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Channel4 on Sky - Blocked Programming

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  • #122
    Wallacebiy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Wallacebiy


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    Actually no, any programmes blocked on Channel 4 are not available on the +1 channel. It is purely down to broadcast rights.

    I am intrigued as to where you got this notion about a watershed from. In your eyes Friends and Everybody Loves Raymond are blocked because they are deemed too risque for morning broadcast in this country.

    No , I have watched my name is Earl on E4 + 1 after 11pm , when it was blocked on E4 before 11pm . similarly with the odd movie

    and yes , friends is to risque for broadcasting in the morning in Ireland ( not in my opinion ) it's content is deemed not to be appropriate for that time of day .
    It may be suitable at 8pm .( or was it 9pm it used to be aired)
    but it wouldn't be considered appropriate content early in the day . the channel makes the editorial call and self regulates . If anyone complains to the BCC , they make recommendations to the channel and hopefully the channell takes appropriate action . that's the system in Ireland , as far as I can make out


  • #123
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Wallacebiy wrote: »
    No , I have watched my name is Earl on E4 + 1 after 11pm , when it was blocked on E4 before 11pm . similarly with the odd movie

    and yes , friends is to risque for broadcasting in the morning in Ireland ( not in my opinion ) it's content is deemed not to be appropriate for that time of day .
    It may be suitable at 8pm .( or was it 9pm it used to be aired)
    but it wouldn't be considered appropriate content early in the day . the channel makes the editorial call and self regulates . If anyone complains to the BCC , they make recommendations to the channel and hopefully the channell takes appropriate action . that's the system in Ireland , as far as I can make out

    Friends has been broadcast at various time in Ireland from 6pm to 11pm. Friends on RTE and TV3 does not have any "offending" words removed from their broadcasts of this show e.g. Comedy Central remove Ass, Bitch, **** etc from their airings of their programmes, I have seen E4 remove scenes from their airing of Friends.

    RTE, TV3 and TG4 define "after the watershed" is after 9pm.

    If it is to do with censorship why do UPC (Chorus NTL) not removed these shows from their channels?

    I would say it has to do with satellite rights issues. C4, ITV and BBC are on freesat but that is aimed directly at a UK audience not a European one, Sky is pan-European.


  • #124
    Wallacebiy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Wallacebiy


    We'll just have to agree to disagree in our theories until some verifiable proof can be found to justify either case .






    Also I suggest you remove the tone in the last post of condesencion . It is not for you to make assumptions about what channels I watch nor make ludicrous suggestions based on those assumptions. I didn't enjoy that nor did I feel it added anything to the topic .


  • #125
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Wallacebiy wrote: »
    It may be suitable at 8pm .( or was it 9pm it used to be aired)

    The time that RTÉ chose to show Friends does not equal the time it was suited to be shown at. RTÉ showed it during primetime for high ratings and more advertising money, not because it wasn't suitable for daytime viewing. It was made by NBC. Network television in the USA can't be anymore watered down.


  • #126
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Wallacebiy wrote: »
    We'll just have to agree to disagree in our theories until some verifiable proof can be found to justify either case .

    Also I suggest you remove the tone in the last post of condesencion . It is not for you to make assumptions about what channels I watch nor make ludicrous suggestions based on those assumptions. I didn't enjoy that nor did I feel it added anything to the topic .

    TV3 tonight 6:30pm you should see a full episode of Friends. RTÉ started showing friends on Tuesday nights at 8:40 and then it moved to Monday nights at the same time until moving to 9 and eventually to 9:30. RTÉ repeated Friends between 7 and 9 at various times (The Den runs during the day) and final Channel 6 bought the rights to Friends and was showing them during the day until bought out by TV3 who moved them to 6:30 Monday to Friday.

    Indeed look at the difference between some episodes of the Simpsons on RTE and the UK channels, the UK channels have bizzare censoring policies on many of the imported shows, this can come to TV3 since they get some programmes from the UK. E.g. I spoke to someone in the BCI who said that they would have no problem with the use of the coke-cola sign on American Idol and that TV3 possibly got the blurded out shows from an ITV feed. However this shouldn't be the case for TV3 and Friends.

