Vigilantism

My name is URL

There's a couple of skangers in my village throwing bangers at cars from the roadside, their not even bothered by the fact that people can see them doing it

I know the Gardai will send a car out if it's reported but they'll be gone by that time, and it's not the first time these little fcukers would have been reported either.. but what's ever done about it?

I know that at least one of the guys has robbed houses since he was about 12 and is more than well known to the Gardai, he's never been jailed.. what's the point in our justice system!?

Remember back in the mid-90's there was the community watch initiative? The sticker was like this.. what ever happened to that?

If there was a task-force set up in your community would you be willing to volunteer your time to help out?

Midnight_EG

Hunting rifle, tazer and a few smoke grenades ok?

Davidius

The Citizen etc.

Now that's out of the way, yes, I would like to be Batman.

segaBOY

My name is URL wrote: »

There's a couple of skangers in my village throwing bangers at cars from the roadside, their not even bothered by the fact that people can see them doing it

I know the Gardai will send a car out if it's reported but they'll be gone by that time, and it's not the first time these little fcukers would have been reported either.. but what's ever done about it?

I know that at least one of the guys has robbed houses since he was about 12 and is more than well known to the Gardai, he's never been jailed.. what's the point in our justice system!?

Remember back in the mid-90's there was the community watch initiative? The sticker was like this.. what ever happened to that?

If there was a task-force set up in your community would you be willing to volunteer your time to help out?

When I think vigilantism I think of guys going about with a baseball bat and teaching these guys a lesson-not a community watch initiative?

But point taken.

My name is URL

Midnight_EG wrote: »

Hunting rifle, tazer and a few smoke grenades ok?

Sure, I have a brand new sack of doorknobs I want to try out =p

admiralofthefleet

boil eggs, throw them at said skangers. sorted

Terry

Usual warning about advocating violence.
Don't do it.
Doing so will result in a ban and don't start whining to me if I do ban you for it in this thread.

K-Ren

I press R3 every now and again.

Takk

Kent: I see. Well, what do you say to the accusation that your group
has been causing more crimes than it's been preventing?

Homer: I]amused[/I Oh, Kent, I'd be lying if I said my men weren't
committing crimes.

Kent: I]pause[/I Well, touche'.

.

Midnight_EG

My name is URL wrote: »

Sure, I have a brand new sack of doorknobs I want to try out =p

Do you usually carry knobs around?

jimoc

just throw a stink bomb on the spot where they usually stand every time you pass.
Not violent, but effective.

brummytom

Would I join?

No, because I'm a pussy.
But I'd support a vigilante group.. some people are just beyond the police

Dartz

I say we build a wall around them parts of town... post guard towers and machinegun bunkers to gun down esvapees.

Throw in guns.

Let the problem solve itself.

And maybe film the solution for a global reality TV audience.

PCPhoto

people are afraid to report criminals (even the baby criminals - like the OP posted about) ......for fear of reprocussions.

we all know the justice system doesnt work in this country - even yesterday a judge in the childrens court stated that "Roma" children are being raised to commit robbery..... it was also mentioned in court that "its part of their culture"

I personally find this amusing - why do we as a nation bend over and take it proverbally when people from other nations break our rules/laws.

I have actually had this discussion earlier today with a colleague - in his opinion this country needs military schools, in general kids today dont understand the meaning of the word "No" and have very little respect and even less discipline....the country and indeed society in general is saturated with political correctness and Civil Rights activists....if people dont behave like a civil human how can they expect to be treated like one.(my opinion)

as for the original post - not a whole lot you can do about the kids - I would be in favour of a neighbourhood watch initiative - but people today dont know their neighbours.

My name is URL

brummytom wrote: »

Would I join?

No, because I'm a pussy.
But I'd support a vigilante group.. some people are just beyond the police

To be fair, it wouldn't mean battering anyone or been battered.

It's a show of solidarity by a community that won't tolerate crime, more than anything.

The more people that supported it, the bigger the reason for skangers not to commit petty crimes.

