All Estate Names to be in Irish

darkman2

It's already happened in Galway. Now it's coming in in Dublin apparently. Every new name for an estate or house or offices (not sure bout offices) will have to be as gaeilge from now on....after public consultation.

http://www.insideireland.ie/index.cfm/section/news/ext/estatenames001/category/1070

MagicMarker

But I can't speak Irish.

Michellenman

As gaeilge.

pebbles21

Irelands already in a state !

dvpower

There's going to be new housing estates?

FouxDaFaFa

:eek:OH MY GOD!


So...?

mikom

darkman2 wrote: »

All Estate Names to be in Irish

Did they say anything about hatchbacks?

Baile an Locha

And the problem is????

I think its a really good idea,

Whosbetter?

This is seriously ungood.

Lol. I can't imagine a new estate being built for a looong time

My name is URL

Baile an Locha wrote: »

And the problem is????

I think its a really good idea,

They've already got to you :pac:

I don't see the point, it won't make people care about the language any more than they do now

partyatmygaff

"I am sure that this initiative will increase the use of the national language in this our capital city,” he added.

No it won't.

PirateShampoo

Baile an Locha wrote: »

And the problem is????

I think its a really good idea,

Dingle > Corca Dhuibhne

Will they ever learn.

30txsbzmcu2k9w

it's a fúcking stupid ugly language, i don't want to have to speak it.
pardon my ignorance Irish government.

SprostonGreen

Pretentious and poxy.

super_furry

Heh, like anyone's going to build new estates.

Baile an Locha

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Dingle > Corca Dhuibhne

Will they ever learn.

No, Dingle> Daingean.
Entirely different regions,

cbreeze

I think this is to do with the official languages act. Our streets etc are in Irish and English I've noticed. You dont have to like it. Even if there's no money left in the country they will still find the money for these schemes as they are more important than vaccinations for teenage girls against cervical cancer, special needs assistants in schools and medical cards for the over 70s. Don't you know:rolleyes:

yogidc26

Wont make any difference just no one will be able to spell them when sending out post

Baile an Locha

Iris Cool Wineglass wrote: »

it's a fúcking stupid ugly language, i don't want to have to speak it.
pardon my ignorance Irish government.

Noone is forcing anyone to speak it, it's just an estate name.
And it's hardly an ugly language, have you ever heard it properly spoken???

Whosbetter?

cbreeze wrote: »

I think this is to do with the official languages act. Our streets etc are in Irish and English I've noticed. You dont have to like it. Even if there's no money left in the country they will still find the money for these schemes as they are more important than vaccinations for teenage girls against cervical cancer, special needs assistants in schools and medical cards for the over 70s. Don't you know:rolleyes:

That sums it up nicely.

Good post.

me_right_one

About time. They should rename everything to its Gaelic equivalent. And get rid of sh1te like "royal" eg, RDS

Diabhal Beag

If ye have a problem with it ye should learn your home language. Keep Irish alive FFS

Agricola

Theres nothing worse than when they try to crowbar the language into everything they can. Like it or lump we are an english speakin country, tid be great if people stopped coddin themselves.

partyatmygaff

Baile an Locha wrote: »

Noone is forcing anyone to speak it, it's just an estate name.
And it's hardly an ugly language, have you ever heard it properly spoken???

Hardly anyone who lives outside of a Gaeltacht has.

In schools, thanks to the points race, all that anyone is taught is how to memorise pre-written essays for poetry and prose. If it were taught like French for example maybe some people may be atleast able to hold a conversation in Irish (Not that there is any reason to hold a conversation in Irish).

There should be basic Irish taught like French in the Leaving Cert and an optional subject called Irish Literature or something. The current way of teaching it makes everyone hate the language, whats the use in learning off poetry answers? Very few people read anything in Irish outside of school and I am fairly sure no one reads irish poetry and decides to analyze it.

ZzubZzub

I like the Irish names for Estates, Ard na Rí, Ard Alainn etc.

The only problem I see with it is for our non-national friends. May be confusing if they can't get the pronunciation right. Gettin a cab home will be a bitch!

PirateShampoo

Baile an Locha wrote: »

No, Dingle> Daingean.
Entirely different regions,

Sorry Corca Dhuibhne is Dingle Peninsula

So hardly Entirely different regions is it.

