Vigilantism

Itsdacraic · 30-10-2009 12:40AM

You can't go carrying on like that. It wouldn't be right for you and your mates to go out and grab that little scumbag and batter him black and blue until he is crying for his mammy. Wouldn't be right at all. The gardai and laws are there for a reason.

dsmythy · 30-10-2009 12:45AM

Depends on the situation. Go out and detain the young pup briefly. Confiscate his bangers and whatever other fireworks he may have then let him go on his way unharmed.

DoireNod · 30-10-2009 12:50AM

mega man wrote: »

a couple of kids got the **** kicked out of them today while playing with fireworks.
it turns out it was a group of vigilantes who did it.

Do you have a link? Maybe it was a group of people who were getting fireworks and such like thrown at them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 30-10-2009 12:51AM

Riddle101 wrote: »

I like the idea of bringing military schools in, however it still has flaws. One being that even if a kid is sent to military school will it really have much affect if the kid's parents turn out to be crappy parents who don't give a damn about punishing them, or worse even encouraging them. Once the kids get back on the street the parents may very well turn all the discipline around and they'll be back to no good again.

The point here is that the schools are miles away from the parents, preferrably where the kids can't access public transport. I worked on a Danish one on an island in the North Sea connected to the mainland by a six mile bridge. The little ****ers stopped running away when the realsied just how long that bridge was and how far away Copenhagen was. They did get home for occasional weekends, but these had to be earnt,

dsmythy wrote: »

Depends on the situation. Go out and detain the young pup briefly. Confiscate his bangers and whatever other fireworks he may have then let him go on his way unharmed.

.... and comes bac with a small bag of big brothers and baseball bats.

My name is URL · 30-10-2009 12:52AM

I only used the fireworks as an example of what's happening every day all over Ireland, little whelps with no respect for consequence.. they've learned that there won't be any, there's nobody to press charges against them other that the DPP, and they don't bother pressing charges most of the time

It's not about violence either, it wouldn't be tolerated at all. You can't fight crime with crime

It's about communal intollerance to crime, nobody wants to live in area that has high crime rates.

Dartz mentioned the Guardian Angels, that's a perfect example of what is needed.. a trained and trustworthy group of people who are willing to train others in how to deal with anti-social behaviour.

DoireNod · 30-10-2009 12:53AM

dsmythy wrote: »

Depends on the situation. Go out and detain the young pup briefly. Confiscate his bangers and whatever other fireworks he may have then let him go on his way unharmed.

You forgot the part where you have to let the fireworks off then in a public display of triumph.

Ruu_Old · 30-10-2009 12:58AM

Only if I can bring my friend, Wildey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAzZ91FAnxU

The_Minister · 30-10-2009 01:03AM

Fo Real wrote: »

As usual progress in this country is stifled by the whining PC minority. Plenty of cities have vigilante groups
eg. vigilantes kept the New York subway safe in the 80's and 90's before Giuliani cleaned up the place;

Community groups keep the thieving roma gypsys off the streets in Naples and Rome;

Dublin communities even drove the scummy drug dealers from their neighburhoods in the 80's.

OP if you decide to deliver justice I'm sure your local community will support you 100%

I saw that in Berlin.

In front of the Brandenbug Gate, the gypsies and Roma hang out and beg in huge numbers. They shout at you, and hassle you and refuse to go away. They try and pick your pocket, and if you pull out a camera, they all gather around, hoping to find you distracted.

I had to be very harsh to get them to go away, and even then they kept coming back, they just wouldn't leave me alone.

Eventually, this middle-aged German man steps between them and me, says something to the gypsie who is currently bugging me in a very harsh tone, and points to a few other German men. She ran.

I was very grateful to him, and if he and his mates do beat those vermin every now and again, then I find it hard to feel sorry.

Those of you who read my posts know I normally wouldn't feel like that, but the Roma in Berlin are downright intimidating and are pests.

orourkeda · 30-10-2009 02:38AM

Say hello to my little friend

http://web.mit.edu/mukherji/www/bazooka.jpg

Doc · 30-10-2009 02:48AM

I honestly think the only result in Ireland to this would be the vigilantes being arrested. I think the people who originally did wrong would get away with it and the Gards would go after the easy targets.

