All Estate Names to be in Irish

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 08:30PM

mars bar wrote: »

I'm yet to hear a foreigner saying their address in Irish, can't wait for the day I do coz it's got to be funny.

That's about the only positive I get from this.

One estate in Gort is called "The Punchbowl". Anyone care to translate for me please? Just outta curiosity really...

Yeah, and all those Poles and Latvians (and the rest of them) were just brought up from the cradle speaking English like a native Yorkshireman. Wakey, wakey: to most foreigners in Ireland, your beloved English is foreign. Duh!

Spacers.

peabutler · 08-12-2009 08:33PM

It is about time the people in power start caring about Irish. Out of the TD's who claim to speak Irish only about 5/6 do.

There is no country without a language

Nil aon Tir gan Teanga

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 08:38PM

Amalgam wrote: »

I don't have an issue with the language itself, it's just a language, one I don't use, but legislating\forcing this on people, by *local* government is a kick in the balls for many. Will the English be visible alongside the Irish?

Why complicate my life, complicate your own..

It's only a matter of time before an ambulance chaser will make money on the back of this..

For the most literate and culturally conscious Irish people in Ireland, in terms of placename nomenclature "complications", watching an Irish housing estate be named "Windsor Downs" takes first prize. That you are seemingly oblivious to this reflects let us just say a less eclectic cultural outlook.

Dirty Dublin and its junkies, dirty streets and violence is poisoned with aping the English and their names. Common as mud. Devoid of grace. Not attractive to tourists. Not culturally distinctive. A bit of Manchester in a different country.

It's all about money. Wake up, please.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 08:43PM

gaeilgegrinds wrote: »

Is the case in Galway. I think it sort of did work in that any of the newcomers to Ireland I know now know what their estate name means. Not saying many of the Irish do. Most of the names don't make any less sense than the English ones might I add, not saying they make more sense but the definetely don't make any less!

Shhhhh. This sort of thinking is just too much for the anti-Irish lobby: foreigners for whom English is a foreign language?! No, they couldn't possibly exist.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 08:45PM

kowloon wrote: »

The place I live in is named after one of Cromwells generals; would it be in the interest of Irish culture to give the place an Irish name irrelevant to its history?

Yes, let's just analyse that "history" some more, shall we?

I've seen eejits in Cavan (if that's not a tautology) say Cromwell was there.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 08:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not exactly true, it was in the 17 & 18th century, but in the 19th century the people chose to switch themselves.

In fact, it is true that the British imposed their language right up until 6 December 1922. To take one example of many, English was a compulsory subject in school. It was only after independence that Irish became a compulsory subject. No doubt the anti-Irish lobby have no probem with the former.

Phil D · 08-12-2009 08:51PM

Has a cost benefit analysis ever been done by the government? Personally I think the long dead Irish language has little to do with our culture and "Irish" education should focus more on the music, literature, history and art of Ireland. Not some foolhardy revisionist's view of what Irishness means.
If we're going to follow anyone's lead we should look towards New Zealand. Then completely forget about the Irish language and settle down to learning something useful.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 08:53PM

monkeypants wrote: »

Make sure the postmen (and women) get the schooling first or no one's getting any post.

Yet again, more "concern" for the postmen of Ireland. They've managed to deliver my post to me all my life without problems. I think they'll survive these snide inferences from undereducated English monoglots about their intelligence.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 08:59PM

getz wrote: »

it wont give many people much hope when you read the likes of this,MAYO county council has agreed to correct a rash of incorectly spelt irish place names on road signes,33 place names across the county which were incorectly spelt and noted, that the gaeltacht status of three areas could be at risk as a result.

That does give me hope. Why wouldn't it? If people make a mistake, they admit it, and rectify it. That's basic integrity. It is long past the time that Dublin did the same. The current situation is embarrassing to Dublin City Council. And practically everybody on the Council is aware of it at this stage.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 09:04PM

kowloon wrote: »

How do you put a name with no Irish equivalent as gaeilge?

How do you put a name with no English equivalent as bearla?

Ahem. For those who still haven't got it: Galway, Limerick, Dublin, Cork, Belfast, Derry ... (duh!)

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 09:13PM

fatboypee wrote: »

On an off-topic note, another thing that bugs the crap outta me is, if you complete your Leaving Cert exams in Irish you automatically add 10% to your score ? WTF is that all about ? And the grammar is not checked ?

