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Date-rape drink spiking 'an urban legend'

  • 27-10-2009 5:26pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭


    http://www.independent.ie/lifestyle/independent-woman/issues/daterape-drink-spiking-an-urban-legend-1925339.html
    By Stephen Adams


    Tuesday October 27 2009

    Widespread spiking of drinks with date-rape drugs such as Rohypnol and GHB is an "urban legend" fuelled by young women unwilling to accept they have simply consumed too much alcohol, academics believe.

    A study of more than 200 students revealed many wrongly blamed the effects of a "bad night out" on date-rape drugs, when they had just drunk excessively.


    Many are in "active denial" that drinking large amounts of alcohol can leave them "incoherent and incapacitated", the Kent University researchers concluded.

    Young women's fears about date-rape drugs are so ingrained that students mistakenly think it is a more important factor in sexual assault than being drunk, taking drugs or walking alone at night.


    The study, published in the British Journal of Criminology, found three-quarters of students identified drink spiking as an important risk – more than alcohol or drugs.


    More than half said they knew someone whose drink had been spiked.


    But despite popular beliefs, police have found no evidence that rape victims are commonly drugged with such substances, the researchers said.


    Dr Adam Burgess from the university's School of Social Policy, Sociology and Social Research, said: "Young women appear to be displacing their anxieties about the consequences of consuming what is in the bottle on to rumours of what could be put there by someone else.


    "The reason why fear of drink-spiking has become widespread seems to be a mix of it being more convenient to guard against than the effects of alcohol itself and the fact that such stories are exotic – like a more adult version of 'stranger danger'."


    Rituals to protect drinks from contamination, such as taking drinks to the lavatory in clubs and bars and buying only bottled drinks, have become commonplace, the academics noted.


    Among young people, drink spiking stories have attractive features that could "help explain" their disproportionate loss of control after drinking alcohol, the study found.


    Dr Burgess said: "Our findings suggest guarding against drink spiking has also become a way for women to negotiate how to watch out for each other in an environment where they might well lose control from alcohol consumption."


    Co-researcher Dr Sarah Moore said: "We would be very interested in finding out whether the urban myth of spiking is also the result of parents feeling unable to discuss with their adult daughters how to manage drinking and sex and representing their anxieties about this through discussion of drink spiking risks."


    Nick Ross, chair of the Jill Dando Institute of Crime Science, commented: "There is no evidence of widespread use of hypnotics in sexual assault, let alone Rohypnol, despite many attempts to prove the contrary.


    "During thousands of blood and alcohol tests lots of judgement-impairing compounds were discovered, but they were mostly street drugs or prescription pharmaceuticals taken by the victims themselves, and above all alcohol was the common theme.


    "As Dr Burgess observes, it is not scientific evidence which keeps the drug rape myth alive but the fact that it serves so many useful functions."


    Dr Burgess and his team questioned more than 200 students at universities in London and south east England.


    Earlier this year, Australian researchers found that nont one of 97 young men and women admitted to hospital over 19 months to two Perth hospital claiming to have had their drinks spiked, had in fact been drugged.

    - Stephen Adams

    © Telegraph.co.uk

    Contraversial to say the least.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,582 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Contraversial to say the least.

    It is indeed, thank you for posting it here in AH.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 21,666 Mod ✭✭✭✭helimachoptor


    Honestly I dont think so.. I know plenty of girls who i've been out with and they get absolutely f**ked off their faces and then the next day their facebook says "oh i must have been spiked last night" maybe once.. but every weekend I think not. And also most of these girls are going home with their boyfriends...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,572 ✭✭✭WeeBushy


    Honestly I dont think so.. I know plenty of girls who i've been out with and they get absolutely f**ked off their faces and then the next day their facebook says "oh i must have been spiked last night" maybe once.. but every weekend I think not. And also most of these girls are going home with their boyfriends...

    Maybe their boyfriends are creeps...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    AHHHHH YOU FOOL YOU WILL KILL US ALL.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    TheZohan wrote: »
    It is indeed, thank you for posting it here in AH.