If you could find out exactly who they are and get people to film them in the act of committing the crimes or something like that then actually persuade the Gards to act on the video evidence then that would be good but difficult.

dsmythy · 30-10-2009 02:52AM

Doc wrote: »

I honestly think the only result in Ireland to this would be the vigilantes being arrested. I think the people who originally did wrong would get away with it and the Gards would go after the easy targets.

If you could find out exactly who they are and get people to film them in the act of committing the crimes or something like that then actually persuade the Gards to act on the video evidence then that would be good but difficult.

Cycle continues unfortunately. The gang find out who is doing the videotaping and the victimisation begins again after the Gardaí inevitably release them.

Doc · 30-10-2009 03:01AM

dsmythy wrote: »

Cycle continues unfortunately. The gang find out who is doing the videotaping and the victimisation begins again after the Gardaí inevitably release them.

See that’s the thing if you had like 20 people doing it instead of just 1 or 2 then you would not have them victimizing the people doing it as the number is too high to make it practical.

Gonzales · 30-10-2009 03:57AM

Terry wrote: »

Banned.

FFS. Can we have a conversation here that doesn't end up with someone suggesting that we all bring out hurls and go on a witch hunt?

Oh yeah. Right.
Sorry. I forgot for a second.

Anyway, still banned for advocating violence and for that post being really idiotic.

He didn't suggest taking out hurls or anything of the sort. In the context of a thread called "vigilantism" I feel his post was well placed.

Crumble Froo · 30-10-2009 09:11AM

hehe, this is a hot topic in my locality at the moment after this story made it all over the papers last week...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2999197/Right-wing-vigilantes-on-patrol-in-Christchurch

my favourite line is..

The group was a white pride group as opposed to white power, he said. "We're not about going around bashing up Polynesians or Asians."

If a European youth was found vandalising property: "We'd probably say `Hey, what are you doing? That's not really the white way'."

amacachi · 30-10-2009 11:25AM

Organised vigilantism can never be supported or condoned publicly, however I'd guess most people wouldn't be against carrying it out themselves. When all else has failed sometimes it is the only method, but having it organised etc. just leads to far more problems in the long run.

stovelid · 30-10-2009 11:36AM

Always in two-minds about it.

When I was growing up, the community action thing was in fashion - whether just the normal variant or your Sinners Residents Against Drugs or whatever.

I do support the right of communities to spontaneously punish /banish people that are fucking over their own community on a regular basis.

A lot of the hand-wringing about this comes from people who have no experience of living in areas where certain people/families can exercise a reign of terror with impunity.

That said, I'm very wary of organized vigilantism, which I've also seen in my time. Where a bunch of thugs pose around estates and dish out 'arbitrary justice' using their own criteria.

brummytom · 30-10-2009 11:38AM

My name is URL wrote: »

To be fair, it wouldn't mean battering anyone or been battered.

It's a show of solidarity by a community that won't tolerate crime, more than anything.

The more people that supported it, the bigger the reason for skangers not to commit petty crimes.

So like a neighbourhood watch?

NothingMan · 30-10-2009 11:40AM

Simple, just call in Charels Bronson!

doubtfir3 · 30-10-2009 11:51AM

My name is URL wrote: »

To be fair, it wouldn't mean battering anyone or been battered.

It's a show of solidarity by a community that won't tolerate crime, more than anything.

The more people that supported it, the bigger the reason for skangers not to commit petty crimes.

I have to say I do understand the ethos of this.. Take for example the case illustrated in the recent film "Finding Eric"...

Normal everyday guy who generally lives his life and minds his own business, tries to prevent a thug from intimidating his son and his family... thug operates "above the law" and basically terrorises the guy..

All of his friends go to this guys house for a "chat".. OK, so it can be said that they were violent in the guys house, but the end result was that a show of solidarity from a group of people stopped the harassment.

