pedo gets a slap on the wrist

getz · 14-11-2009 01:39PM

we all seem to think that pedos are just male,but there was a recent report in the UK that stated,many woman are involved in it,try cutting their balls off

Murphyt · 14-11-2009 01:40PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Well, there's a big difference between thinking you would like child porn and actually downloading it. You'd get more understanding if you sought help beforehand.

Yes I agree absolutely, the problem is in todays society would you come forward for help knowing you would be immediately branded anyway.

m@cc@ · 14-11-2009 01:42PM

Murphyt wrote: »

Yes I agree absolutely, the problem is in todays society would you come forward for help knowing you would be immediately branded anyway.

Well, you could seek help without singing it from the rooftops.

El Siglo · 14-11-2009 01:44PM

actuallylike wrote: »

The absolute disgrace of some of the people in this thread, unbelievable stupidity and cruelty. Haven't a clue what they're talking about. This man is sick...SICK! Now what do we do with people who are sick? Well I would have thought try and figure out what's wrong with them and possibly offer a cure but no, according to people here, castration, torture and death is the only treatment. This guy deserves to be treated and analysed, not thrown to a pack of wolves.
Some of the comments here are very Third Reichish, "let him commit suicide, we don't need him anyway". You people are unbelievable!

Ever been abused by a pedophile?
Trust me when I say, it's more cruel than any punishment these creatures get. It's not a disease, calling it a disease is a cop out.

Murphyt · 14-11-2009 01:55PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Well, you could seek help without singing it from the rooftops.

Yes again you are right. I only ask as it seems most people want him dead and as I said having a child myself my first reaction was 'kill the B' but if we are to aim towards a better future for everyone we need to create a culture where we try to understand and prevent but at the same time show that we will not tolerate it and hand out suitable punishment. It is a hard issue, all the best on your return to Ireland.

Darksaga87 · 14-11-2009 01:57PM

You dont need to be physical to be a child abuser.

m@cc@ · 14-11-2009 01:59PM

Murphyt wrote: »

show that we will not tolerate it and hand out suitable punishment.

This is the problem though. People don't want someone who has been convicted of being a paedophile anywhere in the world where they have children and rightly so. I wouldn't sweat it if I impose on the rights of a paedophile for the sake of a child. You can educate and treat a paedophile as much as you want but they will always be a paedophile.

old boy · 14-11-2009 02:04PM

Dudess wrote: »

How do people "seem to forget"? They don't agree with torture? I think that's a pretty good message to send out to kids actually.

how do one get the message across to kids say under six.

MagicMarker · 14-11-2009 02:09PM

old boy wrote: »

how do one get the message across to kids say under six.

Is this a serious question?

skooby · 14-11-2009 02:14PM

there is no right answer you can give to this. everyone is going to have an opinion on this and yet for every opinion there is someone who says you are wrong. while i personally think he got off extremely lightly another person will say there is no proof that he actually harmed a child himself. no matter what punishment is thought up for a crime like this i dont think it will tackle the problem. yes very strong punishments for any crime will act as a way to stop people of sound mind committing these crimes. but you cannot get inside the minds of everyone. even in places where there is still death penalties there is still murders and rape cases. i think child abuse is right up there along with these but do we just turn around and torture one man who has viewed it a disturbing amount of times. the most upsetting thing about the whole case is that this man worked in a normal job and behind closed doors this is what he was up to. how do we know he is safe and who is not. how do you solve a problem like this in society. where do you start? where do you stop?

actuallylike · 14-11-2009 02:19PM

El Siglo wrote: »

Ever been abused by a pedophile?
Trust me when I say, it's more cruel than any punishment these creatures get. It's not a disease, calling it a disease is a cop out.

Well, it looks like you're just after payback, eye for an eye style. I know there are some child molester's out there (let it be known that this guy isn't a child molester but nobody seems to care about that) that take real pleasure out of their deeds but there are some that say they can't help it and like an addiction it should be understood and treated.