Fo Real

As usual progress in this country is stifled by the whining PC minority. Plenty of cities have vigilante groups
eg. vigilantes kept the New York subway safe in the 80's and 90's before Giuliani cleaned up the place;

Community groups keep the thieving roma gypsys off the streets in Naples and Rome;

Dublin communities even drove the scummy drug dealers from their neighburhoods in the 80's.

OP if you decide to deliver justice I'm sure your local community will support you 100%

Riddle101

PCPhoto wrote: »

people are afraid to report criminals (even the baby criminals - like the OP posted about) ......for fear of reprocussions.

we all know the justice system doesnt work in this country - even yesterday a judge in the childrens court stated that "Roma" children are being raised to commit robbery..... it was also mentioned in court that "its part of their culture"

I personally find this amusing - why do we as a nation bend over and take it proverbally when people from other nations break our rules/laws.

I have actually had this discussion earlier today with a colleague - in his opinion this country needs military schools, in general kids today dont understand the meaning of the word "No" and have very little respect and even less discipline....the country and indeed society in general is saturated with political correctness and Civil Rights activists....if people dont behave like a civil human how can they expect to be treated like one.(my opinion)

as for the original post - not a whole lot you can do about the kids - I would be in favour of a neighbourhood watch initiative - but people today dont know their neighbours.

I like the idea of bringing military schools in, however it still has flaws. One being that even if a kid is sent to military school will it really have much affect if the kid's parents turn out to be crappy parents who don't give a damn about punishing them, or worse even encouraging them. Once the kids get back on the street the parents may very well turn all the discipline around and they'll be back to no good again.

As for having some form of neighbourhood watch. I would support it, not in the vigilantee type of way, but just a more solidarity type of way. Didn't they do something like this in Rathfarnham to get rid of the drug or something?

Long story short, it's the parent's fault and the only way to punish the children is to punish the parents.

Terry

Fo Real wrote: »

As usual progress in this country is stifled by the whining PC minority. Plenty of cities have vigilante groups
eg. vigilantes kept the New York subway safe in the 80's and 90's before Giuliani cleaned up the place;

Community groups keep the thieving roma gypsys off the streets in Naples and Rome;

Dublin communities even drove the scummy drug dealers from their neighburhoods in the 80's.

OP if you decide to deliver justice I'm sure your local community will support you 100%

Banned.

FFS. Can we have a conversation here that doesn't end up with someone suggesting that we all bring out hurls and go on a witch hunt?

Oh yeah. Right.
Sorry. I forgot for a second.

Anyway, still banned for advocating violence and for that post being really idiotic.

sunnyjim

Where did he promote violence?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Chassed a few fcukers out of my area last night, letting off bangers and screamers in our complex at about 2am. Took my belt with the huge buckle and wrapped it around my hand, caught them both, to my surprice they were in their mid 20's. Told them if I seen them again I would smash their faces in. They walked away, I followed them for about half a mile... tossers. Hard men until somebody bigger confronts them

Terry

sunnyjim wrote: »

Where did he promote violence?

It was implied, especially in the last sentence.

Take it to the help desk.

smoochie06

My name is URL wrote: »

There's a couple of skangers in my village throwing bangers at cars from the roadside, their not even bothered by the fact that people can see them doing it

I know the Gardai will send a car out if it's reported but they'll be gone by that time, and it's not the first time these little fcukers would have been reported either.. but what's ever done about it?

I know that at least one of the guys has robbed houses since he was about 12 and is more than well known to the Gardai, he's never been jailed.. what's the point in our justice system!?

Remember back in the mid-90's there was the community watch initiative? The sticker was like this.. what ever happened to that?

If there was a task-force set up in your community would you be willing to volunteer your time to help out?

Yes i would volunteer my time but would it really make a difference considering you said that they are'nt even bothered who sees them. You have to blame the parents for not dealing with them. I know if i was robbing houses when i was 12 i would have got a good hiding off my father and that would be the end of that.