Utter discrimination.

FBP.

Is it the fact that people sitting their Leaving Cert in Irish are forced to read all of their textbooks in English that galls your sense of justice, or is it that fact that they are clearly intelligent enough to effectively do their Leaving Cert in two languages as a result of this?

Hmmm.

Fighting Irish · 08-12-2009 09:16PM

peabutler wrote: »

It is about time the people in power start caring about Irish. Out of the TD's who claim to speak Irish only about 5/6 do.

There is no country without a language

Nil aon Tir gan Teanga

lol

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 09:17PM

lallychops wrote: »

It is utter discrimination towards anyone (native to this country or otherwise) who do not attend Gaelscoils

I never attended a gaelscoil, and I'm delighted about it. So who, pray tell, do you think you are speaking on behalf of?

lallychops wrote: »

This option to complete the Leaving Cert through Irish is not widely available to students nation wide.

Er, if it's still available, it's still available to everybody throughout the state. What's your evidence to say otherwise?

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 09:20PM

lallychops wrote: »

a tad? These extra marks that they award can mean the difference between grades, in turn this leads to the difference between the amount of points recieved which in turn leads to someone who did their exams through Irish getting the university place you wanted even if you got better grades than them ,before their 10% gets added on ..... A tad unfair??? Extremely unfair. I wouldn't mind but not every school provides this option.....

Nonsense. It's like complaining that if a man is smart enough to make more millions that it is "unfair". Intelligence is not "fair". Accept it and move on.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 09:25PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

will they use makeyuppy Irish words like they did when they renamed all the Bus Lanes "Lana Bus"?

Oh, "Bus" - no connection to the Latin "omnibus" (wow; radical change there, Fratton Fred), I presume? When the English use a word from another language it becomes an "English" word; when the Irish do the same it becomes a "makeuppy" word. How very, well, English of you, Fratton Fred.

You can take the man out of England....

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 09:27PM

aDeener wrote: »

hmm because no other language, not even the one im using now, has makeyuppy words....:rolleyes:

Well said.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 09:28PM

Paulj wrote: »

A much better idea would be to signpost new housing estates properly and introduce post codes but they're different issues i guess.

Its going to be a nightmare trying to dictate these new addresses over the phone to irish people and non-irish alike.

The word Bothar will become:
beta-oscar-tango-hotel-alpha-romeo

Wow, it just amazes me how any language other than English survives on the entire planet.

dlofnep · 08-12-2009 09:31PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

will they use makeyuppy Irish words like they did when they renamed all the Bus Lanes "Lana Bus"?

Oh god. Stop, just stop. You seriously can't be this ignorant.

Lána is Irish for Lane, Bus is Irish for Bus. What's the issue? You don't think that English uses loan words or has words that are similar to other languages? Bus is a latin word.

aDeener · 08-12-2009 09:39PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Oh god. Stop, just stop. You seriously can't be this ignorant.

Lána is Irish for Lane, Bus is Irish for Bus. What's the issue? You don't think that English uses loan words or has words that are similar to other languages? Bus is a latin word.

bóithrín is a great word for lane, although i think that would apply more to country lanes. anyway just thought id share that:)

what really annoys me is the use of blatant english words when there is an irish equivalent. take museum for example, the national museum of ireland has its official translation as Ard-Mhúsaem na hÉireann, when there is a perfect irish word for it - iarsmalann

dlofnep · 08-12-2009 09:43PM

Bóithrín... How cute!

thebman · 08-12-2009 10:49PM

Rebelheart wrote: »

In fact, it is true that the British imposed their language right up until 6 December 1922. To take one example of many, English was a compulsory subject in school. It was only after independence that Irish became a compulsory subject. No doubt the anti-Irish lobby have no probem with the former.

Nice assumption :rolleyes:

Personally I think this is a stupid pointless idea that has no benefit to anyone whatsoever but hey thats just my opinion.

Oh and I have a problem with any language being forced on people. Its a stupid thing to do. If it can't exist on its own then it deserves to die. It doesn't define the Irish people as some people like to claim, its just a language.

sarmer · 08-12-2009 10:54PM

I think that gaelgoirs have far too much power in this country, it's just ridiculous. I think it's so unfair that the english speaking majority in this country have this language forced upon them by a minority of Irish language obsessed nutters.

I know many people disagree with this, but I have always hated being force fed this language that I have no use for from the age of 4.

