Racing Post Money Printing Thread - Mod note post 1572

Fineform · 04-11-2009 05:06PM

POINTBREAK wrote: »

OK Bubs. First.I dont understand though. Are you saying that the complaint was in regard to me keeping a record of how their tips performed?

Second, I do follow the market specifically for those bets. Mike and others, who post here came up with a way of working out the tips from the timing of the market moves and that is exactly what I do. If you dont follow racing you wouldnt understand how it works, but its simply cause and effect. The tip causes the market to make that tip the best backed horse of the day in most cases because of the volume of subcribers who back it. There are other factors, but that is basically it.

Third
By the time I post my record the information is already in the public domain since it it published by racing relay in a different formatand in much greater detail. Each time the RacingPost tips a winner it is also published by them.

I'll keep it simple - there is absolutely no reason why you shouldn't keep a record of these bets. The complaint wouldn't have been generated by that.

POINTBREAK · 04-11-2009 05:16PM

Yes Fineform, I agree with you, but the Moderator removed my record, so its only fair that I wait on a ruling from him.

Seanohea · 04-11-2009 06:52PM

There should be no problem with posting a record, sure the racing post advertise when a winner comes in and they also advertise in the paper how they are in profit every month. In a sense we're just also advertising how good pricwise extra is as well.
I can understand the copyright issue of a subscription service, but i cant see any problem with this.

Seanohea · 04-11-2009 06:56PM

If anyone from the racing post is reading this, which they probably are, could you give Tom Segal a few more days on pricewise extra and any chance of giving mel collier only 1 day if any at all.

POINTBREAK · 04-11-2009 07:04PM

Seanohea wrote: »

If anyone from the racing post is reading this, which they probably are, could you give Tom Segal a few more days on pricewise extra and any chance of giving mel collier only 1 day if any at all.

Amen to that. Or Andrew Barr.

Bubs101 · 04-11-2009 08:28PM

POINTBREAK wrote: »

OK Bubs. First.I dont understand though. Are you saying that the complaint was in regard to me keeping a record of how their tips performed?

Second, I do follow the market specifically for those bets. Mike and others, who post here came up with a way of working out the tips from the timing of the market moves and that is exactly what I do. If you dont follow racing you wouldnt understand how it works, but its simply cause and effect. The tip causes the market to make that tip the best backed horse of the day in most cases because of the volume of subcribers who back it. There are other factors, but that is basically it.

Third
By the time I post my record the information is already in the public domain since it it published by racing relay in a different formatand in much greater detail. Each time the RacingPost tips a winner it is also published by them.

It looked like you were copying and pasting that from the Racing Post site. I'm not a member so I don't know what's there and it was never specified what exactly the problem was just that there was one so I'm not sure what's being copied and pasted and what isn't and a post with a colour scheme and P/L records of Racing Posts analysts aroused suspicion. But if someone who does subscribe can confirm that it wasn't copied and pasted I'll allow it in future. I'm just airing on the side of caution

Fineform · 04-11-2009 10:30PM

POINTBREAK wrote: »

Amen to that. Or Andrew Barr.

Talking of Andrew Barr: he has offered up Fathsta (14.20 Lingfield tomorrow) in his Weekender column for the Racing Post. Has run a couple of stinkers but is well in on his best form and is with a new trainer. Handily drawn in stall 3 too.

Currently @14-1 with Stan James and 10s with Bet365. Both of these prices look big.

markhiggins · 04-11-2009 10:32PM

i have suscribed and have been a culprit in copying and pasting the selections as they come up on the racing post website. I am sure that this is the reason why they might be complaining about copyright infringement etc. there is no record of winners/losers on the RP website and I cannot see any reason why a record of results and profits could not be posted up here. The RP is very open with its statistics and do not charge for this information. The copying and pasting as seen in some of my posts will stop but I think the records that are being kept should be re introduced.

POINTBREAK · 04-11-2009 10:35PM

Thanks for the reply Bubs, its not cut and pasted from the Racing Post site. Its just something I started doing about 2 months ago when I decided to track the results. I was wondering why you had mentioned the colours, but now its pretty clear.
The names of the tipsters are public domain as is the information regarding what days they each give tips. The racing results are public domain and are reported in the racing press. The only thing that the Post dont like is that it is possible to deduce their tip from watching the market and I would say that their complaint was one of copyright because of the information that was cut and pasted.

qc3 · 04-11-2009 10:42PM

Fineform wrote: »

Talking of Andrew Barr: he has offered up Fathsta (14.20 Lingfield tomorrow) in his Weekender column for the Racing Post. Has run a couple of stinkers but is well in on his best form and is with a new trainer. Handily drawn in stall 3 too.

Currently @14-1 with Stan James and 10s with Bet365. Both of these prices look big.

Timeform 1-2-3:
1. Fathsta (IRE) 2. Ravi River (IRE) 3. Autumn Blades (IRE)

Timeform View:
A change of scenery could be the catalyst for Fathsta to return to form, and he is undeniably well treated on his best. Ravi River should go well once more, while the quirky Autumn Blades can continue to amass place money.