    Appologises for the tone, the "and again" did sound rude.

    As I said "After the watershed" is 9pm on Irish TV.


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  • #127
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Elmo wrote: »
    I spoke to someone in the BCI who said that they would have no problem with the use of the coke-cola sign on American Idol and that TV3 possibly got the blurded out shows from an ITV feed. However this shouldn't be the case for TV3 and Friends.

    I am going OT here but the blurring of Coca Cola cups on American idol must be recent because TV3 definately used to show them before.


  • #128
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    I am going OT here but the blurring of Coca Cola cups on American idol must be recent because TV3 definately used to show them before.

    I haven't watched in more recent years so they could have since stopped blurring out the Coca Cola logo from the screen. I know they are currently running an ad with a skit from It's always Sunny in Philly with the Coke logo in full.


  • #129
    mg sat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3 ✭mg sat


    Best solution is to add Ch 4 and more to "Other channels".
    Go to "Services", then press "4" and "4" again "Add channels"
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    then "select" and yellow button to mark which ones You want to add

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  • #130
    Finne1993
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Finne1993


    They already know that mate, read the whole thread


  • #131
    MrTime
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭MrTime


    New to this thread

    Re watershed

    I often wondered how "The Bill" was considered suitable for a teatime audience on RTE

    I am a fan but felt it had so many adult topics

    A lot or prostitution , gay and lesbianism, rape and more

    I know it is now moved to 1900 on RTE2 and Gabriel hasnt jumped yet

    similar topics on all the soaps on all channels

    While I am having a rant :-

    I also wonder about the acceptability of giving a parental warning before "delicate" items in news or general programming
    Surely we can expect children to be unsupervised at 6 pm in many homes


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  • #132
    Carroller16
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,606 ✭✭✭Carroller16


    Big problem with this UEFA Europa League matches are blocked by ESPN but are shown on Setanta Irl which is not FTA which means you have to subscribe to Set Irl as well


  • #133
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    ON THE WATERSHED

    I have to agree with some of what you are saying, certainly many of the topics covered on Soaps are not suitable for Children and they are certainly not for family viewing. It would be nice to see a family drama (not 7th Heaven something with some kind of realism children aren't that stupid) rather than the current crop of soap operas.



    I also wonder about the acceptability of giving a parental warning before "delicate" items in news or general programming
    Surely we can expect children to be unsupervised at 6 pm in many homes

    I am however going to have to disagree with you on this one. News is news and children do need some sence of grounded reality. Often newsreaders will start a report of by saying

    "The following report contains pictures that may not be suitable for some viewers"

    Children find the news boring but they should be aware of whats going on in the world.

    In terms of other programming RTÉ do have rating which appear at the start of each program just below their On Screen logo for 20 seconds, 3e have started to provide warning before their 8pm showings of CSI.

    RTÉ Rating system they also provide it on their online Player

    In relation to the Bill

    You wouldn't like me when I talk about The Bill :mad:


  • #134
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Carroller16 wrote: »
    Big problem with this UEFA Europa League matches are blocked by ESPN but are shown on Setanta Irl which is not FTA which means you have to subscribe to Set Irl as well

    Not if you have UPC/Magnet which give you Setanta Ireland as part of your sub.


  • #135
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Wallacebiy wrote: »
    We'll just have to agree to disagree in our theories until some verifiable proof can be found to justify either case .

    From RTÉ.ie
    Programmes with explicit sex or violence more suited to a mature audience will not merely be scheduled after the 9pm watershed but will be flagged on screen


  • #136
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Wallacebiy wrote: »
    True it has nothing to do with IFCO as they clasify films for theatrical and DVD Video release , the BCI deals with television , and while they don't strictly Licence the channels on sattellite , they do licence sky to operate in this country .

    No they dont.

    And just to confirm what other people have being telling you in this thread, only Irish stations originating in the Rep of Ireland are subject to the BCI's (now BAI's) rules. Stations originating outside the country are subject to the rules of the regulator in that country. They take into account their own viewing public's best interests.

    If you really want to know the interaction between countries read the Television without Frontiers Directive.

