question on bulking and fat.

cardio,shoot me · 16-10-2009 08:44PM

are dry roasted peanuts not like ridicolously bad for you?

Roper · 16-10-2009 08:57PM

You have the teenager's penchant for exaggeration and superlatives used out of context. Next you'll be telling me how 'awesome' paper is... like.

No, smoking rocks of crack through a glass pipe is "ridiculously" bad for you. Dry roasted peanuts are somewhat bad for you when eaten in great quantities, like I do. I like them however, and I'm almost entirely certain that I will not go to an early grave because I eat them.

randomguy88 · 16-10-2009 08:59PM

Ok, so you're all saying if you want to get bigger and stronger just eat anything and everything. But what if I'm already a bit flabby, yet not as muscular as I'd like to be. I wanna get bigger but I definitely don't wanna get any fatter. I'm 85kg, but nearly all of that is in my beastly thighs. So basically I'm doomed to either becoming a skinny bastard or becoming a big fat bastard, before I can be a ripped bastard?

cardio,shoot me · 16-10-2009 09:09PM

calm down roper, This is the internet, exxagerations are key to any arguement. I just thought the other kind of peanut was better for you, the one that isnt dry ?

g'em · 16-10-2009 09:40PM

I'm quickly coming the conculsion that the whole notion of, and concepts behind, getting really big and not caring about the fat that goes with that are just alien in nature.

Maybe it's because I'm a girl but I just don't get it

discombobulate · 16-10-2009 10:04PM

randomguy88 wrote: »

Ok, so you're all saying if you want to get bigger and stronger just eat anything and everything. But what if I'm already a bit flabby, yet not as muscular as I'd like to be. I wanna get bigger but I definitely don't wanna get any fatter. I'm 85kg, but nearly all of that is in my beastly thighs. So basically I'm doomed to either becoming a skinny bastard or becoming a big fat bastard, before I can be a ripped bastard?

Point I think is basically you can only do one or the other at a time. Build muscle or burn fat so key if you want to be big and muscly is to go through a cut of the fat, a build of muscle which will add a bit of fat back and then another cut which should end up in being bigger wih less fat.

Just back from the shop with anoher 4 litres of milk and litre of juice. Whatever happened to the milkman? Is there such thing anymore?

_JOE_ · 17-10-2009 01:59AM

cardio,shoot me wrote: »

calm down roper, This is the internet, exxagerations are key to any arguement. I just thought the other kind of peanut was better for you, the one that isnt dry ?

You mean the salted one?

And Roper, fully agree with the dry roasted from lidl. i eat a bag every two days, they're addictive!

Fol20 · 17-10-2009 02:11AM

discombobulate wrote: »

:rolleyes:

At least add a bit to thread if your going to be making jokes smart arse. Milk is recommended for bulking in a lot of different places.

Just out of interest..is milk unhealthy if its your primary drink..Not a fan of water,tea or coffee,and dont drink too much fizzy drinks however;i love my milk..id drink a minimum of 2l maybe 3 a day..im not trying to bulk up..im just wondering..im 6.3 btw

17-10-2009 04:12AM

This thread confuses the sh*t out of me. I just don't get it.

That is all.

Bottle_of_Smoke · 17-10-2009 04:22AM

randomguy88 wrote: »

Ok, so you're all saying if you want to get bigger and stronger just eat anything and everything. But what if I'm already a bit flabby, yet not as muscular as I'd like to be. I wanna get bigger but I definitely don't wanna get any fatter. I'm 85kg, but nearly all of that is in my beastly thighs. So basically I'm doomed to either becoming a skinny bastard or becoming a big fat bastard, before I can be a ripped bastard?

So long as you train hard 3 times a week, have squats benches and deadlifts your muscles get bigger and the fat doesn't show so much.

My advice would be to build loads of muscle for a few months with a high calorie diet, make sure you're never hungry. Then when you have the muscle continue training but start eating a lo-gi diet. When you have lots of muscle your flab disappears rapidly on a normal 2500male/2000female calorie diet.

17-10-2009 12:59PM

Ok but getting off the point of aesthetics and muscle gain here, is following the advice in this thread healthy for your heart and vital organs that you can't see ?

