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Channel4 on Sky - Blocked Programming

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  • #92
    patrick whitty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭patrick whitty


    bartley160 wrote: »
    can anyone tell me how to get itv1,2,3,4 etc on the other channels button. i know they can be got but only if you know the correct numbers to tune to. living in rep of ire. cheers
    itv110758v22000
    itv2 same
    itv4 same
    itv3 10906v 22000
    itv3+1 same
    patrick


  • #93
    Aidric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,591 ✭✭✭✭Aidric


    Sitting down to watch Kingdom of Heaven on C4 tonight and lo and behold error code 08, 'this programme not available', complete annoyance. I wasn't aware that certain programmes get scrambled for Irish viewers.


  • #94
    97i9y3941
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,616 ✭✭✭97i9y3941


    yup i remember it happened before with the sopranos on more 4,they where showing the last season before rte2 had it,but blocked it out over here


  • #95
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Does this still happen. I don't have sky but if an Irish customer was to stop paying their subscription I assumed the would lose any Pay TV including the 5 Irish channels available on Sky, but would retain the UK FTA services including the C4 set of channels, would the shows be unencrypted at that stage?

    Also could RTÉ not provide RTÉ 1 and 2 via Sat while blocking their international shows. I know RTÉ 2 would be very bare but it seems like the most sensible option rather than a new service. Or perhaps RTÉ 2 could be come RTÉ NEWS Now when it isn't on the air for users of satellite.

    Perhaps I am taking this off topic. How much do RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 assume this would cost if they where to do it?


  • #96
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Fred83 wrote: »
    yup i remember it happened before with the sopranos on more 4,they where showing the last season before rte2 had it,but blocked it out over here

    I don't think MORE 4 had it before RTÉ 2. I remember them showing it a couple of months after RTÉ 2, perhaps that was C4.


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  • #97
    Pat Gleeson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Pat Gleeson


    Elmo wrote: »
    but would retain the UK FTA services including the C4 set of channels, would the shows be unencrypted at that stage?

    The BBC channels remain if you unsubscribe to Sky, the C4 ones don't. Of course you can tune in these channels to the 'Other Channels' section of the Sky Guide, and they appear. It's only channels on the EPG that blocking happens AFAIK.
    Before Setanta, the BBC prevented viewing of SPL matches FTA by simply not showing the matches at all at satellite, instead having a caption displayed giving details of where the SPL could be seen (i.e. analogue, DTT, cable).


  • #98
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Pat Gleeson wrote: »
    The UK FTA services on the Sky Ireland EPG are BBC 1 / 2 and the C4 channels. The BBC channels remain if you unsubcribe to Sky, the C4 ones don't.

    Can you not get them, since they are FTA via Satellite? or do the sky boxes not work in that way?

    Are the ITV channels available on the Sky Ireland EPG?


  • #99
    Our man in Havana
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    No they are not.

    If you plug out your sky box and remove the card and turn it back on you will have the UK EPG with BBC, ITV, C4 and C5.


  • #100
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Bond-007 wrote: »
    No they are not.

    If you plug out your sky box and remove the card and turn it back on you will have the UK EPG with BBC, ITV, C4 and C5.

    So just to ask one more question (as a non-sky user, and TBH can't see me ever getting sky or sat at this stage). If I want to watch an episode of ER that is blocked on C4 with my Sky Ireland Card, all I need do is to plug out the box, remove my card and plug the box back in??????


  • #101
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Yes and do not insert the card.

    It would be far easier to tune in the unblocked version and add it as an other channel.


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  • #102
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I assume that Sky Ireland are paid by RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 to do this blocking it seems like a waste of time and money when you can pick the channels up for free and UPC don't do it.

    Again and I know this goes of the topic and back into the whole idea of RTÉ international but how much would it cost RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 to provide their services via satellite around the Europe while blocking their imported shows.


  • #103
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Elmo wrote: »
    I assume that Sky Ireland are paid by RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 to do this blocking it seems like a waste of time and money when you can pick the channels up for free and UPC don't do it.