I know of some sites that show people getting beheaded so by the logic expressed by people her, the people who watch this should be tried for murder.

He doesn't seem to be a danger to our society but because of his 'indirect' actions he's funding crimes abroad, well then anyone wearing any Nike products is funding slavery in sweatshops, anyone who buys non free range food is funding animal cruelty. Help this man, don't torture him.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 14-11-2009 02:24PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

I found out a couple of months ago that a mate of mine was charged with looking a child pornography. He admitted to the charges and told my other mate (the one who told me) that it was a one-off. It since transpires that he had hundreds of images and videos on his computer. He has also been charged with the intent to distribute. It took me a while to come to terms that someone I know and had went drinking with could do something like this.

Fortunately I'm in Oz and so I don't really have to deal with it until I come home. Having said that, I'm unlikely to have anything to do with him again.

Was actually in the same position as you some time ago. Once difference was that the friend in my case was convicted of the offence a couple of years before I met him. I actually sat down and talked to him about it. Completely changed my persepctive. He discribed it as an addiction (and it does have all the trademars fo addictions, but that's beside the point and not excusing anything) It is an illness, and whatever about the punishment (and there should be punishment) but there should be treatment also. These guys are, at some point, going to back in society, like it or not and you want to make their mental state as safe as possible.

El Siglo wrote: »

So are the countless mental disorders victims of child abuse face, but you don't see the Granada Institute helping these, or indeed any kind of institute. What Arches and 1 in 4? Pedophiles get put up in the Granada Institute at the expense of the tax payer, there's a quick simple way to sort them out; beat them within an inch of their lives (make sure they're left debilitated), castrate and return to society. Because I doubt a crippled eunuch would ever think of re-offending.

Factually incorrect. The Grenada Institute is not a residential centre and patients mostly fund their own visits. Also, you don't need a penis to offend. And do we need to drag up the miscarraige of justice from the West where the grownup "victim" admitted to lying? How do you uncastrate someone? And how much is the civil case when the now-innocent party takes the country to court for removal of his testicals?

LZ5by5 wrote: »

Well then they are not mentally fit to take part in society. If this urge is so strong that they can't thing properly about the repercussions then that person is a danger to society. To give him a suspended sentence is just baffling, I would have thrown him into a mental hospital, or at the very least insist that he has regular visits with a psychiatrist.

Based on what I read about the case, I agree.

m@cc@ wrote: »

Well, you could seek help without singing it from the rooftops.

Again, agreed. The problem then is: why do they not seek help first and how do you address this problem, thus making the environment safer? Less calls for castration and lynching would probably be a start.

m@cc@ · 14-11-2009 02:25PM

actuallylike wrote: »

Well, it looks like you're just after payback, eye for an eye style. I know there are some child molester's out there (let it be known that this guy isn't a child molester but nobody seems to care about that) that take real pleasure out of their deeds but there are some that say they can't help it and like an addiction it should be understood and treated.

Anyone who pays for child pornography is paying for a child to be abused and as such is as guilty as the molester. The same way that a person paying for a murder is as guilty as the murderer.

actuallylike · 14-11-2009 03:07PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Anyone who pays for child pornography is paying for a child to be abused and as such is as guilty as the molester. The same way that a person paying for a murder is as guilty as the murderer.

On that note, I stand corrected...

...said the man in the orthopedic shoes

MagicMarker · 14-11-2009 03:15PM

m@cc@ wrote: »

Anyone who pays for child pornography is paying for a child to be abused and as such is as guilty as the molester. The same way that a person paying for a murder is as guilty as the murderer.

If you can find a case where a person paid someone specifically to abuse a certain child for their own enjoyment then I would agree with you, they are as bad as the abuser.

The accused in this case did not do that, all the pictures he did have would have been produced regardless. My point is that it's completely and utterly ridiculous to say he's as bad as the actual abuser.