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I'm not in favour of random beatings, punishments or violence as such, but have to say that I would be 100% in favour of communities coming out in force against the minority of scumbags who are interfering with their enjoyment of their lives, communities and houses.

The system doesn't cater for it, does nothing to prevent it and there is no move to change the system so I believe that it is up to a community to take action.

Of course, the exact problem lies in the fact that nobody wants to be a part of the group who will stand up to these scumbags.. but we will all "support them".. from a safe distance.

ToxicPaddy · 30-10-2009 01:29PM

doubtfir3 wrote: »

I have to say I do understand the ethos of this.. Take for example the case illustrated in the recent film "Finding Eric"...

Normal everyday guy who generally lives his life and minds his own business, tries to prevent a thug from intimidating his son and his family... thug operates "above the law" and basically terrorises the guy..

All of his friends go to this guys house for a "chat".. OK, so it can be said that they were violent in the guys house, but the end result was that a show of solidarity from a group of people stopped the harassment.

I really liked this film and the idea of what they did was a very good idea.. granted breaking up his car and house would be classed as vandalism so thats
one area that wouldnt be a good idea.. but a group of friends showing they cant be intimidated would definitely work for most scumbags..

There are times when I see some scumbags who deserve a good kicking, but the difference between us and them is we dont resort to violence to get our own way..

Crossing that line is a very bad idea and as I'm sure has happened in the past, once someone does it, they start to continue doing it as it gets the results or so they think until they do it to the wrong guy and then the proverbial sh*t hits the fan..

Community watch systems etc are a good idea, most dont actually patrol, they just keep an eye out for suspicious activity and let others in the area know about it, then inform the Gardai..

Tox

doubtfir3 · 30-10-2009 02:07PM

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

There are times when I see some scumbags who deserve a good kicking, but the difference between us and them is we dont resort to violence to get our own way..

To give a recent example of my own experiences...

I was standing at the top of the street and watched my girlfriend's son walking up the path alone towards the house.
A slightly older child walked across the street towards him, and I knew exactly what he was going to do so started walking down the street towards him.
The older child proceed to give a "dig" to my gf's son at I roared at him and walked down and asked him what he was at, offered to rearrange his entrails etc..
He stood there and basically said "go on, do it so"....
Cue temperature rising from me, and I basically told him I'd deck him 12 years old or not if I saw him do it again.

And walked away.

Now, I know that the correct here would have been to roar at him, bring my gf's son away and to drag the toe-rag who hit him up to his house and speak to his parents but the reality is that his parents just don't care.

Where is the solution in that? Society just doesn't protect ordinary people, but rather protects the likes of this mini scumbag in the making.

ToxicPaddy wrote: »

they just keep an eye out for suspicious activity and let others in the area know about it, then inform the Gardai..

The exact problem is that the gardai do nothing about these things... even if they do, its merely a chat with the parents then the child is back on the street in 10 mins with a vengeance.

The reality of the situation is that the scumbags have almost more protection through the law than we do.

Scumbag hits me and gets before a judge with a fine, warning or a 2 minute sentance which is never served because our prisons are overcrowded.

I hit him because he provokes me to such an extent (hits my child, hits my car, damages my property etc) and I'm dragged before a judge, have to pay compensation to the scumbag in order to avoid a sentence because it would otherwise damage my reputation, affect my job etc etc etc..

On the other hand, said vigilantes who could stand up to these scumbags would be perfect.. not violence necessarilly, but more a statement from people that they're not putting up with crap or intimidation any more.

But, it will never happen.

Scumbags will always win, until zero-tolerance is implemented.

Best thing of all... take an idea from that prison in the US.. dress the scumbags up in pink jumpsuits and make them clean up their graffitti, clean up their empty beer cans from our parks, get them to clean up brush from roadways and open spaces.

Essentially, teach them how to work for a living.

AckwelFoley · 30-10-2009 02:28PM

no, blame the government

We need the government to plough in more funds into these communities on top of the social welfare and additional benefits they already receive.

