me are all 119.99 at the moment and have been for a few months, this should drive them up to about 130c a liter, don't you just love monolopys:rolleyes:

Does anyone know the wholesale price of petrol if I was to buy my own petrol tank for home?

Cionád · 09-12-2009 12:47pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Does anyone know the wholesale price of petrol if I was to buy my own petrol tank for home?

There was a thread about this a little while back, I think the consensus was that when you count in the cost of a tank / deliveries you would need to be doing a hell of a lot of driving to break even.

Theta · 09-12-2009 1:08pm

Meh 6c big deal im not going to bother filling up my tank to save me 5 euro.

ART6 · 09-12-2009 1:34pm

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

Good idea putting up the price of petrol more than the north, not only will this kill the trade from northerners coming south to refuel but it will mean those heading north shopping will refuel up there, shooting himself in the foot bigtime, he should send Gormley off to the Arctic for a few months studying icebergs

He can't. Gormless is busy studying frogs:D

racso1975 · 09-12-2009 1:49pm

irlmarc wrote: »

Meh 6c big deal im not going to bother filling up my tank to save me 5 euro.

Yeah and if you fill your tank twice a week like i do thats gonna cost ya 520 euro a year extra!!!!

I think that deserves a bit more then a meh

alias no.9 · 09-12-2009 1:49pm

Hammertime wrote: »

Hi all,

just a heads up on what is 'expected' to happen tomorrow

approx 6c UNL and 3c Derv

Well that blows the whole 'Carbon Tax' bull**** out of the water then, what with diesel having a higher carbon content per litre than unleaded.

SV · 09-12-2009 1:54pm

racso1975 wrote: »

Yeah and if you fill your tank twice a week like i do thats gonna cost ya 520 euro a year extra!!!!

I think that deserves a bit more then a meh

An extra tenner a week..
I don't think that deserves more than a meh.

Theta · 09-12-2009 2:07pm

SV wrote: »

An extra tenner a week..
I don't think that deserves more than a meh.

Yeah im sticking with my original meh.

BlackWizard · 09-12-2009 2:24pm

SV wrote: »

An extra tenner a week..
I don't think that deserves more than a meh.

That's 520 euro a year. You must be working in the civil service and still think its 2007 to have that sort of view.

SV · 09-12-2009 2:32pm

BlackWizard wrote: »

That's 520 euro a year. You must be working in the civil service and still think its 2007 to have that sort of view.

Yeah 520 a year was mentioned already.
I just don't think a tenner a week is a huge amount. I'm going by that as that's when people are usually paid..weekly that is.

If you want to multiply everything then of course it's going to sound like a colossal amount.

and no, I don't work in the civil service.

kayos · 09-12-2009 2:33pm

SV wrote: »

An extra tenner a week..
I don't think that deserves more than a meh.

So you wont miss 520 in a year? Jesus good to see some people are keeping the tiger era thinking alive.

SV · 09-12-2009 2:35pm

kayos wrote: »

So you wont miss 520 in a year? Jesus good to see some people are keeping the tiger era thinking alive.

In a year? No..no I won't miss it.

Pdfile · 09-12-2009 2:37pm

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

Good idea putting up the price of petrol more than the north, not only will this kill the trade from northerners coming south to refuel but it will mean those heading north shopping will refuel up there, shooting himself in the foot bigtime, he should send Gormley off to the Arctic for a few months studying icebergs

i think we should tax his bicycle....

with a sledge hammer. :cool:

Theta · 09-12-2009 2:37pm

SV wrote: »

and no, I don't work in the civil service.

I dont work in the civil service either and I couldnt give a toss. You drive a car you pay for fuel and despite what you think fuel in Ireland is not that bad!

mickdw · 09-12-2009 2:51pm

Its not that bad but if they tax petrol up to about €1.30. What will it be like if oil gets dear again. Ive a petrol car now but Im fierce tempted by a bmw 335d coupe. Cant imagine that being cheap to fuel either though.

Padraig Mor · 09-12-2009 3:00pm

Cionád wrote: »

Most likely midnight tonight, some sneaky stations might take advantage today though.

If I'm correct, the increase from midnight is in excise, which is charged on entry into the country, not at the till. Any stations increasing price until at least their next delivery are price gouging. Same with fags, booze etc.

Cionád · 09-12-2009 3:09pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

If I'm correct, the increase from midnight is in excise, which is charged on entry into the country, not at the till. Any stations increasing price until at least their next delivery are price gouging. Same with fags, booze etc.

I think you're right.

Newstalk reporting 4 cent on unleaded, 5 cent on diesel, which matches the carbon figures posted by Heroditas.

09-12-2009 3:14pm

Cionád wrote: »

I think you're right.

Newstalk reporting 4 cent on unleaded, 5 cent on diesel, which matches the carbon figures posted by Heroditas.

I heard the same on the radio aswell.

The only thing is the drop in the price of drink should balance out the increase in petrol for me anyway

, if its passed on by the publicans that is.

Budget fuel implications

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