pedo gets a slap on the wrist

old boy

according to the 6 o clock news on rte1, a guy convicted of having around 16,000 pictures and videos on his pc of infants being abused got a 4 year suspended sentence, do one critisise the judge, or does one applaud his defence team, it seems he was employed by the artichureural department of cork city council, he got/took early retirement, which one must assume includes a nice little pension, what a lovely deterrent. :eek::mad:

Some under one year old.. Pretty rotten stuff..

Karl Hungus

**** the guy with child porn, jail the god damn judge who'd give out a sentence like that, he's the real danger to society.

IvySlayer

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1113/iversd.html

A 54-year-old former local authority official has received a four year suspended sentence at Cork Circuit Criminal Court for having what was described as 'some of the worst and grossly offensive' images of child abuse in his possession.


Judge Patrick Moran told David Ivers, of Rathcoursey, Midleton, who had pleaded guilty, that his reaction when he viewed some of these 13,845 images was one 'approaching horror'.


The judge said these children were very seriously violated by people benefiting financially from people like Ivers downloading these images and he did not know what long-term effects they would have on their future.




But having read the reports from the Granada Institute, Ivers own psychiatrist, and his elderly mother's GP, as well as hearing from gardaí that he did not pose a threat to the community, the judge handed down a four year suspended sentence on condition that he continue under the direction of the Granada Institute for two years and allow gardaí to visit his home when they see fit.


Investigating gardaí alerted by the owners of German website Carookee.com discovered 13,845 images of child abuse on his computer as well as 1,834 movie files.


Ivers, who was described in court as having suicidal tendencies, is the sole carer of his 84-year-old widowed mother.


Employed by Cork City Council for 30 years, he was chief technician in the Architect's Department until the case first came to light and he has since taken early retirement.

For the people who want to read it.

Castrate him I say, then he won't have sexual attraction and therefore no threat. Maybe a prison term of 10 years too.

Denerick

Ugly case...

Karl Hungus

I don't need context to give out about judges.

SV

did you hear part of his defense?
if he was put in jail his mother would be "sad and lonely" :mad: :mad:
Noone gives a shít about your mother! (apart from that gobshíte of a judge..)

fúcking bástard..hopefully karma catches up with him. sick sick cúnt.

Danbo!

Yeah shocking stuff. Got suspended because he was suicidal and was his mothers carer. So carers all over the country can now safely look at child porn with kids under the age of one, save 16,000 images and nearly 1,800 videos and get away with it if they say they're suicidal.

Horrible.

kowloon

Investigating gardaí alerted by the owners of German website Carookee.com discovered 13,845 images of child abuse on his computer as well as 1,834 movie files.

Holy ****, there must be some serious amount of child abuse behind that much material.

tuom

kowloon wrote: »

Holy ****, there must be some serious amount of child abuse behind that amount of material.

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Stomach churning stuff, has the word punishment vanished from this country, this case is about babies for gods sake oh grrrrrrrrrr how does one vent anger right now:mad:

Ulysses Gaze

I've said it before and unfortunately I'll have to say it again.

'Suspended Sentence'

The two most popular words in the Irish Justice System.

Now contrast that to the Dutch guy getting 3 years for growing a little hash in his house last week.

FFS, this is the problem with allowing Judicial Discretion.

It is in no way a consistent enough basis to build a legal system on.

Meeja Ireland

The judge handed down a four year suspended sentence on condition that he continue under the direction of the Granada Institute for two years and allow gardaí to visit his home when they see fit.

OK, they've got four years to use his house as an unofficial club-house. Call around every evening with a few cans, set up some amps and a pool table, and party till dawn. It's a hell of a deterrent, and as a bonus his mother won't be lonely any more.

Maybe that judge was wiser than he seems.

My name is URL

It's pretty sick alright but, and I know I'll be called a no good pinko for saying this, but what is it that makes AH better than a judge and the Gardai in deciding what sentence someone should get?

The Gardai said he poses no threat to the community, so what is castrating him gonna achieve?

I do think he should have got a non-suspended sentence though

Voltex

when i heard that story on the news today..my first thoughts were how fu*ked up our society has become.

At what point does one become so depraved that the qestion of total removal from society is required.....

How can a judge form a considred opinion that a 4 year suspended sentence is sufficient to protect society from a person who gets sexual gratification from looking at children as young as 12 months.

orourkeda

I'd say he'd rather have had a slap on the a*se.

GalwayKiefer

When I see sentences like this being handed out by judges a part of me becomes very suspicious of the judge to be honest.

kowloon

I know I've said it already a few posts back, but I have trouble getting my head around the amount of stuff he had. I always assumed when I read articles about pedos that it meant a few pictures or something. I always assumed it was too underground to be so widespread. 1,800+ videos is just a staggering amount for someone to collect before they were noticed.

Mrmoe

My name is URL wrote: »

It's pretty sick alright but, and I know I'll be called a no good pinko for saying this, but what is it that makes AH better than a judge and the Gardai in deciding what sentence someone should get?