Simple rule in in a civilised society.

The biggest cnut you are the more the government pays to appease you.

Decent law abiding taxpayers end up paying for it.

Look at all the free housing given to these ****ers and then the houses are burnt out... yea, we just build them more.

****ing sickens me

Long Onion · 30-10-2009 02:29PM

I was in a small town in Mayo yesterday and a group of the local hoodie brigade were hanging around under an archway throwing eggs at passers by, I was walking past in my suit and kinda figured I was a natural target, sure enough as I was getting closer I could hear the rising excitement. I just stopped and shouted to them that if an egg came near me, I would cross the road and smack one of them.

I didn't really care that there were 6 or 7 of them, I refuse point blank to be bullied by a pack of thugs. I guess they figured that there were easier targets 'cause egged I did not get.*

* Terry disclaimer - no young hooligans were injured in the making of this post. The author is not responsible for any attributions of endorsing violence that may be made towards this post. The author does not condone violence but believes that the mere suggestion that people are not willing to be hapless victims is often enough to disuade idiots from acting idiotically. Past altracataions are not a reliable guide to future altracations. My anger at being bullied may go up and down. Tempers and mental contitions may apply.

bigeasyeah · 30-10-2009 02:32PM

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.

Long Onion · 30-10-2009 02:36PM

bigeasyeah wrote: »

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.

Many Irish Gardai have fire guards in their homes. Does this qualify?

bigeasyeah · 30-10-2009 02:40PM

Long Onion wrote: »

Many Irish Gardai have fire guards in their homes. Does this qualify?

What a stupid and unfunny thing to write.Really thats terrible.

whitetigerkungf · 30-10-2009 02:41PM

its time scumbags learned they cant do what ever the fcuk they like and get away with. to contact he gards is a waste of time, they'r to busy dealing with real crimes like cyclng on the footpath and no tomato sauce on they're snack box. Im do not encourage violence but what else do these cnuts understand. Irish people spend to much time whining and do nothing about it. wether its little scumbags beating someone up for no reason or a government robbing us blind. And just because someone has had enough of people with over 100 convictions still causing problems for ordinary people, r randomly destroying your property that you worked hard for does not make you a facist as some would suggest

Gang of Gin · 30-10-2009 02:49PM

The_Minister wrote: »

I saw that in Berlin.

In front of the Brandenbug Gate, the gypsies and Roma hang out and beg in huge numbers. They shout at you, and hassle you and refuse to go away. They try and pick your pocket, and if you pull out a camera, they all gather around, hoping to find you distracted.

I had to be very harsh to get them to go away, and even then they kept coming back, they just wouldn't leave me alone.

Eventually, this middle-aged German man steps between them and me, says something to the gypsie who is currently bugging me in a very harsh tone, and points to a few other German men. She ran.

I was very grateful to him, and if he and his mates do beat those vermin every now and again, then I find it hard to feel sorry.

Those of you who read my posts know I normally wouldn't feel like that, but the Roma in Berlin are downright intimidating and are pests.

You shouldn't be promoting violence:)

manofthemoment · 30-10-2009 03:09PM

The notion of vigilantism is a bit scary because you can just see it being abused and falling into the wrong hands. But we do seem to live in a time where decent folk are completely powerless and emasculated. And as one poster noted it's not just kids running wild it is the attitude of their parents who won't see their kids corrected or sanctioned in any way. Talk to any school teacher and they will tell you about parents who once their kid steps out of line the teacher and the school are at fault and not the kid.

But look at this:
http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/1030/morrowj.html

How could somebody with 80 convictions for anything be loose on the streets? Seriously, if you have 80 parking tickets you should be locked up becuase it shows you have a total disregard for society.

livingtargets · 30-10-2009 03:09PM

whitetigerkungf wrote: »

... And just because someone has had enough of people with over 100 convictions still causing problems for ordinary people, r randomly destroying your property that you worked hard for does not make you a facist as some would suggest

???
Who suggested that it would?

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