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M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning decision pending]

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,735 ✭✭✭Irish and Proud


    Mucco wrote: »
    I can't comment on the eastern section, but I'm not in favour of the new bridge over the river. That stretch of the corrib is very nice, peaceful, great place to hang out in Summer, and easily accessible from town. That sort of recreational amenity is extremely valuable to a city. Plonking a bridge through the middle will spoil all that.
    There is plenty of evidence that building new roads just leads to increased traffic, and the congestion returns.

    ...well the road has to go somewhere mate!

    Also, this argument of "the more roads, the more cars" is so 1990's - like we're about the enter the 2010's FFS. Road provision should be part of an overall environmental strategy for urban areas - other aspects would be public transport, land use, amenities, public spaces etc. In short, new roads in isolation do not solve much, but they can make a significant contribution in conjunction with other environmental measures.

    Take Galway, the Other Bypass would divert most through traffic away from the city, thereby freeing up existing road space for public transport use particularly during peak hours. Given the fair number of S4s (existing Corrib Bridge, N6 Eastern Approach, Inner Ring etc), these can be converted to QBCs for peak hours. In turn, the space released on existing major roads (with the GORR and QBCs) could allow scope for pedestrian enhancement in areas of amenity such as shopping streets, the area surrounding NUI Galway etc. One very interesting concept regarding pedestrian enhancement is 'Shared Space'!

    I can't download the google map of Galway, so I'm talking pretty blind, but I'm sure most people get what I'm talking about!

    Regards!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Exactly .

    ONCE the Bypass is built then introduce bus lanes and down convert the dual carriageways to 1 x 1 and an each way QBC on the outside.

    Then send some Knocknacarra buses straight to Ballybrit and stop some of this 'via Eyre Square or nothing' nonsense .

    Introduce park and ride from around the Outer Bypass to the Centre / Ballybrit area.

    Finally , introduce intelligent integrated ticketing for all that lot and day passes etc .

    as for that silly Gluas tram rubbish , don't make me laugh :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    Road provision should be part of an overall environmental strategy for urban areas - other aspects would be public transport, land use, amenities, public spaces etc. In short, new roads in isolation do not solve much, but they can make a significant contribution in conjunction with other environmental measures.

    But as you know right well, what happens in this country is that the new road gets built and the rest of the measures get forgotten about.

    While the new bridge will take some traffic away, it will not solve Galway's (at times) chronic traffic problem. There are simply too many cars and not enough public transport in Galway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    Mucco wrote: »
    I can't comment on the eastern section, but I'm not in favour of the new bridge over the river. That stretch of the corrib is very nice, peaceful, great place to hang out in Summer, and easily accessible from town. That sort of recreational amenity is extremely valuable to a city. Plonking a bridge through the middle will spoil all that.
    There is plenty of evidence that building new roads just leads to increased traffic, and the congestion returns.
    There are other solutions to the traffic problem. As mentioned above, most cars are 1-person occupied, so an obvious solution is car share. People could also use motorbikes, cycle (it's only 8km from Knocknacarra to Ballybrit), encourage employers to use flexi-time. Or, perhaps even live closer to work?
    You could of course turn one lane of the current bridge into a bus lane, but that probably wouldn't be popular.

    All of those alternative suggestions together would not even come close to solving the traffic problems in Galway I'm afraid.

    A bus lane on the existing bridge without a bypass would literally cripple the city. It could become a slight possibility if the bypass gets built and even then I don't think it would be a good move. No buses use the current bridge, you would need to have buses running at never before seen high frequencies to justify converting lanes on one of the busiest roads in the West of Ireland into bus lanes.

    Motorbikes are a lot more dangerous than cars. I don't think it would be wise to encourage increased use of motorbikes as it could easily lead to more deaths on the road. I think the protection of human life is a lot more important than protecting the scenery on the Corrib!

    Encourage more cycling - excellent idea, one which I fully support. But Galway does get a lot of wet weather which makes this an unattractive choice for some. Also, some people don't feel safe cycling because the roads are so busy. If we had the bypass, roads in the city would be a lot more quiet and more cycle friendly.

    The Waterford Bypass for example is getting a spectacular bridge, there's no reason why Galway can't get a aesthetically pleasing bridge. It doesn't have to be an eye-sore.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    KevR wrote: »
    No buses use the current bridge, you would need to have buses running at never before seen high frequencies to justify converting lanes on one of the busiest roads in the West of Ireland into bus lanes.

    But sure isn't that exactly what's needed? Why aren't there high-frequency buses going from Knocknacarra->Ballybrit at least at peak times?

    It has to be carrot and stick. Carrot of reliable frequent buses along with the stick of a bus lane. (Of course you'd have to dual Seamus Quirke road and possibly the western distributor as well.)