An Daingean is Dingle.

The sign changes dont make anyone want to learn Irish, to do that they need better teachers who dont try to force it down your throat.

All this is gonna do is confuse people who wont be able to spell the new names, thus piss off the Post Man who will then go on strike until the names are changed back.

smk89

But postmen already have enough difficulty telling complicated words such as 'road' and 'street' apart (hence why my mail always goes 2 streets away).

Put the words in Irish and their brains might just explode!

Diabhal Beag

Cleeo wrote: »

The only problem I see with it is for our non-national friends. May be confusing if they can't get the pronunciation right. Gettin a cab home will be a bitch!

That's a good point. I'm sure there will be some assistance offered for foreign nationals though. I hope they thought it true or it could be a disaster.

Baile an Locha

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Hardly anyone who lives outside of a Gaeltacht has.

In schools, thanks to the points race, all that anyone is taught is how to memorise pre-written essays for poetry and prose. If it were taught like French for example maybe some people may be atleast able to hold a conversation in Irish (Not that there is any reason to hold a conversation in Irish).

There should be basic Irish taught like French in the Leaving Cert and an optional subject called Irish Literature or something. The current way of teaching it makes everyone hate the language, whats the use in learning off poetry answers? Very few people read anything in Irish outside of school and I am fairly sure no one reads irish poetry and decides to analyze it.

Irish can be heard in every city in ireland,
And i'm in school and Irish is far from hated, the curriculum does need to be changed,i agree, but is far from hated.
I don't understand the major anti irish feeling,

Joey the lips

Brilliant idea. There should be a greater push, to encourage the language more.

PirateShampoo

No-one is Anti Irish, we are just Anti government, wasting money on pointless schemes which only make life difficult. Theres better things to spend this money on which can make people lives easier.

And i cant remember the last time i heard anyone speaking Irish.

Baile an Locha

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Theres better things to spend this money on which can make people lives easier.

And i cant remember the last time i heard anyone speaking Irish.

Yeah i agree,some of the money spent on the irish language is spent in ways that dont really help but it does need to be promoted.

smk89

Joey the lips wrote: »

Brilliant idea. There should be a greater push, to encourage the language more.

Why? Given the choice between Irish and German dont you think German should win because its is actually used in the real (buisness) world. I dont believe Irish should be encouraged it is effectively dead.

Another example of this whole pushing Irish thing is in the UCD library where each announcement is made twice in english and then once in irish, if you dont get it the first 2 times you have very little chance getting it the third

Four-Percent

partyatmygaff wrote: »

No it won't.

Eh... yeah it will.

Or are you going to ban people saying the name of their new estate?

Asmodean

I think it's a fantastic idea. It's our culture/heritage and national language whether we choose to use it or not. I can't speak it much myself which I am honestly a bit peeved off about, should have listened more in school. You hear the people of polish origin etc speaking with their home tongues all the time while us Irish are ****ting all over our culture.

ZzubZzub

I love the Irish language, I wish I was fluent and I wish it had a larger role in modern Ireland, but unfortunately it doesn't. It is dying out, the way it is taught is atrocious, and in no way promotes speaking it regularly.

Still, I think naming estates in Irish is nice. Kinda quaint! Same with naming pubs, cafés etc as gaeilge!

Asmodean

You honestly can't blame the way it is taught though, unless you have personally encountered every teacher in the country. Just as with any subject, I'm sure there are some terrible people out there teaching it. What way would you propose to ensure it is taught in a better fashion. It's very close-minded to speculate that "no-one speaks Irish anymore" just because you haven't heard anyone beside you speaking the language. There are whole communities that still rely on the language

kowloon

I'm all for another scheme to force a language on people in order to make them hate it more. At this rate the language will be completely dead in two generations.

Seriously though, pushing the language so heavily is having not having a positive effect.

Run_to_da_hills

Will these new as Gaeilge laws apply to halting sites?

starbelgrade

Asmodean wrote: »

There are whole communities that still rely on the language

And get nice government grants for it.

starbelgrade

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Will these new as Gaeilge laws apply to halting sites?

No laws apply to halting sites.

Asmodean

And get nice government grants for it.