Ziggurat

Remember that case in England of the paediatrician being attacked because the idiots didn't realise paediatrician and paedophile are two different things?

Vigilantism at its finest.

Gummy Panda

We need.. The Equalizer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uB1NiNKwueE

thomond2006

Vigilantism FTW

Seriously though, somebody needs to take some action.

Like brummytom, I'd be too pussy to do this myself but I would support it.

Problem is eventually innocent people/children (:eek:) would get caught in the middle of it.

Even so, the Irish are losing Ireland.

Midnight_EG

From here on, brummytom will be known as the pussy of boards.ie

Cadiz

Fo Real wrote: »

Community groups keep the thieving roma gypsys off the streets in Naples and Rome;

Do you mean those guys in Naples and Rome the ones who dress up in uniforms to patrol? They're not community groups, they're lawless neofascists.

And since when is thieving confined to the Roma or any other grouping? It's an activity prevalent across cultures.

PCPhoto

Riddle101 wrote: »

I like the idea of bringing military schools in, however it still has flaws. One being that even if a kid is sent to military school will it really have much affect if the kid's parents turn out to be crappy parents who don't give a damn about punishing them, or worse even encouraging them. Once the kids get back on the street the parents may very well turn all the discipline around and they'll be back to no good again.

As for having some form of neighbourhood watch. I would support it, not in the vigilantee type of way, but just a more solidarity type of way. Didn't they do something like this in Rathfarnham to get rid of the drug or something?

Long story short, it's the parent's fault and the only way to punish the children is to punish the parents.

if I had my way habitual criminal families would not be allowed to have kids - but thats another point.

yes the parents are partially to blame for these kids (and their lack of respect/discipline) .... but you can be pretty confident to say that most of these kids are from families where one or both parents abuses alcohol and/or has criminal convictions (in the past as a youth or in recent years) - yes this is a sweeping statement but I'm open to someone doing the research and correcting me.

DoireNod

I love how people are in favour of vigilantism and then they condemn people who engage in vigilantism. Have to appreciate the irony.

mega man

a couple of kids got the **** kicked out of them today while playing with fireworks.
it turns out it was a group of vigilantes who did it.

Dartz

Terry wrote: »

It was implied, especially in the last sentence.

Take it to the help desk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels

The Guardian Angels is a non-profit, international, volunteer organization of unarmed citizen crime patrollers. The Guardian Angels organization was founded February 13, 1979 in New York City by Curtis Sliwa and has chapters in 13 countries (in 140 cities) around the world[1].
Sliwa originally created the organization to combat widespread violence and crime on the New York City subways. The organization originally trained members to make citizen’s arrests for violent crimes. The organization patrols the streets and neighborhoods but also provides education programs and workshops for schools and businesses.

I think this is the crowd he might've been thinking of.



"Vigilanté's" don't have to be violent after all.

Itsdacraic

You can't go carrying on like that. It wouldn't be right for you and your mates to go out and grab that little scumbag and batter him black and blue until he is crying for his mammy. Wouldn't be right at all. The gardai and laws are there for a reason.

dsmythy

Depends on the situation. Go out and detain the young pup briefly. Confiscate his bangers and whatever other fireworks he may have then let him go on his way unharmed.

DoireNod

mega man wrote: »

a couple of kids got the **** kicked out of them today while playing with fireworks.
it turns out it was a group of vigilantes who did it.

Do you have a link? Maybe it was a group of people who were getting fireworks and such like thrown at them.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Riddle101 wrote: »

I like the idea of bringing military schools in, however it still has flaws. One being that even if a kid is sent to military school will it really have much affect if the kid's parents turn out to be crappy parents who don't give a damn about punishing them, or worse even encouraging them. Once the kids get back on the street the parents may very well turn all the discipline around and they'll be back to no good again.