08-12-2009 11:20PM

dlofnep wrote: »

Bóithrín... How cute!

In this part of the country, "Boreen" is often used to describe a small narrow road!.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 11:36PM

sarmer wrote: »

I think that gaelgoirs have far too much power in this country, it's just ridiculous. I think it's so unfair that the english speaking majority in this country have this language forced upon them by a minority of Irish language obsessed nutters.

I know many people disagree with this, but I have always hated being force fed this language that I have no use for from the age of 4.

There's always mother England, you know. Quite civilised over there, old bean (as I'm sure you'd know). It's quite weird staying in Ireland and giving out - oops, complaining - about the Irish language being in Ireland.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 11:40PM

thebman wrote: »

Oh and I have a problem with any language being forced on people. Its a stupid thing to do. If it can't exist on its own then it deserves to die.

And how come you don't seem to have been too keen on voicing this objection to the ridiculously English names like Windsor Downs being imposed upon Irish towns and villages? Or "Bellingham" being imposed on a housing estate in the wilds of Laois? Or is your "outrage" just for Irish culture in Ireland?

PS: Nice to know the English language was established here on "its own" without any support from a powerful military and so forth.

Louisc · 08-12-2009 11:43PM

Getting back on thread again, has anyone else noticed the irony in having Irish language estate names in Dublin

Irish was NEVER the spoken language of Dublin, and never will be.

The Viking people established the city a thousand years or more ago. They spoke old Norse. Next the Normans took over in the 12th century. They spoke a language like French. Then the English took over 4 or 5 hundred years ago........

By the way, I detest the Irish language with a passion, I apologize to Gaelgephiles, but I am Irish, and I can't help thinking what I do.
When I see road signs in Irish (underneath the english), it makes me want to vomit, I think it's stupid and could cause a crash, and it's a waste of paint.

I think the Irish language should be like Irish music, and like religion, those who want it should have it, but those who don't shouldn't be forced to learn it.

Is there any way we can have a vote to change the status of Irish in the constitution, I'm sure well over 75% of people think it's a complete waste of time, energy and brain space.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 11:45PM

Louisc wrote: »

Irish was NEVER the spoken language of Dublin, and never will be.

And your source for this undereducated rubbish is what, precisely? The etymology of the name Dublin, perhaps? No, please do enlighten us.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 11:48PM

Louisc wrote: »

By the way, I detest the Irish language with a passion .... When I see road signs in Irish (underneath the english), it makes me want to vomit, I think it's stupid and could cause a crash, and it's a waste of paint.

Impressive, even for a troll. Well done.

Rebelheart · 08-12-2009 11:52PM

Louisc wrote: »

Is there any way we can have a vote to change the status of Irish in the constitution, I'm sure well over 75% of people think it's a complete waste of time, energy and brain space.

Yes, you can stand for election on an anti-Irish language platform. Duh. Please do. I promise I will help in publicising your real name.

And if you are so "sure", then step up to the task and lead the revolution, Ms Myers.

Whosbetter? · 08-12-2009 11:58PM

Louisc wrote: »

Getting back on thread again, has anyone else noticed the irony in having Irish language estate names in Dublin

Irish was NEVER the spoken language of Dublin, and never will be.

The Viking people established the city a thousand years or more ago. They spoke old Norse. Next the Normans took over in the 12th century. They spoke a language like French. Then the English took over 4 or 5 hundred years ago........

By the way, I detest the Irish language with a passion, I apologize to Gaelgephiles, but I am Irish, and I can't help thinking what I do.
When I see road signs in Irish (underneath the english), it makes me want to vomit, I think it's stupid and could cause a crash, and it's a waste of paint.

I think the Irish language should be like Irish music, and like religion, those who want it should have it, but those who don't shouldn't be forced to learn it.

Is there any way we can have a vote to change the status of Irish in the constitution, I'm sure well over 75% of people think it's a complete waste of time, energy and brain space.

Good post & well put.

Rebelheart spent most of the evening disagreeing with the points of view of a lot of the posters on this thread.

There was a long list!

Is that not saying something?

Aren't people with his views not getting the message, that they're fighting a losing battle?

I don't disagree with every thing he says,but people who have such a dogmatic view on this subject, have put an awful lot to answer for!

For what?

For putting the people of Ireland off learning their own language. Duh!

All Estate Names to be in Irish

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