A person does not need a law degree or to be trained as a police officer to determine what is right and what is wrong. Anybody reasonably balanced, caring and an intelligent person will realise that this sentence is wrong. That is the problem. The judical system is out of kilter with reality and public justice.

SoupyNorman

My name is URL wrote: »

It's pretty sick alright but, and I know I'll be called a no good pinko for saying this, but what is it that makes AH better than a judge and the Gardai in deciding what sentence someone should get?

The Gardai said he poses no threat to the community, so what is castrating him gonna achieve?

I do think he should have got a non-suspended sentence though

I gotta lean slightly this way, although I disagree that the Gardai saying he poses no threat to the community should of been taken into account but going to prision could have been an easy let off for him, a few months inside to let things blow over verses having your face broadcast on national news to ensure that the guy has a miserable existence in the community and also will hopefully have some degree of fear as he goes about his everyday life.

In cases like this, I think the person should have an extremity chopped off.

Mossy Monk

4 years jail itself would have been a joke but suspended? Madness I say.

SV

So they say he has almost no chance of reoffending..and by that give him a suspended sentence.
Isn't that in effect giving him no punishment whatsoever?

enfant terrible

We need someone pushing a Jessica's Law like Bill O' Reilly did in the states

http://www.billoreilly.com/outragefunnels

"Among the key provisions of the law are a mandatory minimum sentence of 25 years in prison[2] and lifetime electronic monitoring[3] of adults convicted of lewd or lascivious acts against a victim less than 12 years old."

We also need someone to ask these judges why they give so lenient sentences when they don't have too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFkyFVxpH3A

misstierney

IvySlayer wrote: »

Castrate him I say, then he won't have sexual attraction and therefore no threat. Maybe a prison term of 10 years too.

Unfortunately, castration does not stop the sexual desire. The urge is still there. Apparently he posed no threat anyway, but to have such vile images on his computer surely warrants a long term jail sentence?

kowloon

enfant terrible wrote: »

We need someone pushing a Jessica's Law like Bill O' Reilly did in the states

Do they have to be like Bill O'Reilly?

kowloon

misstierney wrote: »

Unfortunately, castration does not stop the sexual desire. The urge is still there. Apparently he posed no threat anyway, but to have such vile images on his computer surely warrants a long term jail sentence?

He might pose no threat, but he is a consumer of material whose production is child abuse. So he promotes child abuse, that's how I see it.

misstierney

kowloon wrote: »

He might pose no threat, but he is a consumer of material whose production is child abuse. So he promotes child abuse, that's how I see it.

I agree completely. And how long before perving on the images is no longer enough? That's why he needs to be jailed, properly punished for this.

Blazer

It's disgraceful all of the sentences that have been handed out by Irish judges in child abuse/child porn...in fact I can't think of one case where the scumbag got a deserved sentence.
Something is seriously wrong with the irish law system.:mad:

citizen_p

so what if he suicidal....we dont need people like him


lock him up i say...

its not like he seen child porn by accident...he had 14,000 videos and pictures ffs..... and some of them with kids as young as 1

iWillBeReborn

Should have gone to jail. OK so it was just images that he had nothing to do with but he encouraged it by his downloading. Technically he was not a pedo but broke the law.

Should have gone to jail IMO.

You break the law you do the time.

sagat

Should have been a slap on the wrist with his freshly removed testicles.

MagicMarker

While I disagree with what he's done. He hasn't actually abused any children himself (that we know of). So let's cool the jets here yeah?

However, he hasn't helped matters by putting money (we assume he paid for it?) into the hands that do abuse children.

I think the fact that he has to be amongst people who know exactly who he is and what he is is close to punishment enough! In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see in the news in the near future that he's taken a beating!!

MagicMarker

iWillBeReborn wrote: »

Should have gone to jail. OK so it was just images that he had nothing to do with but he encouraged it by his downloading. Technically he was not a pedo but broke the law.

Should have gone to jail IMO.

You break the law you do the time.

I assume you've never broken the law then?

DenMan

Deleted User wrote: »

Some under one year old.. Pretty rotten stuff..

What!!! :mad:

Who would take a picture of a one year old in the first place!!!

I'm very angry.

Dudess

MagicMarker wrote: »

While I disagree with what he's done. He hasn't actually abused any children himself (that we know of). So let's cool the jets here yeah?

Still though, the horror of the stories behind those images... it's more than just looking at pictures/paying for them.

Not that I'm agreeing with the pitchfork approach either though.

nlgbbbblth

As a parent of two young children I am shocked at the lightness of this sentence.

I can only surmise that the judge considers that someone who views images is "not as bad" as someone who abuses?

thebigcheese22

GalKiefer wrote: »

When I see sentences like this being handed out by judges a part of me becomes very suspicious of the judge to be honest.

What are you implying? That the judge is a paedophile as well? Coz thats just ridiculous!

appleb

Totally agree that the sentence is a joke. Think he will receive his 'sanction' by the reaction that he will hopefully get from his community. I feel sorry for his poor old mother.... her 'carer'???