If you really think this then you must also think that anyone who downloads a song, a movie, anyone who buys any kind of illegal drug, anyone who buys anything that's not free range should also be put in jail, because if you don't, you're a hypocrite.

El Siglo · 14-11-2009 04:41PM

actuallylike wrote: »

Well, it looks like you're just after payback, eye for an eye style. I know there are some child molester's out there (let it be known that this guy isn't a child molester but nobody seems to care about that) that take real pleasure out of their deeds but there are some that say they can't help it and like an addiction it should be understood and treated.

I know of some sites that show people getting beheaded so by the logic expressed by people her, the people who watch this should be tried for murder.

He doesn't seem to be a danger to our society but because of his 'indirect' actions he's funding crimes abroad, well then anyone wearing any Nike products is funding slavery in sweatshops, anyone who buys non free range food is funding animal cruelty. Help this man, don't torture him.

I love the comparison, I wish I could see things as black and white, unfortunately the reality is far from this. The fact that he paid for this material shows that he's willing to see children abused. Now comparing this to people being beheaded isn't a fair comparison, the fact that he went out of his way is bad, and who knows maybe he has abused children, has anyone looked into his travel habits, any 'weekend getaways' to Thailand?

Well, it looks like you're just after payback, eye for an eye style.

You have no fucking idea, and who the fuck are you to judge me? Imagine, you'll defend these bastards and actually try and differentiate them from the people abusing children in the images etc... they're just as bad.

some that say they can't help it and like an addiction it should be understood and treated.

What an absolute load of bollocks, addiction my hole, they're animals sub-fucking-human, and should be treated as such.

BlueLepreachaun · 14-11-2009 04:55PM

Addiction..interesting defence....

"erm..your honor...I'm addicted to robbing cash in transit vans, I cant resist the thrill of it, it's a lure that controls me...so if you think about it...I'm the real victim here...of my urges that is...so suspended sentence yeh?"

I think at this point we should draw a distinction between a reason (the urge) and an exuse.
Even if they can be treated, and I'm skeptical, very skeptical, why not hold them in custody until they are treated and therapists are 1000% satisfied they will not reoffend? rather than give them a suspended sentence?

Lets look at another group, the mentally ill, a guy kills his family, and is judged mentally incapable of knowing the diffrence between right and wrong, do they give him a suspended sentence? no, they put him in a secure mental facility for the rest of his natural life, because, though he is mentally defecent, he remains a threat to others.

Michael Seto, PhD, a clinical psychologist at the Centre for Addiction and Mental Health in Toronto, agrees. But he cautions that pedophiles can't be cured. "We're moving toward the idea that this is a stable sexual preference," he says. "It's not something that goes away — this is true of them for the rest of their lives."

So how should pedophiles be treated? Voluntarily, says Dr Studer, who doesn't believe forced programs work. "They have to say 'Yes, I have a problem'." Once they admit that, there are several treatment options, adds Dr Seto. "Cognitive behavioural therapy [CBT] teaches people skills to control their urges," he says. "There are also sex-drive reducing meds. Some psychiatrists prescribe SSRIs because there's often a link between sexual behaviour and mood. And they have the added side effect of reducing sex drive."

Police in Colorado have decided not to charge John Karr with JonBenet Ramsey's murder, but he's still under investigation in California for child porn possession. Are people who look at child porn pedophiles? Dr Seto thinks there's a good chance they might be. He published a study in the August Journal of Abnormal Psychology that concluded that child pornography offences are a good diagnostic indicator of pedophilia. Interestingly, the study found that those caught with child porn who hadn't abused children and those who did "did not significantly differ from each other, but they had significantly higher average pedophiliac indices" than the non-child porn offenders in the study.

http://www.nationalreviewofmedicine.com/issue/2006/09_15/3_patients_practice02_15.html

MagicMarker · 14-11-2009 05:05PM

BlueLepreachaun wrote: »

Lets look at another group, the mentally ill, a guy kills his family, and is judged mentally incapable of knowing the diffrence between right and wrong, do they give him a suspended sentence? no, they put him in a secure mental facility for the rest of his natural life, because, though he is mentally defecent, he remains a threat to others.