What about your arteries ?

mack32 · 17-10-2009 01:11PM

nice article by Christian Thibaudeau on this topic, think someone posted it up here a while back

http://www.tmuscle.com/portal_includes/articles/2006/06-154-training.html

Bottle_of_Smoke · 17-10-2009 02:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok but getting off the point of aesthetics and muscle gain here, is following the advice in this thread healthy for your heart and vital organs that you can't see ?

What about your arteries ?

not sure. Eating high calorie probably isn't that bad if you're doing lots of training. Less harful than the the amount an average irish person drinks.

Lo-GI is very healthy

bigstar · 17-10-2009 03:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Ok but getting off the point of aesthetics and muscle gain here, is following the advice in this thread healthy for your heart and vital organs that you can't see ?

What about your arteries ?

from a long term point of view, id say no. but its not meant to be long term. you eat to get bigger, when your bigger you go back to eating normally and healthily. same as losing weight, you dont cut cals forever.

6 months or so of bad eating isnt going to have catastrophic effects on your health imo, especially if your training hard. people eat crap and live sedentary lifestyles for years before any health issues arise, i dont see a short term diet change doing much to ya. just my 2c though, you can still gain weight with a healthy diet, just takes longer.

Roper · 17-10-2009 05:06PM

There seems to be some sort of idea here that eating a lot of claories equals eating a lot of ****e. It doesn't, it just so happens that calorie dense foods tend to be the ones that the gurus hate. Nuts are a prime example, take away the salt content of packets and nuts are great and you would be hard pressed to find a "health expert" who would slag off nuts. Yet nuts are extremely calorie dense, making them really bad for anyone trying to lose weight. There is no black and white here, though people wish there was.

The other factor is that there is also a lot of training going on to make sure the weight is going where it should- to my muskles- and not where it shouldn't- to my chins. If you're not doing the training in conjunction with the eating, you're going to get just plain fat.

Lastly, I actually don't expect my bodyfat to rise all that much in the next 6 weeks. I actually expect a rise early on, followed by a small drop and then a levelling off. It will take my body a week or two to get used to the new diet and training. I'm getting my skinfolds done on Monday morning and I'll post them on my blog and track them once per week. If I suddenly turn into Jim Royle anyone who thinks this is all terribly unhealthy can say I told you so.

EDIT: Just read the Low-GI comment. Try adding any mass with low GI!

17-10-2009 05:31PM

mack32 wrote: »

nice article by Christian Thibaudeau on this topic, think someone posted it up here a while back

http://www.tmuscle.com/portal_includes/articles/2006/06-154-training.html

Brilliant article. I'd be more inclined to have this way of thinking.

enda_4 · 18-10-2009 10:59PM

How detrimental is cardio to gaining mass? I find it near impossible to put on any weight so is it true that too much cardio hinders it. We're talking football training 1/2 nights a week and a game at the weekend.

itsallaboutheL · 19-10-2009 09:16AM

enda_4 wrote: »

How detrimental is cardio to gaining mass? I find it near impossible to put on any weight so is it true that too much cardio hinders it. We're talking football training 1/2 nights a week and a game at the weekend.

enda_4 · 19-10-2009 09:37AM

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Good point, just eat more so!

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup · 19-10-2009 03:53PM

Roper wrote: »

There seems to be some sort of idea here that eating a lot of claories equals eating a lot of ****e. It doesn't, it just so happens that calorie dense foods tend to be the ones that the gurus hate. Nuts are a prime example, take away the salt content of packets and nuts are great and you would be hard pressed to find a "health expert" who would slag off nuts. Yet nuts are extremely calorie dense, making them really bad for anyone trying to lose weight. There is no black and white here, though people wish there was.

The other factor is that there is also a lot of training going on to make sure the weight is going where it should- to my muskles- and not where it shouldn't- to my chins. If you're not doing the training in conjunction with the eating, you're going to get just plain fat.

Lastly, I actually don't expect my bodyfat to rise all that much in the next 6 weeks. I actually expect a rise early on, followed by a small drop and then a levelling off. It will take my body a week or two to get used to the new diet and training. I'm getting my skinfolds done on Monday morning and I'll post them on my blog and track them once per week. If I suddenly turn into Jim Royle anyone who thinks this is all terribly unhealthy can say I told you so.