    I'm not posting it in The Ladies Lounge - it would be like coating your nads in honey and then shagging an anthill.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    "It's just vitamins don't worry love"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,333 ✭✭✭Archeron


    I genuinely think I got my drink spiked one night, me and the missus. And I'm a 6 foot 2, 250 pound bloke who had 1 drink, then lost record of everything for the rest of the night. There was literally one drink and no drugs involved from my point of view, and I can handle a lot of drink.

    We both got robbed that night and lost phones, jackets, wallets and cash. I woke up at home missing a total of about 8 hours, she woke up on the floor at the entrance to the club surrounded by bouncers.

    While I would agree that most of these cases reported are probably just people drinking too much, it still pays to be wary as I do still think it happens on occasion.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    Contraversial, but not far off the truth. The state Irish birds get themselves into on nights out is worrying. The amount of nights I've had to physically carry my girlfriends (as in female friends, I only have one girlfirend) home is too many to count, let alone the amount of birds you see in pathetic states, sitting on the side of the road crying, getting sick, passed out. I have no respect for anyone who gets themslef into this sort of condidtion on a regular basis. And don't tell me it's not their fault, if you feel the need to have a bottle of wine and/or a naggin of vodka before you even go out, then swallow down every shot you can get from the bar as quick as possible, there is something seriously wrong with your conditions as to what defines a good night out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,800 ✭✭✭Senna


    We were out one night in Kellys in Portrush, a girls in the group had one drink then began fall about the place acting like she had had 20 drinks. That is the one and only time i think someone i was out with had their drink spiked.

    Dont know if its used by fellas as much anymore, but mates of mine were always saying, "i must have had a dodgy burger last night" to explain there puking after a club:rolleyes: of course it wasn't the 10 aftershocks you had.


  • Registered Users Posts: 444 ✭✭schween


    I doubt it's an urban legend. I'm sure it happens.

    Although I have seen some people with my own eyes drink a good few drinks quickly, then half an hour later they're warped, and the next day they swear their drinks were spiked :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,086 ✭✭✭soups05


    A study was done in ireland about 5/6 years ago and out of 600 reports of drink spiking (from "ladies" who went to hospital) there was not one single case of it.

    they were all suffering from too much acohol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,647 ✭✭✭✭El Weirdo


    Contraversial, but not far off the truth. The state Irish birds get themselves into on nights out is worrying. The amount of nights I've had to physically carry my girlfriends home is too many to count, let alone the amount of birds you see in pathetic states, sitting on the side of the road crying, getting sick, passed out. I have no respect for anyone who gets themslef into this sort of condidtion on a regular basis. And don't tell me it's not their fault, if you feel the need to have a bottle of wine and/or a naggin of vodka before you even go out, then swallow down every shot you can get from the bar as quick as possible, there is something seriously wrong with your conditions as to what defines a good night out.
    Rather unfortunate username considering the subject matter...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,391 ✭✭✭✭mikom


    My Chemical Romance


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,679 ✭✭✭hidinginthebush


    El Weirdo wrote: »
    Rather unfortunate username considering the subject matter...

    tell me about it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    schween wrote: »
    I doubt it's an urban legend. I'm sure it happens.

    Although I have seen some people with my own eyes drink a good few drinks quickly, then half an hour later they're warped, and the next day they swear their drinks were spiked :rolleyes:

    O it happens, just not as regularily as you might be led to think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,134 ✭✭✭Lux23


    I imagine it is something that happens occasionally but for the most part its probably just people drinking too much and then claiming they were spiked. If I have ever had a night where i forgot what I was doing for half it was because I drank too much and nothing else. I know a couple of people who spiked by so called mates but they was never any intention to rape them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,171 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    It happens but the amount of times it is used as an excuse for excessive drinking lessens it's credibility. It's like the drug that cried wolf.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,931 ✭✭✭Prof.Badass


    Alcohol is the most widely used date rape drug. A few vodkas in a pint is a lot more likely than some proper sedatives. Alcohol has denyability on it's side.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    Happened my girlfriend, dropped her off at pub and got a frantic phonecall less than an hour later because she didnt know where she was, went and got her, and she was a mess, couldnt keep her eyes open, was rambling and kept falling asleep in the car, her friends rang me later asking where she went as she hadnt said anything to them just went off and rang me when she started to panic, I told them I picked her up and what happened and they said a guy was standing near their table asking them creepy questions before it happened, so it does happen but not as often as people think, one of her friends tried to convince us she was spiked one night at a house party we threw, she must have had about 15 shots of jagermeister throughout the night so it was just her being drunk


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 58 ✭✭Vasco


    I was spiked before with ketamine. totally knocked the **** out of me. One of my mates told me later that he had done it for a laugh.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 605 ✭✭✭vinylbomb


    Vasco wrote: »
    I was spiked before with ketamine.