The point here is that the schools are miles away from the parents, preferrably where the kids can't access public transport. I worked on a Danish one on an island in the North Sea connected to the mainland by a six mile bridge. The little ****ers stopped running away when the realsied just how long that bridge was and how far away Copenhagen was. They did get home for occasional weekends, but these had to be earnt,

dsmythy wrote: »

Depends on the situation. Go out and detain the young pup briefly. Confiscate his bangers and whatever other fireworks he may have then let him go on his way unharmed.

.... and comes bac with a small bag of big brothers and baseball bats.

My name is URL

I only used the fireworks as an example of what's happening every day all over Ireland, little whelps with no respect for consequence.. they've learned that there won't be any, there's nobody to press charges against them other that the DPP, and they don't bother pressing charges most of the time

It's not about violence either, it wouldn't be tolerated at all. You can't fight crime with crime

It's about communal intollerance to crime, nobody wants to live in area that has high crime rates.

Dartz mentioned the Guardian Angels, that's a perfect example of what is needed.. a trained and trustworthy group of people who are willing to train others in how to deal with anti-social behaviour.

DoireNod

dsmythy wrote: »

Depends on the situation. Go out and detain the young pup briefly. Confiscate his bangers and whatever other fireworks he may have then let him go on his way unharmed.

You forgot the part where you have to let the fireworks off then in a public display of triumph.

Ruu_Old

Only if I can bring my friend, Wildey.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAzZ91FAnxU

The_Minister

Fo Real wrote: »

As usual progress in this country is stifled by the whining PC minority. Plenty of cities have vigilante groups
eg. vigilantes kept the New York subway safe in the 80's and 90's before Giuliani cleaned up the place;

Community groups keep the thieving roma gypsys off the streets in Naples and Rome;

Dublin communities even drove the scummy drug dealers from their neighburhoods in the 80's.

OP if you decide to deliver justice I'm sure your local community will support you 100%

I saw that in Berlin.

In front of the Brandenbug Gate, the gypsies and Roma hang out and beg in huge numbers. They shout at you, and hassle you and refuse to go away. They try and pick your pocket, and if you pull out a camera, they all gather around, hoping to find you distracted.

I had to be very harsh to get them to go away, and even then they kept coming back, they just wouldn't leave me alone.

Eventually, this middle-aged German man steps between them and me, says something to the gypsie who is currently bugging me in a very harsh tone, and points to a few other German men. She ran.

I was very grateful to him, and if he and his mates do beat those vermin every now and again, then I find it hard to feel sorry.

Those of you who read my posts know I normally wouldn't feel like that, but the Roma in Berlin are downright intimidating and are pests.

orourkeda

Say hello to my little friend

http://web.mit.edu/mukherji/www/bazooka.jpg

Doc

I honestly think the only result in Ireland to this would be the vigilantes being arrested. I think the people who originally did wrong would get away with it and the Gards would go after the easy targets.

If you could find out exactly who they are and get people to film them in the act of committing the crimes or something like that then actually persuade the Gards to act on the video evidence then that would be good but difficult.

dsmythy

Doc wrote: »

I honestly think the only result in Ireland to this would be the vigilantes being arrested. I think the people who originally did wrong would get away with it and the Gards would go after the easy targets.

If you could find out exactly who they are and get people to film them in the act of committing the crimes or something like that then actually persuade the Gards to act on the video evidence then that would be good but difficult.

Cycle continues unfortunately. The gang find out who is doing the videotaping and the victimisation begins again after the Gardaí inevitably release them.

Doc

dsmythy wrote: »

Cycle continues unfortunately. The gang find out who is doing the videotaping and the victimisation begins again after the Gardaí inevitably release them.

See that’s the thing if you had like 20 people doing it instead of just 1 or 2 then you would not have them victimizing the people doing it as the number is too high to make it practical.

Gonzales

Terry wrote: »

Banned.

FFS. Can we have a conversation here that doesn't end up with someone suggesting that we all bring out hurls and go on a witch hunt?

Oh yeah. Right.
Sorry. I forgot for a second.

Anyway, still banned for advocating violence and for that post being really idiotic.

