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At least eight people have been shot in an Orlando, Florida

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  • #32
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Cunny-Funt wrote: »
    we're talking about nut jobs going on shooting sprees.
    No if we were talking about that, this would be in the Psychology or Expand your Horizons forum and we'd actually be tackling the question. Instead a news article has been tacked up for posters to draw mustaches onto.

    Killing sprees are not tied to one incident or one country. Why should we revolve the issue around one incident in one place?

    If you wish to really discuss that matter start a new Thread and I'd gladly join you.


  • #33
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,038 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    i would say its the heat


  • #34
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    i would say its the heat
    Well I wouldnt deny the Humidity down in Florida is unbearable to the point of crazy sometimes id like to think its something more substantial than that. Florida is a hot spot (-pun) for gun violence. And hatecrime for that matter. I sincerely doubt its any one factor though im sure the top 3 are Education, Economy and Gun Control. But then guns arent always a factor. I've been 2 friend/family connections apart from a guy who got himself and his cat beat to death by his landlord - using a claw hammer. Write that down in the top 50 of Worst Ways to Go.


  • #35
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,541 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    i would say its the heat

    the heat?? it was 26c in orlando today, thats the same as tenerife

    when i was in orlando last year in april twice the temperatures went into the mid teens and cloudy (twas great because nobody was riding the water rides in universal, no queues :p)


  • #36
    Overheal
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    the heat?? it was 78.8 in orlando today, thats the same as tenerife

    when i was in orlando last year in april twice the temperatures went into the 60s and cloudy (twas great because nobody was riding the water rides in universal, no queues :p)
    FYP.

    You see, you're going in April. And November. Try August and get back to me.


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  • #37
    TheZohanS
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Overheal wrote: »
    FYP.

    You see, you're going in April. And November. Try August and get back to me.


    78.8? I don't speak spanish!


  • #38
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,541 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    Overheal wrote: »
    FYP.

    You see, you're going in April. And November. Try August and get back to me.

    been there in july too, i don't find orlando too bad heat wise, its a city like vegas equipped to deal with heat with airconditioning in even the crappiest motels and those water sprayers everywhere and of course pools, now 100 degrees+ in somewhere like san francisco or paris (where i was on the hottest day in both cities history june 2000 and august 2003) is a freaking nightmare


  • #39
    mikom
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    mikom wrote: »
    Too busy making cuckoo clocks and qualifying for soccer tournaments at our expense to have time for shooting sprees.
    nipplenuts wrote: »
    Cuckoo clocks are from The Black Forest in Germany.
    mikom wrote: »
    I was referencing "The Third Man".
    nipplenuts wrote: »
    Which is set in Austria.................:confused:

    Here, I'll get rid of that :confused: for you.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dv1QDlWbS8g


    Come back next week for part two..... where we discuss the movie Leprechaun containing a mythical Irish character, but is set in the USA.
    .
    .


  • #40
    poisonated
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,284 ✭✭✭poisonated


    Cunny-Funt wrote: »
    Theres a reason the GTA games are based in the US, .


    There is GTA London.

    Orlando is a really nice place.I think one thing that is really sad about this is that Orlando is supposed to be a kids paradise and then this happens.I hope it wasn't near Disney world and that no kids saw it happen.


  • #41
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    rossie1977 wrote: »
    been there in july too, i don't find orlando too bad heat wise, its a city like vegas equipped to deal with heat with airconditioning in even the crappiest motels and those water sprayers everywhere and of course pools, now 100 degrees+ in somewhere like san francisco or paris (where i was on the hottest day in both cities history june 2000 and august 2003) is a freaking nightmare
    Yeah but away from Splash Mountain and The Hulk did you actually walk very long down a city street?


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  • #42
    bigeasyeah
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    Overheal wrote: »
    Yeah but away from Splash Mountain and The Hulk did you actually walk very long down a city street?

    I did during a summer there-it was fine.The only thing I murdered was a cold bottle of beer.


  • #43
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Alright then,

    Guns
    Knives
    Claw Hammers
    Education
    Weather
    Funny Hats
    Border Control
    Walt Disney


    Next!


  • #44
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    A little perspective is needed also...

    Canadian Population - 33,000,000
    American Population - 300,000,000

    But yes I do agree this never happens in Canada! :)

    :confused:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89cole_Polytechnique_massacre
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dawson_College_shooting
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concordia_University_massacre
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OC_Transpo#April_6_1999:_Deadly_rampage
    Swiss army guns would be so much cooler!

    Like this?

    http://www.lilligren.com/Redneck/images/redneck_swiss_army_gun.jpg

    Actually, I own a SIG rifle. Very nice firearm.

    NTM


  • #45
    Overheal
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    Dont forget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

    Actually reading some of these articles is really depressing me. Im done here.


  • #46
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Overheal wrote: »
    Dont forget http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_massacre

    Actually reading some of these articles is really depressing me. Im done here.

    Not Canada.


  • #47
    Overheal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Not Canada.
    oh I thought we were doing the European thing again. wrong thread.