    You may wanna double check this, because to get the dissociative effects of ketamine you need to ingest close to a gram, which is about 40-50 nicker.
    Thats an expensive spike (edit: expensive for a laugh)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭Gone Drinking


    I've spiked a few women in my time.. spiked them with my penis!

    Totally consensual


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭~me~


    i remember hearing that there has never been one positive case of the typical date rape drugs been reported in ireland. its all just doubles and guys topping up their drinks when they dont realise (and the more drunk the girls are the less they notice) dunno how true that is though. i find it hard to believe people when they say it though. and if it is as widespread as people think it is then there should prob be more 'dont leave your drink lying around/accept drinks from strangers' awareness and stuff! the amount of girls that accept drinks from strangers is quite scary when you think about it!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,382 ✭✭✭✭AARRRGH


    I've read numerous articles over the past few years which say the same thing - there is no evidence people's drinks are being spiked. But of course, most people are emotional thinkers so will refuse to believe the evidence, no matter how black and white it is.

    And of course, do you ever notice it's only alcoholic drinks which get spiked? Yep, no one who drinks soft drinks ever has a problem. Strange that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    krudler wrote: »
    Happened my girlfriend, dropped her off at pub and got a frantic phonecall less than an hour later because she didnt know where she was, went and got her, and she was a mess, couldnt keep her eyes open, was rambling and kept falling asleep in the car, her friends rang me later asking where she went as she hadnt said anything to them just went off and rang me when she started to panic, I told them I picked her up and what happened and they said a guy was standing near their table asking them creepy questions before it happened, so it does happen but not as often as people think, one of her friends tried to convince us she was spiked one night at a house party we threw, she must have had about 15 shots of jagermeister throughout the night so it was just her being drunk

    I like how the fact that you didn't use a single full stop adds a sense of urgency to your post. You can feel the panic off it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭Procasinator


    I like how the fact that you didn't use a single full stop adds a sense of urgency to your post. You can feel the panic off it.

    Completely wrong!!! It needs more exclamation marks!!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭Cadiz


    soups05 wrote: »
    A study was done in ireland about 5/6 years ago and out of 600 reports of drink spiking (from "ladies" who went to hospital) there was not one single case of it.

    they were all suffering from too much acohol.

    Substantiate please?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,333 ✭✭✭✭itsallaboutheL


    Jeez i dunno, i'm pretty sure someone fired an E tab into my bucket of after shock one night....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12 !!


    Completely wrong!!! It needs more exclamation marks!!!


    I agree!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Archeron wrote: »
    I genuinely think I got my drink spiked one night, me and the missus. And I'm a 6 foot 2, 250 pound bloke who had 1 drink, then lost record of everything for the rest of the night. There was literally one drink and no drugs involved from my point of view, and I can handle a lot of drink.

    We both got robbed that night and lost phones, jackets, wallets and cash. I woke up at home missing a total of about 8 hours, she woke up on the floor at the entrance to the club surrounded by bouncers.

    While I would agree that most of these cases reported are probably just people drinking too much, it still pays to be wary as I do still think it happens on occasion.

    I'm roughly the same size as you.
    I've had my drink spiked once too.
    House party and I lost about four hours.
    It's not a nice experience.

    On the other hand, I have a friend who spent years blaming Chinese food, Drugs (shut up. You know I'm talking about illegal ones), food from the chipper and plenty of other things.
    He just wouldn't accept that he had drank too much.

    I'm 33 now and I know not to drink vodka or cider because I get really messed up when I do drink them.
    I stick to beer 99.9999% or the time.
    I'm on my 6th now, I've bottles of whiskey and wine beside me and I'm not even tempted to touch them because I know I'll just be completely ****ed in the morning.