    Oh well ... I can only dream on I suppose :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    I wonder what Plan B is, if there is one, if the bypass gets refused by the High Court.

    Huge upgrades of junctions along the existing ring road (N6) in the city? Would be very costly (possibly more so than a new bypass) and the disruption during the upgrade construction work would probably cripple the city for a couple of years but it would have to be done. Not to mention the big impact it might have on some adjacent buildings - as unfortunate as it would be I don't think there's really any other option.

    As for bus lanes on the ring road - in reality 1 lane from each direction is never going to be turned into a bus lane, especially if the bypass doesn't go ahead. The city just could not cope with that even if there were frequent buses and a good deal of people stopped driving and instead used the bus.
    It's actually more likely that they would widen the ring road (or parts of it to 2 car lanes + 1 bus lane in each direction. There are no plans for this and I doubt there ever will be because it would cost a lot so there really is no chance whatsoever of the ring road being converted to 1 car lane and 1 bus lane in each direction.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    Contrary to popular belief grade separating some of the current roundabouts would be possible. But the worst of them couldnt be upgraded due to space (and 90 degree turns of the mainline), and it would all dump onto Seamus Quirke road anyway, which has had its dualling canned a few months ago.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    I'm terrible remembering the name, but theres a wildly under-sized roundabout in the middle of the current ring road that could 'easily' be turned in to a compact GSJ in terms of surrounding land. Further out of the city the Dougishka RAB could definitely be separated.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    The existing Dual Carriageway from Ballybrit to Oranmore would actually be a decent stretch of DC if there weren't at grade junctions. Someone driving from Carnmore to Dunnes Briarhill interupts traffic travelling across the City on the N6 because the movements involve crossing each other on the RAB. Loads of other examples of how cross City traffic (which should have priority and shouldn't be interrupted) gets interrupted by other movements


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭dowlingm


    have to laugh at the reference to sweetman as self-appointed. Half the dail were "self-appointed" to a family safe seat.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,490 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Moved to Infrastructure.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    http://www.advertiser.ie/galway/article/17622

    It seems from this article that the High Court decision is due this month.

    What I find frightening is that Frank Fahey seems to be the only politician who's really pushing this!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    And he's whacked up huge signs in Galway about "THE BYPASS STARTS HERE" despite the fact that the sign is at the entrance to one of the parts refused by ABP.

    BTW the NRA have submitted four alternate routes for the western section of the bypass. They're not public yet but at least the NRA are trying.

    Edit: Granted, Fahey does seem to be pushing this (for the road or for votes? ) but lets not forget it was his government that didnt push this road long ago (should have been pushed along with the M6 as an interurban route and not delayed). Why it was never a part of the MIUs, given how important it is, I dont know.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    Frank is not pushing anything. He simply pulls stunts every 4 months or so . I will be 'processing' his signage some time tomorrow night :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    I'll get a photo of his propoganda, dont trash it till I get there :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    I'll get a photo of his propoganda, dont trash it till I get there :D

    You have 24 hours clear. Do remember it is supposed to rain tomorrow and Franks stunt will look better in the wet :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    This just on galwaynews.ie

    Hopefully the second part of the case this afternoon goes as well.

    HIGH COURT DISMISSES PETER SWEETMAN'S CHALLENGE TO CITY OUTER BY PASS

    Fri 9th October 2009 The High Court has dismissed a challenge by environmentalist Peter Sweetman to the Bord Pleanála approval of the Eastern half of the Galway City outer bypass.
    Mr Sweetman of Lower Rathmines Road in Dublin took the case against the Bord and the State claiming that the road approval breached the Natural Habitats regulations.
    Mr Justice George Birmingham will deliver his ruling later this afternoon in a second action against the development, by the environmental organisation, Hands Across the Corrib Ltd.
    Galway county council indicated to Galway Bay FM News just last week, that the National Roads Authority is likely fund research on the Western half of the Outer bypass if both cases against the eastern half are dismissed today


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    And he's whacked up huge signs in Galway about "THE BYPASS STARTS HERE" despite the fact that the sign is at the entrance to one of the parts refused by ABP.

    Worringly the Tribune refers to Fahey as a government minister..
    Don't you need planning permission to put up signs like this? Where do I complain?

    SC_Fahey_Sign.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    KevR wrote: »
    As for bus lanes on the ring road - in reality 1 lane from each direction is never going to be turned into a bus lane, especially if the bypass doesn't go ahead. The city just could not cope with that even if there were frequent buses and a good deal of people stopped driving and instead used the bus.
    It's actually more likely that they would widen the ring road (or parts of it to 2 car lanes + 1 bus lane in each direction. There are no plans for this and I doubt there ever will be because it would cost a lot so there really is no chance whatsoever of the ring road being converted to 1 car lane and 1 bus lane in each direction.

    From GalwayNews.ie:
    The Border, Midland and Western Regional Assembly has announced the allocation of €2m in European Regional Development Funding to Galway city.