    I agree it is a pointless exercise as you mention UPC etc don't block programs and you can easily tune in the unblocked FTA version.


  • #104
    kramor3k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 ✭kramor3k


    Found a strange error by accident. Saw that My name Is Earl was blocked on C4 so I went flicking. Got as far as Film4 and when I pressed the text button and teletext came on the picture carried the text PLUS the C4 broadcast of Earl that was blocked on C4 so I watched it there with sound. O.K so it wasn't full screen but still enjoyed it.............

    Very odd and a quick tip for anyone who doesn't have an additional C4 programmed on 'Other Channels':)


  • #105
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    kramor3k wrote: »
    Found a strange error by accident. Saw that My name Is Earl was blocked on C4 so I went flicking. Got as far as Film4 and when I pressed the text button and teletext came on the picture carried the text PLUS the C4 broadcast of Earl that was blocked on C4 so I watched it there with sound. O.K so it wasn't full screen but still enjoyed it.............

    Very odd and a quick tip for anyone who doesn't have an additional C4 programmed on 'Other Channels':)

    Strange that C4 block "My Name Is Earl". What season is 3e on? I didn't think they had caught up so much.


  • #106
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Elmo wrote: »
    I assume that Sky Ireland are paid by RTÉ, TV3 and TG4 to do this blocking it seems like a waste of time and money when you can pick the channels up for free and UPC don't do it.

    Satellite rights are not the same as the rights channels like Channel 4 have on cable.

    no harm that My Name Is Earl is blocked anyway for it is ****.


  • #107
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    Satellite rights are not the same as the rights channels like Channel 4 have on cable.

    no harm that My Name Is Earl is blocked anyway for it is ****.

    So it is blocked on FreeSat or FTA Satellite?


  • #108
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    It is blocked to Irish Sky subscribers.


  • #109
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Elmo wrote: »
    So it is blocked on FreeSat or FTA Satellite?

    No but as Sky Digital is aimed at Ireland the version of Channel 4 used on Sky Digital in Ireland is encrypted. The FTA version is not on Sky. Freesat is not marketed in Ireland either.


  • #110
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    No but as Sky Digital is aimed at Ireland the version of Channel 4 used on Sky Digital in Ireland is encrypted. The FTA version is not on Sky. Freesat is not marketed in Ireland either.

    What a waste of time and space.


  • #111
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Elmo wrote: »
    What a waste of time and space.

    What is a waste of time and space?


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  • #112
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    I think he means an encrypted ROI C4 feed for Irish Sky subscribers.


  • #113
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    If it wasn't there then there would be no Channel 4 on the Irish EPG. Better a service which only seems to censor crap programmes anyway than nothing especially if you are a Sky + user.


  • #114
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Mossy Monk wrote: »
    If it wasn't there then there would be no Channel 4 on the Irish EPG. Better a service which only seems to censor crap programmes anyway than nothing especially if you are a Sky + user.

    You would think E4 had programmes had some worth. As I don't have sky it doesn't effect me. It still seems like a waste of time, I guess C4 get something from sky for this.


  • #115
    Wallacebiy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Wallacebiy


    Looking at this thread , I'm amazed people would think that this is a licencing issue ,

    It's very obvious that this is a Watershed issue ,
    Some content is deemed unsuitable for airing in Ireland before the 11pm water shed , or the 9pm watershed .
    The watershed times are obviously slightly different in the UK , or the criteria different , hence these programmes are available on the +1 channel .



    Should take it up with the irish censorship office .


  • #116
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    This has nothing to do with the IFCO.

    This is purely down to programme rights.


  • #117
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Wallacebiy wrote: »
    Looking at this thread , I'm amazed people would think that this is a licencing issue ,

    It's very obvious that this is a Watershed issue ,

    Some content is deemed unsuitable for airing in Ireland before the 11pm water shed , or the 9pm watershed .