    I'm not going to pretend that I know my limits on beer, but I'm certainly not going to blame anything else when I'm hungover in the morning.


    Here are some videos that women need to watch:






  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Even the whole "oh I usually drink way more" thing doesn't hold much weight with me. I'd quite regularly have a coupla bottles of vodka in a session and get nowhere near blackout-drunk but other times at home, parties or in the pub I could have 4-5 drinks and be absolutely wasted. A mate would have the same as me during a big session but a few weeks ago had 5 pints and then as he started on a bit of whiskey his whole night is a blackout. People seem to forget how powerful alcohol is and that it won't affect you the same way every time.

    Anyway, haven't there been studies done over and over showing no evidence of Rohypnol or GHB being used to date-rape?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    schween wrote: »
    I doubt it's an urban legend. I'm sure it happens.
    Just maybe very exaggerated. I'm always stealing peoples drinks and I've never been date raped once.


  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭Cadiz


    I doubt it's urban legend, I believe it happens, but I'd agree it's unlikely to be anyway widespread either, in Ireland anyway. And of course it can be a handy excuse for the ninny-ish excessive drinker.

    However, can the posters citing 'a study I remember from x years ago/numerous articles/studies done over and over' either be a bit more concrete about what they're referring to or else leave out the vague references?

    Pretty please. ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Nodin wrote: »
    O it happens, just not as regularily as you might be led to think.

    You sound very sure of that.

    Perhaps we'll find a direct correlation between nights Nodin goes out and genuine cases of drinks being spiked eh?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,420 ✭✭✭Lollipops23


    My OH's sister had 2 glasses of wine in their local and can't remember any of the night (we know she had 2 glasses as she was sharing a bottle with her mates). She worked in a hospital so was able to get bloodwork done the following day. Turns out she'd ingested Ketamine; a very powerful tranquiliser. A member of the bar staff (newly hired) was fired about a week later after it happened to another girl. (we reckon he must have been smearing something inside the wine glasses, that's why only she was affected in her group.



    It is rare, and I wish girls would cop on and admit how much they drank,but it does happen.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,397 ✭✭✭✭azezil


    Terry wrote: »
    I'm roughly the same size as you.
    I've had my drink spiked once too.
    House party and I lost about four hours.
    It's not a nice experience.

    Why, did you have a dose of the squits and a sore ass the next day?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Johnnnybravo


    A lot of cases are girls drinking too much and not admitting it but unfortunatley it does happen. Its a sad state of affairs when people will actually come on an internet forum and make jokes about rape, a lot on here thinks its such a f^kn funny subject.

    People do get their drinks spiked and the people who seriously think they were spiked do go and get blood tests, unfortunatley for some thats the least of their worries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    A lot of cases are girls drinking too much and not admitting it but unfortunatley it does happen. Its a sad state of affairs when people will actually come on an internet forum and make jokes about rape, a lot on here thinks its such a f^kn funny subject.

    People do get their drinks spiked and the people who seriously think they were spiked do go and get blood tests, unfortunatley for some thats the least of their worries.


    I'm sure a lot of people do put their own excess down to spiking but that doesnt mean that spiking doesnt go on

    On a night out with some friends one night I noticed a lad messing with drinks at the bar and alerted security..turned out he had some pills he was slipping into everyone's drink. He claimed he wasnt out rape anyone but was just doing it for the laugh. Of course its so freaking hilarious isnt it?

    I was the designated driver that night, just as well he didnt get to make his way down my end of the bar otherwise god knows what could have happened after I got behind the wheel


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    amacachi wrote: »
    Anyway, haven't there been studies done over and over showing no evidence of Rohypnol or GHB being used to date-rape?
    Rohypnol turns drinks blue. Anyone who claims they've been spiked with it is bull****ting.

    In the few cases that do happen, I think the motive is often schadenfreudian rather than sexual. My mates have spiked me with pills before, much to my delight.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    Rohypnol turns drinks blue. Anyone who claims they've been spiked with it is bull****ting.


    Is that true? It turns any drink blue? First I've heard of it

    Even if it is the case though thats not worth much in a dark pub or nightclub when you're drinking out of a bottle now is it.....