    Protecting content via flags, has nothing whatsoever to do with watersheds.

    I guess you will be seeing more and more of this unless you have a Sky + box. Now whats the question ? :)


  • #137
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    STB wrote: »
    If you really want to know the interaction between countries read the Television without Frontiers Directive.

    TVWF Directive is soon to be replaced by the AV directive. It states that any member states can complain to another member states' regulator in relation to content aired on any of the licensed television channels broadcasting into the receiving countries boarders. e.g. Ireland and Sweden will most likely contact OfCom in the UK about any complaints that they have about any companies trading from the UK into either country.

    But just to reconfirm Sky is licensed in the UK by OfCom and it is unlikely that the BAI could be bothered to contact them with viewer complaints.


  • #138
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Elmo wrote: »
    TVWF Directive is soon to be replaced by the AV directive. It states that any member states can complain to another member states' regulator in relation to content aired on any of the licensed television channels broadcasting into the receiving countries boarders. e.g. Ireland and Sweden will most likely contact OfCom in the UK about any complaints that they have about any companies trading from the UK into either country.

    But just to reconfirm Sky is licensed in the UK by OfCom and it is unlikely that the BAI could be bothered to contact them with viewer complaints.

    Yes Elmo, the AVMS as it is now known. Article 3 (2) – (5) sets down that there should be common minimum rules. It also states that in the event that the receiving country has tighter rules then that countyries rules apply.

    It hasnt been transposed as yet into Irish law. The BAI are currently revising their codes in order to give effect to the legal requirement to transpose the directive into Irish law and regulation.

    Hers the Consultation Document.> http://www.bai.ie/pdf/Draft%20Codes%20on%20Audiovisual%20Commercial%20Communications%20(Consultation).pdf

    I would imagine that the BAI will pursue complaints even outside their jurisdiction with their european colleagues for this very reason.


  • #139
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    STB wrote: »
    It also states that in the event that the receiving country has tighter rules then that countyries rules apply.

    It hasnt been transposed as yet into Irish law. The BAI are currently revising their codes in order to give effect to the legal requirement to transpose the directive into Irish law and regulation.

    I would imagine that the BAI will pursue complaints even outside their jurisdiction with their european colleagues for this very reason.

    I thought it just said that Sweden could complain about Children's advertising on ViaSat TV3 but that OfCom rule remain. IMO it is just a little rule that doesn't do much good.

    I can't imagine any Irish Regulator actually regulating :) Look at how they have handle the regulations surrounding TV3's The Apprentice and TV3 News @ 6:30.


  • #140
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    The BAI are only in since October. Give em a chance Elmo.

    Some of the new stuff in the AVMS relating to the cooperation between regulators.

    Two-step safeguard for receiving countries (Article 3 (2) – (5))
    if a country objects to the content in a foreign television broadcast which is wholly or mostly directed to it, it can use a consultation procedure (cooperation procedure) to address the country of origin. The latter shall then issue a non-binding request for the broadcaster to comply with the stricter rules of the targeted country.
    if the broadcaster circumvents these national rules, the objecting country can also - with the Commission's prior approval – take binding measures (circumvention procedure).

    Jurisdiction for satellite broadcasts (Article 2) When a broadcaster based outside the EU uses a satellite up-link in an EU country, that country will have jurisdiction. Only when there is no up-link in the EU, does the EU country whose satellite capacity is used gain jurisdiction. This reverses the criteria defining jurisdiction under the old rules.

    Independent regulators (Article 23b)The new rules recognise both the existence and the role of national independent regulators. To ensure the correct application of the Directive, these regulators must cooperate closely both among themselves and with the Commission, notably on issues of jurisdiction.

    Protecting children from adult content (Article 3h)Content which might seriously impair children’s development may be made available only in ways that ensure children will not normally have access – e.g. with access codes or other means.


  • #141
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    STB wrote: »
    The BAI are only in since October. Give em a chance Elmo.