    The watershed times are obviously slightly different in the UK , or the criteria different , hence these programmes are available on the +1 channel .

    Should take it up with the irish censorship office .

    The Irish Regulator has no control over watershed which is 9pm in most countries including Ireland. If it was the IFCO (Irish Film Classifications Office) that ruled on the watershed UPC (Chorus NTL) would be required to censor their programmes also.

    RTÉ has never had a policy of editing films due to content, UK channels are regulated in their regard by OfCom, particularly ITV whom seem to cut everything. Ever watch Die Hard on ITV?

    I beleive that 3e show My Name is Earl at around 8pm. It wouldn't be worth censoring.


  • #118
    Wallacebiy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 178 ✭✭Wallacebiy


    Bond-007 wrote: »
    This has nothing to do with the IFCO

    This is purely down to programme rights.

    True it has nothing to do with IFCO as they clasify films for theatrical and DVD Video release , the BCI deals with television , and while they don't strictly Licence the channels on sattellite , they do licence sky to operate in this country .



    Elmo wrote: »
    The Irish Regulator has no control over watershed which is 9pm in most countries including Ireland. If it was the IFCO (Irish Film Classifications Office) that ruled on the watershed UPC (Chorus NTL) would be required to censor their programmes also.

    RTÉ has never had a policy of editing films due to content, UK channels are regulated in their regard by OfCom, particularly ITV whom seem to cut everything. Ever watch Die Hard on ITV?

    I beleive that 3e show My Name is Earl at around 8pm. It wouldn't be worth censoring.


    We're Not really talking about the editing of a show , and the watershed is a guideline time in Ireland . All content broadcast is to be appropriate for the time it is aired at , with due consideration for the show before it etc.


    All it would take is for one person to complain to either the BCI or Ofcom about the shows content , and if the complaint was upheld then the broadcaster would perhaps take the decision to not air that programme before 11 pm in Ireland . It also happens with some feature films , which get blocked until the +1 channel shows them . It seems unique to channel 4 as far as I can see so I can only assume that it is channel 4 who've taken the decision,

    If it were a rights issue , it would also affect the +1 channel and any other means of viewing , and it would also affect programmes screened at some other time of the day , but is is always the programmes that air just before 11pm


  • #119
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,472 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    You don't complain to the BCI, you complain to the BCC on a specified ground.


  • #120
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    The BCC (Brodcasting Complaint comission) www.bcc.ie take complaints from the public for all of the BCI licence channels and RTE (BCI and BCC will now become the BAI with the RTE Authority).

    Once the complaint is made the BCC sent it to the broadcaster, the broadcaster responced to the complaint and the BCC make a judgement. If they rule against the broadcaster, the broadcaster is asked to make an appology on Air during the time when the offending material aired.

    9pm is the watershed and programmes after 9 are generally rated for an adult audience. RTÉ implemented a classifications system a few years ago: -

    MA = Mature Audience
    GA = General Audience
    ETC.

    Irish broadcasters in their responce to complaints from to the BCC will always mention that the offending material was broadcast after 9pm or after the Watershed. Irish Broadcasters do not take complaints from OfCom rather OfCom can ask the BCI to investigate and visaversa.

    E.g. BCI may have issues with Buzz TV and would make those issues known to OfCom.

    Ireland isn't that much of a prude.


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  • #121
    Mossy Monk
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28,128 ✭✭✭✭Mossy Monk


    Wallacebiy wrote: »
    It's very obvious that this is a Watershed issue ,
    Some content is deemed unsuitable for airing in Ireland before the 11pm water shed , or the 9pm watershed .
    The watershed times are obviously slightly different in the UK , or the criteria different , hence these programmes are available on the +1 channel .

    Actually no, any programmes blocked on Channel 4 are not available on the +1 channel. It is purely down to broadcast rights.

    I am intrigued as to where you got this notion about a watershed from. In your eyes Friends and Everybody Loves Raymond are blocked because they are deemed too risque for morning broadcast in this country.


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