  • #48
    Captain Furball
    Closed Accounts Posts: 909 ✭✭✭Captain Furball


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    ..... and again!!

    Breaking on CNN.

    http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/06/orlando.shootings/index.html

    Orlando, Florida (CNN) -- At least seven people with serious gunshot wounds were brought out of an Orlando, Florida, office building Friday, a spokeswoman with the city fire department said.
    A gunman was at large after firefighters and police responded to the report of a shooting at a high-rise building, said John Tormos of the Orlando Fire Department.

    A spokesman for the Orange County Sheriff's Office, which is helping the city police department, said investigators are looking for a man wearing a blue Polo shirt, gray vest and blue jeans.
    "We're in a search mode for the gunman," said Jim Solomons, a spokesman for the sheriff's office.
    Are you there? Send your stories, photos and videos

    CNN affiliate WESH said the shooting occurred at the Gateway Center -- a 16-story building near Lake Ivanhoe and Interstate 4.
    The interstate was closed in both directions near the office building, according to the Florida Department of Transportation Web site.

    How many carbon credits is that?


  • #49
    Cunny-Funt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,748 ✭✭✭Cunny-Funt


    poisonated wrote: »
    There is GTA London.

    Which was forgettable.

    & lol @ the americans trawling through the internet trying to find shootings in Europe as if it some how the alters the fact that this is a massive massive problem in America. I mean this is the 2nd one THIS WEEK in the US, "Zomg look, one happened in Scotland 13 years, so its okay...we're not any worse then anyone else... now excuse me while I go play with my guns."


  • #50
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Cunny-Funt wrote: »
    & lol @ the americans trawling through the internet trying to find shootings in Europe as if it some how the alters the fact that this is a massive massive problem in America. I mean this is the 2nd one THIS WEEK in the US, "Zomg look, one happened in Scotland 13 years, so its okay...we're not any worse then anyone else... now excuse me while I go play with my guns."

    With the one exception of Dunblane (countered by the one exception of Colombine), all my examples were post-2000. For the record, I didn't need to trawl the Internet for the incidents, I tend to keep abreast of such things. If you are unaware of such incidents in Europe, that's your problem. Everyone's heard of Virginia Tech. How many people have heard of Erfurt? It's not a new problem, it goes back years at least to the start of modern media in the 1960s. Again, I think it's a perception issue. The name 'Charles Whitman' is one which rings bells amongst many people, even if they don't know why. But we've all seen footage from U-Texas, Austin 1966 on the History Channel of people scrambling for cover out of line of fire of the bell tower. Nobody was around to film Seifert (and yes, even I had to look up his name) when he used his flamethrower to kill eight children, one teacher, and stabbed a second to death in a Cologne elementary school in 1964. Probably a large reason almost nobody's heard of the incident even though, in modern terms, both are about the same age and, frankly, I think the German one was far more brutal.

    You may be correct that the US has a problem of people who snap and kill at random. If so, it is a problem which is shared by Europe, Canada, and probably a bunch of other countries we never hear about.

    Now, excuse me, while I go play with my guns. At least I acknowledge the issue.

    NTM


  • #51
    Nodin
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    This was one guy, subsequently caught.......Barely a peep of reportage in Europe by comparison....
    Six members of a single family were found stabbed to death in a partially burned-out apartment in Rishon Lezion on Saturday morning, in a multiple homicide that has left the country reeling from the scope and brutality of the murders.
    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1255694827197&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull

    Bad people do bad things, usually with whats to hand....blaming the tool is a bit of a dead end.


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  • #52
    Manic Moran
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    Nodin wrote: »
    Bad people do bad things, usually with whats to hand....blaming the tool is a bit of a dead end.

    He didn't kill anyone with it (not for lack of trying), but my personal favourite rampaging tool is admittedly American: The Granby Killdozer.

    NTM


  • #53
    rossie1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,541 ✭✭✭✭rossie1977


    poisonated wrote: »
    Orlando is a really nice place.I think one thing that is really sad about this is that Orlando is supposed to be a kids paradise and then this happens.I hope it wasn't near Disney world and that no kids saw it happen.

    it wasn't even in the same county as disney world, downtown orlando is on a different planet :eek: some 25 miles from disney. disney is not actually in orlando at all, its in the town of Lake Buena Vista, the other theme parks in "orlando" like seaworld, universal, wet and wild etc are 15 miles south of the city and 10 miles north of disney all in or close to an area called international drive


  • #54
    utick
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    Nodin wrote: »
    This was one guy, subsequently caught.......Barely a peep of reportage in Europe by comparison....