Ann22

GalKiefer wrote: »

When I see sentences like this being handed out by judges a part of me becomes very suspicious of the judge to be honest.

In this case I'd imagine the 'caring for mother' excuse etc got him off but in general when I hear about ridiculously light sentences for paedos I too suspect the judges of having empathetic feelings for the accused, either that or they're masons:mad:. If no one looked at these sites there'd be no market for them...they're all guilty as sin, every last one of them.....
No normal person would let a child molester off with the sentences some get away with.

tuom

[quote=MagicMarker;

While I disagree with what he's done. He hasn't actually abused any children himself (that we know of). So let's cool the jets here yeah?

However, he hasn't helped matters by putting money (we assume he paid for it?) into the hands that do abuse children.

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Indirectly he is abusing these children and enabling the abusers to continue with the abuse , he paid to look at the images , images of babies and children sufferering "horrific abuse" Garda quote , this made me cry today

My name is URL

nlgbbbblth wrote: »

I can only surmise that the judge considers that someone who views images is "not as bad" as someone who abuses?

Surely you don't think it is as bad?

If that's the case then watching any video that contains murder would be just as bad as killing somebody

nlgbbbblth

My name is URL wrote: »

Surely you don't think it is as bad?

If that's the case then watching any video that contains murder would be just as bad as killing somebody

No, I am rational enough to not consider them one and the same.

However this sentence for viewing is extremely light and is effectively not a punishment at all.

I wonder what sentence that judge would have given to an abuser?

Victor_M

Notorious wrote: »

According to the radio some of the pictures were of babies not even one year old.

Jesus Christ! what sort of fuking animal is he, and what sort of judicial system do we have? I have 2 kids myself one is 10 months old, the guy should be castrated, or left in a room with me for a half an hour. Those pathetic excuses he gave were believed by the pathetic out of touch judge.

This country needs a complete upheaval and changing of the guard, everyone from our politicians and judges are out of touch with the reality of life in Ireland.

If he was deemed mentally stable enough to look after his mother he was mentally stable enough to know what the fuk he was downloading and fapping to.

Squiggle

I've always felt that the offence of downloading child porn should be changed to one of aiding and abeting the production of child porn - if there's no demand for it by the sickos the stuff won't be produced imo. Life in prison without parole for the producers of child porn , sentences from 20 years for the downloaders. Bad, bad cúnts the lot of them.

MagicMarker

Squiggle wrote: »

I've always felt that the offence of downloading child porn should be changed to one of aiding and abeting the production of child porn - if there's no demand for it by the sickos the stuff won't be produced imo. Life in prison without parole for the producers of child porn , sentences from 20 years for the downloaders. Bad, bad cúnts the lot of them.

I could apply the same criteria for drugs also.

I'm sure everyone agrees with me. *

*Yeah, that's called sarcasm.

Chucky the tree

Squiggle wrote: »

I've always felt that the offence of downloading child porn should be changed to one of aiding and abeting the production of child porn - if there's no demand for it by the sickos the stuff won't be produced imo. Life in prison without parole for the producers of child porn , sentences from 20 years for the downloaders. Bad, bad cúnts the lot of them.

Lets not go crazy now, if you go down that road then you'll have to start charging people who download movies and music with theft or handling stolen property.

Bandit12

This is the pathetic society we live in nowadays. What the hell was the judge thinking?

wudangclan

He funded an industry which abuses kids.
He deserves to be locked up.
That's justice ,imo.
It shouldn't come into it that he may not be a threat in future.

My name is URL

wudangclan wrote: »

He funded an industry which abuses kids.
He deserves to be locked up.
That's justice ,imo.
It shouldn't come into it that he may not be a threat in future.

I agree that he should be jailed..

I wasn't trying to say he shouldn't be, I was referring to the people saying he should be castrated and nailed to tree and peeled

old boy

can not there be set sentences for this type of schit, no wonder my folks in the u.s. are always laughing at our goverments, the nod and sly wink graft etc. it is time accountability became the norm here

aligator_am

SV wrote: »

did you hear part of his defense?
if he was put in jail his mother would be "sad and lonely" :mad: :mad:
Noone gives a shít about your mother! (apart from that gobshíte of a judge..)

fúcking bástard..hopefully karma catches up with him. sick sick cúnt.

I suspect that karma won't catch this cnut, and in my eyes it's yet another victory for the PC brigade, with irrefutable evidence like this, this "man" should simply be put to work on the chain gang (I plan to start a thread on this later, although I doubt it will get much support)

It's an insult to anyone that has ever been a victim of a paedophile to see this kind of news, and turns my stomach that our justice system will give this excuse for a human a free pass, and another free pass for all those scum bankers that landed us in the current disaster that we're in, and yet would gladly imprison some poor fecker that was guilty of shoplifting a bottle of milk

Voltex

When a Goodfellas Pizza just aint right it gets fu*ked off the line and fed to the pigs....why not the same principle apply to pedos?