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,115 ✭✭✭Johnnnybravo


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Is that true? It turns any drink blue? First I've heard of it

    Even if it is the case though thats not worth much in a dark pub or nightclub when you're drinking out of a bottle now is it.....

    I wouldnt even bother arguing it eviltwin, until a few of the people here that think rape is funny end up accompanying somebody for a night at a sexual assault treatment unit they wont come away from their "all women drink too much" train of thought. Also people that work in sexual assault centres could tell you a lot more statistics about blood tests etc and would be a lot more relaible .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,375 ✭✭✭kmick


    krudler wrote: »
    Happened my girlfriend, dropped her off at pub and got a frantic phonecall less than an hour later because she didnt know where she was, went and got her, and she was a mess, couldnt keep her eyes open, was rambling and kept falling asleep in the car, her friends rang me later asking where she went as she hadnt said anything to them just went off and rang me when she started to panic, I told them I picked her up and what happened and they said a guy was standing near their table asking them creepy questions before it happened, so it does happen but not as often as people think, one of her friends tried to convince us she was spiked one night at a house party we threw, she must have had about 15 shots of jagermeister throughout the night so it was just her being drunk

    Did you take her to the hospital to confirm? Just wondering? If any "mate" spiked me or anyone belonging to me for a laugh they would getting a visit from Mr Beatdown when they least expect it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 454 ✭✭Cadiz


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    Rohypnol turns drinks blue. Anyone who claims they've been spiked with it is bull****ting.

    Pub/club lighting also turns gin and tonic blue. An opaque drink, like one with cola in it would not necessarily show up the blue colour that has been added to Rohypnol specifically because of its association with date rape.

    Rohypnol is very, very hard to get your hands on however. But other tranquilliser type things are not.

    Some friends you have.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    azezil wrote: »
    Why, did you have a dose of the squits and a sore ass the next day?
    That happens every day ending in y.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,397 ✭✭✭✭azezil


    Terry wrote: »
    That happens every day ending in y.

    Ooooh you saucy minx ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭ToniTuddle


    I thought Rohypnol was very difficult to detect anyway in drinks and in your system...it disappears pretty quickly. I heard unless you literally get to hospital pretty soon after it's in your system they won't be able to detect it??

    Plus I might have missed it but nobody seems to have brought up another use of date-rape drugs.....
    More and more men are drugging other men with either shots of drink/drugs etc with the purpose of robbing them at the end of the night! That sure as hell happens alot more than all the rapes.
    Men do bring bucket loads of money out with them for a good nights session!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,587 ✭✭✭Pace2008


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Is that true? It turns any drink blue? First I've heard of it

    Even if it is the case though thats not worth much in a dark pub or nightclub when you're drinking out of a bottle now is it.....
    It does indeed, Google it - though admittedly, the articles do say that it doesn't show up clearly in dark-coloured drinks. In any case, Rohypnol is extremely rare in Ireland.
    I wouldnt even bother arguing it eviltwin, until a few of the people here that think rape is funny end up accompanying somebody for a night at a sexual assault treatment unit they wont come away from their "all women drink too much" train of thought. Also people that work in sexual assault centres could tell you a lot more statistics about blood tests etc and would be a lot more relaible .
    Where did state I or even imply rape is funny?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭ToniTuddle


    On a side note, it is shocking how many females do indeed accept drink from males/females they do not know.
    I stick to buying my own!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    I wouldnt even bother arguing it eviltwin, until a few of the people here that think rape is funny end up accompanying somebody for a night at a sexual assault treatment unit they wont come away from their "all women drink too much" train of thought. Also people that work in sexual assault centres could tell you a lot more statistics about blood tests etc and would be a lot more relaible .

    I'm sure that everyone who jokes about rape really thinks that people getting raped is funny. Christ.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Pace2008 wrote: »
    It does indeed, Google it - though admittedly, the articles do say that it doesn't show up clearly in dark-coloured drinks. In any case, Rohypnol is extremely rare in Ireland.
    Where did state I or even imply rape is funny?

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/date-rape-drug-stolen-from-industrial-estate-410474.html

    83000 tablets were stolen in Ireland a few months ago.


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