Is that meant to sound condescending or genuine?

mikemac

They've been doing this in Galway for the last ten years at least.
Worked well there and it'll work fine in other counties

kowloon wrote: »

I'm all for another scheme to force a language on people in order to make them hate it more.

It is just to name estates, in fact it doesn't cost any money at all! Of course there are wasteful schemes in existence but this isn't one of them. Did you hear complaints about this from Galway?
I'd rather see Irish names then "Tuscany Downs" :rolleyes: or other such crap that exists in Ireland

Buceph

Asmodean wrote: »

There are whole communities that still rely on the language

No they don't. I rely on English because I can't communicate with the people around me in any other language. I'm fairly certain the people in the Gaeltacht can all speak English.

Of course as has been brought up, there's plenty of incentive for them to speak Irish; grants, TG4 jobs and translating every ****ing EU paper into Irish. What a waste.

yellow belly du

PirateShampoo wrote: »

No-one is Anti Irish, we are just Anti government, wasting money on pointless schemes which only make life difficult. Theres better things to spend this money on which can make people lives easier.

This was not the government's decision, it was Dublin City Council's decision. The naming of new housing estates has already been successful in Galway City and Navan.

How would this make your life more difficult?

Plus, unlike some unnescessary waste of tax payers money on Irish, this scheme is basically money free!

Four-Percent

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Hardly anyone who lives outside of a Gaeltacht has.

Anyone who has ever been to a gaeltacht has, anyone who has accidently turned the telly to TG4 has, and anyone who has accidently stuck on RNaG has. Not to mention the people who actually do these things on purpose :O

partyatmygaff wrote: »

In schools, thanks to the points race, all that anyone is taught is how to memorise pre-written essays for poetry and prose. If it were taught like French for example maybe some people may be atleast able to hold a conversation in Irish (Not that there is any reason to hold a conversation in Irish).

Maybe if, thanks to this self-same points race, you made an effort for your Irish oral you'd be able to hold a conversation in Irish. But then, you'd have to listen to Irish being spoken properly for that so I suppose that's not an option for ya

partyatmygaff wrote: »

There should be basic Irish taught like French in the Leaving Cert and an optional subject called Irish Literature or something.

Hm, that's not a bad idea actually. Although it shouldn't be basic Irish since people have been learning it since junior infants.The standard should be markedly higher than LC French/German/Spanish if the literature section would be dropped. Maybe just make the exam one paper?

partyatmygaff wrote: »

In schools, thanks to the points race, all that anyone is taught is how to memorise pre-written essays for poetry and prose.

it's the same in english for so many people too. What are you trying to say here? Oral and Aural work (Giggidy ) are important in the curriculum too.I had one oral class, one aural class and maybe 4 written classes a week back in the day.Pre-written essays were hardly "All that anyone is taught", and in any case they are a fantastic way of improving vocabulary and fluency (in any language)

kowloon

Perhaps we could just let people name places what they want to name them, if they want to call new estates by Polish names that's fine by me.

I would see this as a subtle form of social engineering.

Four-Percent

Iris Cool Wineglass wrote: »

it's a fúcking stupid ugly language, i don't want to have to speak it.
pardon my ignorance Irish government.

What makes it "Stupid"? Not enough big words for you?

kowloon

yellow belly du wrote: »

How would this make your more difficult?

On the other hand, why bother doing it at all? That definiitely wouldn't make anything more difficult and would require zero money.

partyatmygaff

Asmodean wrote: »

You honestly can't blame the way it is taught though, unless you have personally encountered every teacher in the country. Just as with any subject, I'm sure there are some terrible people out there teaching it. What way would you propose to ensure it is taught in a better fashion. It's very close-minded to speculate that "no-one speaks Irish anymore" just because you haven't heard anyone beside you speaking the language. There are whole communities that still rely on the language

I've never seen that outside of a Gaeltacht and even then it only gets smaller and smaller.
I amn't anti-irish, Its just the fact that the Irish you learn in school is completely and utterly useless outside of an exam. Atleast in european languages (like french/german e.t.c.) they are taught without introducing poetry and the like. Just pure grammar and vocabulary and functional writing. A huge amount of time is wasted learning off poetry, prose and drama. Most people just learn off pre-written essays made about a month before their exams that have been written using help from their teacher and a dictionary. That is definitley not the way to learn how to speak a language.