    The Broadcasting Authority of Ireland is made up of the same managers and staff as the Broadcasting Commission of Ireland and the Broadcasting Complaints Commission. Only only change will be their new board headed up by Bob Collins. The only difference is that the BCI now regulates RTÉ and TG4. The BCC has control over all complaints made to it for all broadcasters including RTÉ and TG4.
    if a country objects to the content in a foreign television broadcast which is wholly or mostly directed to it

    I don't think the advertising opt outs count.


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  • #142
    actuallylike
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭actuallylike


    Hi, don't know if it's been said already but found a way to view Channel 4 programs on your sky box that are normally blocked (Frasier, Friends, some films, etc.). Just go to Film 4 and go to text, it's not perfect but you still get to see what's on.


  • #143
    John mac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,166 ✭✭✭John mac


    actuallylike wrote: »
    Hi, don't know if it's been said already but found a way to view Channel 4 programs on your sky box that are normally blocked (Frasier, Friends, some films, etc.). Just go to Film 4 and go to text, it's not perfect but you still get to see what's on.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055520627
    add ch 4 to other channels





    .


  • #144
    cardol
    Closed Accounts Posts: 436 ✭✭cardol


    PacMan wrote: »
    I still have the channel 4 plus 1 testes stored in my "Other Channels" and guess what... No programmes are blocked...
    Me thinks someone forgot to push the button for us folks here in the Republic.

    I've just added the frequencies to my Other Channels and both CH4 and CH4+ are not blocked :D


  • #145
    Cherrycola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Cherrycola


    cardol wrote: »
    I've just added the frequencies to my Other Channels and both CH4 and CH4+ are not blocked :D

    Why do they bother to block some Ch4 programmes on the EPG when we can view it in Other Channels?!
    Doesnt make sense. :confused:


  • #146
    Ian Beale
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭Ian Beale


    Cherrycola wrote: »
    Why do they bother to block some Ch4 programmes on the EPG when we can view it in Other Channels?!
    Doesnt make sense. :confused:
    Yup it's pointless but they have to do it, if a person decides to tune in another channel that broadcasts C4 well so be it that's their choice ;)


  • #147
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Cherrycola wrote: »
    Why do they bother to block some Ch4 programmes on the EPG when we can view it in Other Channels?!
    Doesnt make sense. :confused:

    Rights Issues C4 is available FTA but sky pay for C4 to be part of its EPG in ROI as part of the Bonus pack with BBC.


  • #148
    channelsurfer2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,681 ✭✭✭channelsurfer2


    seems tv3 are very protective of their rights.. (glee etc) whereas rte dont really enforce it... gas the way glee is available on E4 not blocked though..


  • #149
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    seems tv3 are very protective of their rights.. (glee etc) whereas rte dont really enforce it... gas the way glee is available on E4 not blocked though..

    E4 was setup as a channel for both Ireland and the United Kingdom though.


  • #150
    Cherrycola
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,378 ✭✭✭Cherrycola


    channelsurfer2 wrote: »
    seems tv3 are very protective of their rights.. (glee etc) whereas rte dont really enforce it... gas the way glee is available on E4 not blocked though..

    Is TV3 the reason why we dont get ITV 1/2/3/4 on the irish epg?


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  • #151
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Minstrel27 wrote: »
    E4 was setup as a channel for both Ireland and the United Kingdom though.

    I would question if it really was set up as an Irish/UK licence, realistically Channel 4 may suggest in their app to OfCom that they will also broadcast into Ireland but the same can be said of Irish channels setting up with the BAI they may state that they will broadcast to the GB or NI.

    Is TV3 the reason why we dont get ITV 1/2/3/4 on the irish epg?

    It is down to weather Sky or UPC pay carriage rights to ITV. UPC had carriage rights for UTV only while Sky never had carriage rights for any ITV channel. Sky would have to pay ITV for their channels to be available on Sky Ireland.

    TV3 may have had a contract with their former owners (ITV) not to promote ITV channels in ROI.

    But I would say it is more to do with Sky's protection than TV3's, that C4 and BBC have programming blocked and that ITV aren't on the EPG. Keep viewers watching Sky TV or at the very most Pay TV.

    I am surprised that if Glee is blocked that RTÉ don't insist that BBC 1 blocks EastEnders.


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