Yes, because he KILLED people. :rolleyes:

As far as we know, this guy didn't HIMSELF abuse any children and isn't thought to be a threat! There's a major flaw in your comparison there!

I'm not sure addiction is the right word to use, but pedophile is a sexual attraction to children, people can't choose who they're attracted to.

enfant terrible · 14-11-2009 05:07PM

skooby wrote: »

but do we just turn around and torture one man who has viewed it a disturbing amount of times

How about we just give him a fitting punishment for his crime like a good few years in prison

enfant terrible · 14-11-2009 05:09PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

people can't choose who they're attracted to.

But they can choose not to fund the child sex industry and should expect a serious punishment for doing so

MagicMarker · 14-11-2009 05:11PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

But they can choose not to fund the child sex industry and should expect a serious punishment for doing so

And people can choose not to buy illegal drugs, download torrents, or purchase products that are not free range or fair trade.

Newsflash, the world sucks.

Mark200 · 14-11-2009 05:20PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

But they can choose not to fund the child sex industry and should expect a serious punishment for doing so

Yes but the poster that MagicMarker was replying to made the distinction between having an urge and actually doing something very blurred.

pickarooney · 14-11-2009 05:20PM

Did someone have to go through each and every picture on his PC and rate and count the offensive ones? Imagine having that job.

enfant terrible · 14-11-2009 05:20PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

And people can choose not to buy illegal drugs, download torrents, or purchase products that are not free range or fair trade.

Newsflash, the world sucks.

What's your point exactly we shouldn't severely punish people who fund the child sex industry because other people download torrents and get away with it?

Mark200 · 14-11-2009 05:26PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

What's your point exactly we shouldn't severely punish people who fund the child sex industry because other people download torrents and get away with it?

I'm not going to attempt to speak for him but in my opinion I think the comparison is that the offence of actually buying/using/accessing illegal content is relatively minor in comparison to the people who actually produce/supply/sell it. Something I agree with.

Eg. It's a very minor crime of buying or using illegal drugs in comparison to selling them.

MagicMarker · 14-11-2009 05:27PM

enfant terrible wrote: »

What's your point exactly we shouldn't severely punish people who fund the child sex industry because other people download torrents and get away with it?

My point is highlighting people's hypocrisies.

People are treating this guy as if he were a child abuser and saying he should be punished as if he were a child abuser, when he is not in fact a child abuser.

SV · 14-11-2009 05:28PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

My point is highlighting people's hypocrisies.

People are treating this guy as if he were a child abuser and saying he should be punished as if he were a child abuser, when he is not in fact a child abuser.

Do you agree that he should be severely punished?

ronbyrne2005 · 14-11-2009 05:29PM

I read about a guy that was a normal married man and had an accident and damaged his brain and he became a raving paedo basically overnight. He didnt abused anyone and reported this straight to his doctor.

MagicMarker · 14-11-2009 05:30PM

SV wrote: »

Do you agree that he should be severely punished?

Define severely punished.

He should be closely monitored and go through intensive therapy etc. I'm not sure what prison would achieve tbh.

enfant terrible · 14-11-2009 05:34PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

My point is highlighting people's hypocrisies.

People are treating this guy as if he were a child abuser and saying he should be punished as if he were a child abuser, when he is not in fact a child abuser.

I don't think people here are hypocrite's.

I would think most people see funding the child sex industry as a very serious crime and fell there should be minimum prison sentences for such offenses.

Obviously child abusers should get as long as possible in prison like in the states where there is a minimum sentence of 25 years and a maximum of life in prison for first-time child sex offenders under Jessica's Law.

pedo gets a slap on the wrist

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