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1255694827197&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull

    Bad people do bad things, usually with whats to hand....blaming the tool is a bit of a dead end.

    but at least he didn't shoot anyone


  • #55
    Overheal
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    rossie1977 wrote: »
    it wasn't even in the same county as disney world, downtown orlando is on a different planet :eek: some 25 miles from disney. disney is not actually in orlando at all, its in the town of Lake Buena Vista, the other theme parks in "orlando" like seaworld, universal, wet and wild etc are 15 miles south of the city and 10 miles north of disney all in or close to an area called international drive
    yeah but the interstate is zippy, you barely notice that :D when youre going 80mph whats 10 minutes?
    & lol @ the americans trawling through the internet trying to find shootings in Europe as if it some how the alters the fact that this is a massive massive problem in America.

    and yet nobody here - and I mean nobody - ever posts any stories about Irish or European violence. Nobody ever tackles the question here "Whats wrong with us?" Its always "Oh look at them. They're bad. But we're ok. glug glug."


  • #56
    jonsnow
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    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    besides, half of them are French and know how to run away quickly at the sound of gunfire.

    unlike the heroic anglo-canadians who would run towards the sound of gunfire.:rolleyes:


  • #57
    Manic Moran
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    and yet nobody here - and I mean nobody - ever posts any stories about Irish or European violence. Nobody ever tackles the question here "Whats wrong with us?" Its always "Oh look at them. They're bad. But we're ok. glug glug."

    In all fairness, that's not entirely accurate. There was a three-page thread on Winnenden. But it's instructive to look at the content of the threads.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055510186

    Though this comment puts the frame of reference firmly (and is echoed by others).
    Fully expected this from America but not from Germany.

    Similarly, another three-pager showed up after Jokela.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055178886
    Comments lay the blame firmly on the individual shooter, not on some concept of Finnish society as a whole.

    Kauhajoki brought up a more respectable five pages.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055383775

    It took all of four posts to bring up the America reference. Otherwise, really just a lot of satirical comments about blaming Counter-Strike/GTA/Youtube. Otherwise, nothing about any particular issues with Finnish society or culture. In fact, more jokes than pontification. (Though Overheal might like the last post on the thread)

    Dawson College garnered a three-pager.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054991472
    No comments about America or Canadian culture, instead, the focus is on Heavy Metal music.

    Though not a shooting incident, the Dendermonde creche killings garnered a respectable four pages.
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055469793
    Bunch of comments about how they never thought it could happen in Belgium.

    Again. Perception. The triumph of optomism and personal belief (or prejudice) over reality.

    NTM


  • #58
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,205 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    Whatever has happened in Europe or the rest of the world doesn't change the fact that it is a major problem in the US. My friend done his thesis on spree shootings last year and i only read it a few weeks ago. And i read a huge amount of spree shootings in the US that don't make the media here. It only seems to be the big ones that hit the Irish media. He cited loads of 2 and 3 shot or killed in offices, schools, shopping centers, etc. And they were even hard to find on the internet. And some of the place names were just as weird as Finnish towns. In comparison i would say there is way more spree shootings in the US than Europe. But who cares. It's not like it's a fecking competetion. It's a problem and the ease of access to guns doesn't help. Not that it's the cause as there are plenty of people who own guns and don't shoot anyone.


  • #59
    Overheal
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    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    Whatever has happened in Europe or the rest of the world doesn't change the fact that it is a major problem in the US.
    Thats not the point im trying to argue. Of course the US has its own mounting problems. But there you go again putting it back on the US dismissing any self-responsibility of Europe.

    While we're on the subject im reminded of this Thriller of a thread.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055327321

    It never makes it to Post 3 before someone is pointing the Burden of Responsibility squarely on American Culture. About 200 posts later though we do get the full police report and 911 call audio which clearly indicated the Irishman in this scenario was indeed at fault here and clearly out of his senses. Though admittedly that thread went on a lot more intelligently than most, and we actually discussed the individuals in the case, not just guns this and Columbine that.


  • #60
    Manic Moran
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,908 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Neamhshuntasach wrote: »
    Whatever has happened in Europe or the rest of the world doesn't change the fact that it is a major problem in the US.

    This is a valid statement which I do not argue. What I, and I presume Overheal, objects to is the apparent continued disbelief that this is a problem which is applicable to countries other than the US as well.
    My friend done his thesis on spree shootings last year and i only read it a few weeks ago.

    So what was his conclusion?
    It only seems to be the big ones that hit the Irish media. He cited loads of 2 and 3 shot or killed in offices, schools, shopping centers, etc. And they were even hard to find on the internet.

    This is true, but you also have such incidents in Europe which also don't make the mass media, for the same reasons. (Lack of a large kill tally, mainly) The shooting at Athens school this year is a case in point. Certainly doesn't seem to have garnered any attention on Boards. The only reason I heard about it is that I'm half Greek with relatives in Athens.
    i would say there is way more spree shootings in the US than Europe.

    Most likely. But I'm not as convinced that there aren't as many spree killings. USians tend to use firearms because they're handy. Europeans tend to be more creative. I can't recall any flamethrower spree killings in the US offhand.

    NTM


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  • #61
    Overheal
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    You could also interpret Terrorism under the same heading in which case Bus Bombings are terribly common worldwide, are they not?

    After all the only thing that separated the Trenchoat Mafia from Al Qaeda was Motive. Both shared or still share an affinity for Pipebombs.


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