POINTBREAK · 04-11-2009 10:47PM

4th November PRICEWISE EXTRA
Monday - Friday
3 losers
2 Winners
Andrew Barr 2-2 (5/1-7/2) (3/1-5/2)
Mel Collier 0-1
Matt Williams 0-0
Profit at advised Stakes PLUS 6
Profit at SP.................. PLUS 4
Present Sequence _____11000

POINTBREAK · 04-11-2009 10:49PM

qc3 wrote: »

Timeform 1-2-3:
1. Fathsta (IRE) 2. Ravi River (IRE) 3. Autumn Blades (IRE)

Timeform View:
A change of scenery could be the catalyst for Fathsta to return to form, and he is undeniably well treated on his best. Ravi River should go well once more, while the quirky Autumn Blades can continue to amass place money.

I wonder do they ever give the same tip on PWE. That could be a tempting one to lay to bet.

POINTBREAK · 04-11-2009 10:54PM

4th November Update (after 2 midweek tips)
Tom Segal Pricewise Column
2 losers (TS)
0 winners
Present Sequence 6 in (Oct) 2 in Nov 8 Losers

[EMAIL="Profit/Loss@SP................-2"]P[/email]rofit/Loss@SP................-2
[EMAIL="Profit/Loss@AdvisedPrice"]Profit/Loss@AdvisedPrice[/EMAIL] -2

mike65 · 05-11-2009 01:04PM

2.40 Six Day War 5/1
2.50 Al Eile 10/1

markhiggins · 05-11-2009 01:04PM

afternoon gentlemen, if i were you id look at al eile in the 2 50 in leopards town, a 10-1 shot, he won it in 2004 and 2006 has done ok in heavy ground

also i like six day war at twocester in the 2 40 , runs well fresh and the yard is flying, a friend of mine mel is very keen on him! 6-1 early tissue

POINTBREAK · 05-11-2009 01:39PM

Fineform wrote: »

Talking of Andrew Barr: he has offered up Fathsta (14.20 Lingfield tomorrow) in his Weekender column for the Racing Post. Has run a couple of stinkers but is well in on his best form and is with a new trainer. Handily drawn in stall 3 too.

Currently @14-1 with Stan James and 10s with Bet365. Both of these prices look big.

GOOD CALL, CURRENTLY 8/1

HoopsOnTour1888 · 05-11-2009 02:22PM

Hi im new to the board and would just like to say thanks for the info:) ,i have read back threads and some of you take the time to share great info so i will be checking back everyday now

... if i asked a question on b/f forum all i would get is scrounger do this do that but i can see this is so much better and alot of nice people

happy punting all .

Devastator · 05-11-2009 02:27PM

HoopsOnTour1888 wrote: »

Hi im new to the board and would just like to say thanks for the info:) ,i have read back threads and some of you take the time to share great info so i will be checking back everyday now ... if i asked a question on b/f forum all i would get is scrounger do this do that but i can see this is so much better and alot of nice people happy punting all .

welcome and good luck

qc3 · 05-11-2009 02:42PM

HoopsOnTour1888 wrote: »

Hi im new to the board and would just like to say thanks for the info:) ,i have read back threads and some of you take the time to share great info so i will be checking back everyday now ... if i asked a question on b/f forum all i would get is scrounger do this do that but i can see this is so much better and alot of nice people happy punting all .

Mike will give you the paypal account number when he's on.
all donations welcome.:D:D:D

Fineform · 05-11-2009 04:19PM

POINTBREAK wrote: »

GOOD CALL, CURRENTLY 8/1

Ran well but got tired in the final furlong. Heavily backed too down to 5-1 at the off which made it a value if not winning bet. Def one to look out for next time!

POINTBREAK · 05-11-2009 05:03PM

5th November PRICEWISE EXTRA
Monday - Friday
5 losers
2 Winners
Andrew Barr 2-2 (5/1-7/2) (3/1-5/2)
Mel Collier 0-3
Matt Williams 0-0
Profit at advised Stakes PLUS 4
Profit at SP.................. PLUS 2
Present Sequence _____1100000

POINTBREAK · 06-11-2009 12:30PM

I thought Tom might have had an opinion on the Breeders Cup races tonight, but sadly nothing in the paper. The Pricewise column today on the US racing is by
NICHOLAS GODFREY.

essexman · 06-11-2009 12:54PM

Good old Nicholas. Who is he ? sounds like their solicitor !!

mike65 · 06-11-2009 01:01PM

Fontwell 1.10 Aldertune 7/2.

I'll give this one a swerve.

POINTBREAK · 06-11-2009 01:15PM

essexman wrote: »

Good old Nicholas. Who is he ? sounds like their solicitor !!

lol

POINTBREAK · 06-11-2009 01:18PM

11:33am

On the exchanges

A fairly busy morning on the exchanges, with the following catching the eye.
1.10
Aldertune 5 in to 4.2

markhiggins · 06-11-2009 01:28PM

im sure you have all figured out what my tip is going to be today...he should have plenty of stamina in him and the three pound claimer harry skelton is a good booking. not much of a race but that said the big yards are represented. we know that the ground will suit aldertune and that fitness should not be a problem.

POINTBREAK · 06-11-2009 01:37PM

I cant see any reason not to back it. Its odd though that there is only 10k matched on betfair at 11/4 - 5/2 while there is 2116 bets with the bookies acording to the RP.

markhiggins · 06-11-2009 01:39PM

it was 3 to 1 general this morning aswell so its not as if the prices have been slahed to much

POINTBREAK · 06-11-2009 02:11PM

ffs!!! 5/1 drifter

making headway when it slipped up according to the text commentary................. how do the layers know?

Just watched the replay on ATR and it looked like he was going as well as any when he was brought down......

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