EDIT: Just read the Low-GI comment. Try adding any mass with low GI!

Thank you! When I first came on this forum looking for advice, everyone recommended nuts (ehhhh, they're the good fats blah blah) so I was trying to cut fat thinking I was great having a 400 or 500 calorie nut snack at night-time, devouring my hard fought deficit daily.

davmol · 19-10-2009 04:35PM

[QUOTE= nut snack .[/QUOTE]

say that 20 times real fast!!

19-10-2009 07:08PM

georgiecasey wrote: »

Thank you! When I first came on this forum looking for advice, everyone recommended nuts (ehhhh, they're the good fats blah blah) so I was trying to cut fat thinking I was great having a 400 or 500 calorie nut snack at night-time, devouring my hard fought deficit daily.

That's nobody elses fault but your own fault. They are good fats "blah blah".

Nobody told you to gorge on them.

TheCandystripes · 19-10-2009 09:31PM

look the fact of the matter is some of us are blessed with great genetics and others not so much. there was a show made in britain a while back where a swedish scientist wanted to see how a group of skinny people would react to 4 weeks of non stop binging, consuming like 10,000 calories a day. at the end of the 4 weeks the asian dude had gained like 30% muscle mass despite not working out once over the 4 weeks and eating pure crap.

Inspector Coptoor · 19-10-2009 09:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Brilliant article. I'd be more inclined to have this way of thinking.

would you also be more inclined to add in his "juice" to your diet?

Transform · 19-10-2009 10:22PM

TheCandystripes wrote: »

look the fact of the matter is some of us are blessed with great genetics and others not so much. there was a show made in britain a while back where a swedish scientist wanted to see how a group of skinny people would react to 4 weeks of non stop binging, consuming like 10,000 calories a day. at the end of the 4 weeks the asian dude had gained like 30% muscle mass despite not working out once over the 4 weeks and eating pure crap.

some of us make the absolute most of the genetics we are given also through bloody hard work and a dogged attitude to constantly get better - with a bit of fun along the way

TheCandystripes · 19-10-2009 10:25PM

ye but its easier for others. i mean some are just genetically conditioned to not have a 6 pack. your body will constantly try to push you back to what it deems your natural weight, hence why fat people have so much trouble losing weight and find it easy to put it on.

19-10-2009 10:39PM

Liam Henners257 wrote: »

would you also be more inclined to add in his "juice" to your diet?

No interest in that myself but the rest of the article makes perfect sense. My goals are simple, I don't want to be (and never would I be able to be) an elite on stage bodybuilder or performer. I just want to be fit (be able to run 5K respectably), strong (bodyweight or more in my lifts) and lean (10% max year round).

That's all I want.

Hanley · 19-10-2009 10:41PM

TheCandystripes wrote: »

ye but its easier for others. i mean some are just genetically conditioned to not have a 6 pack. your body will constantly try to push you back to what it deems your natural weight, hence why fat people have so much trouble losing weight and find it easy to put it on.

I'm sorry, but b*llox.

Some people might struggle to get a 6 pack, but anyone can get to traditional 6 pack condition of 8-10% bodyfat.

19-10-2009 10:46PM

TheCandystripes wrote: »

look the fact of the matter is some of us are blessed with great genetics and others not so much. there was a show made in britain a while back where a swedish scientist wanted to see how a group of skinny people would react to 4 weeks of non stop binging, consuming like 10,000 calories a day. at the end of the 4 weeks the asian dude had gained like 30% muscle mass despite not working out once over the 4 weeks and eating pure crap.

With all due respect, that's the bulls*it answer. That's like one in how many ????

What about the other thousands of people who just get on with it and break their balls and watch what they eat. You don't need all the time in the world, my workouts are currently intense ones (for my ability, would be a doddle for some lads lik on here I'm sure) that rarely last longer than 55 minutes and they are getting me back to where I want to be (10% or less)

Hanley · 19-10-2009 10:51PM

I love reading sh!t like this tbh.... I've been under 10%, over 20% and will be back under 10% all in the space of about 2.5-3 years. It's not that bloody hard!!

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