He didn't suggest taking out hurls or anything of the sort. In the context of a thread called "vigilantism" I feel his post was well placed.

Crumble Froo

hehe, this is a hot topic in my locality at the moment after this story made it all over the papers last week...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/2999197/Right-wing-vigilantes-on-patrol-in-Christchurch

my favourite line is..

The group was a white pride group as opposed to white power, he said. "We're not about going around bashing up Polynesians or Asians."

If a European youth was found vandalising property: "We'd probably say `Hey, what are you doing? That's not really the white way'."

amacachi

Organised vigilantism can never be supported or condoned publicly, however I'd guess most people wouldn't be against carrying it out themselves. When all else has failed sometimes it is the only method, but having it organised etc. just leads to far more problems in the long run.

stovelid

Always in two-minds about it.

When I was growing up, the community action thing was in fashion - whether just the normal variant or your Sinners Residents Against Drugs or whatever.

I do support the right of communities to spontaneously punish /banish people that are fucking over their own community on a regular basis.

A lot of the hand-wringing about this comes from people who have no experience of living in areas where certain people/families can exercise a reign of terror with impunity.

That said, I'm very wary of organized vigilantism, which I've also seen in my time. Where a bunch of thugs pose around estates and dish out 'arbitrary justice' using their own criteria.

brummytom

My name is URL wrote: »

To be fair, it wouldn't mean battering anyone or been battered.

It's a show of solidarity by a community that won't tolerate crime, more than anything.

The more people that supported it, the bigger the reason for skangers not to commit petty crimes.

So like a neighbourhood watch?

NothingMan

Simple, just call in Charels Bronson!

doubtfir3

My name is URL wrote: »

To be fair, it wouldn't mean battering anyone or been battered.

It's a show of solidarity by a community that won't tolerate crime, more than anything.

The more people that supported it, the bigger the reason for skangers not to commit petty crimes.

I have to say I do understand the ethos of this.. Take for example the case illustrated in the recent film "Finding Eric"...

Normal everyday guy who generally lives his life and minds his own business, tries to prevent a thug from intimidating his son and his family... thug operates "above the law" and basically terrorises the guy..

All of his friends go to this guys house for a "chat".. OK, so it can be said that they were violent in the guys house, but the end result was that a show of solidarity from a group of people stopped the harassment.

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I'm not in favour of random beatings, punishments or violence as such, but have to say that I would be 100% in favour of communities coming out in force against the minority of scumbags who are interfering with their enjoyment of their lives, communities and houses.

The system doesn't cater for it, does nothing to prevent it and there is no move to change the system so I believe that it is up to a community to take action.

Of course, the exact problem lies in the fact that nobody wants to be a part of the group who will stand up to these scumbags.. but we will all "support them".. from a safe distance.

ToxicPaddy

doubtfir3 wrote: »

I have to say I do understand the ethos of this.. Take for example the case illustrated in the recent film "Finding Eric"...

Normal everyday guy who generally lives his life and minds his own business, tries to prevent a thug from intimidating his son and his family... thug operates "above the law" and basically terrorises the guy..

All of his friends go to this guys house for a "chat".. OK, so it can be said that they were violent in the guys house, but the end result was that a show of solidarity from a group of people stopped the harassment.

I really liked this film and the idea of what they did was a very good idea.. granted breaking up his car and house would be classed as vandalism so thats
one area that wouldnt be a good idea.. but a group of friends showing they cant be intimidated would definitely work for most scumbags..

There are times when I see some scumbags who deserve a good kicking, but the difference between us and them is we dont resort to violence to get our own way..

Crossing that line is a very bad idea and as I'm sure has happened in the past, once someone does it, they start to continue doing it as it gets the results or so they think until they do it to the wrong guy and then the proverbial sh*t hits the fan..

Community watch systems etc are a good idea, most dont actually patrol, they just keep an eye out for suspicious activity and let others in the area know about it, then inform the Gardai..

Tox