    The funding will contribute to the cost of a strategic bus priority scheme and cycle corridor on Bishop O’Donnell and Seamus Quirke Roads and is subject to confirmation of cofinancing by the Department of Transport.

    The allocation is part of a €17.1m EU co-financed fund made available for urban development and regeneration projects in the Gateways and Hub Towns in the BMW Region. These allocations will provide up to 60%of public investment costs in the selected urban projects, with the balance provided by the local authorities.

    The announcement follows a call for projects which was issued in July this year and these projects were assessed by a Steering Committee representing the Department of Finance, Department of Environment, Heritage and local Government and the two Regional Assemblies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭fricatus


    snubbleste wrote: »
    SC_Fahey_Sign.jpg

    :eek:

    Has he no shame? That reminds me of "WELCOME TO PARLON COUNTRY".

    Even Martin Cullen hasn't had the cheek to put up a sign like that near the new bridge in Waterford :rolleyes:

    And "Brought to you by Frank Fahey TD" my a55... if it's ever built, it will be brought to you by taxpayers' money. :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Worringly the Tribune refers to Fahey as a government minister..
    Don't you need planning permission to put up signs like this? Where do I complain?

    SC_Fahey_Sign.jpg

    Saved me going out for a walk, thanks :D

    Funny enough he put a MASSIVE motorway symbol on it despite the fact that the bypass will not be a motorway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭fricatus


    Funny enough he put a MASSIVE motorway symbol on it despite the fact that the bypass will not be a motorway.

    Tee hee... and it should be patched with a blue background on a green sign, just like the TSM says!

    "Ministers"... they know nothing... sure no wonder the country is in the state it's in! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,848 ✭✭✭?Cee?view


    Saved me going out for a walk, thanks :D

    Funny enough he put a MASSIVE motorway symbol on it despite the fact that the bypass will not be a motorway.


    It will be HQDC though, won't it?

    .....that it if Frankeen ever succeeds in building it :D


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    churchview wrote: »
    .....that it if Frankeen ever succeeds in building it :D

    Frankeen could not even build his own website , http://www.isupportthegalwaybypass.com/

    But more good news

    http://www.galwaynews.ie/9122-second-high-court-challenge-city-outer-pass-dismissed
    The High Court has dismissed a second challenge to the Bord Pleanála approval of the Eastern half of the Galway City outer bypass.

    Mr Justice George Birmingham refused leave to appeal to environmental group Hands Across the Corrib Ltd this afternoon.

    Earlier he dismissed a challenge by environmentalist Peter Sweetman of Lower Rathmines Road in Dublin.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    Ah now, Frank is generously organising field trips for interested people to see the sacred limestone pavement at Menlo and the blessed cotton bog at Tonabrucky according to yesterday's Advertiser.

    It worries me to see our representative going to this extent and forgive my cyncism but what is in this project for him or his buddies?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    churchview wrote: »
    It will be HQDC though, won't it?

    .....that it if Frankeen ever succeeds in building it :D

    No, it'll be standard DC AFAIK. Wont have the curves for 120kmh.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Ah now, Frank is generously organising field trips for interested people to see the sacred limestone pavement at Menlo and the blessed cotton bog at Tonabrucky according to yesterday's Advertiser.

    I will give you two chances of getting a guided field trip from Frankeen himself or even from his secretary in the office up in Ballybane . Might do no harm to ask and see what happens though :D

    http://www.frankfahey.ie/

    The NRA is safe to publish the new route options and to fast track the selection procedure a la Adare .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭nordydan


    No, it'll be standard DC AFAIK. Wont have the curves for 120kmh.

    It looks like motorway quality on the drawings and 100kph is acceptable on the M50 so I don't see why the M6 cannot be extended


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    snubbleste wrote: »
    Worringly the Tribune refers to Fahey as a government minister..
    Don't you need planning permission to put up signs like this? Where do I complain?

    SC_Fahey_Sign.jpg

    Just noticed something else wrong aside from the motorway sign. It says non stop. It isnt. From both Barna and the Western Distributor, you have to go round one roundabout. (The plans state S2 for the western distributor link road and from the junction of that with the new N6 and the link to Barna). These link up via a roundabout.

    http://www.galway.ie/en/Services/RoadsTransportation/RoadProjects/n6_outer/intermap.htm

    So no Frank, its not motorway and its not non-stop. Get your facts right.


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    http://www.galwaynews.ie/9122-second-high-court-challenge-city-outer-pass-dismissed
    Fri 9th October 2009
    The High Court has dismissed a second challenge to the Bord Pleanála approval of the Eastern half of the Galway City outer bypass.

    Mr Justice George Birmingham refused leave to appeal to environmental group Hands Across the Corrib Ltd this afternoon.

    Earlier he dismissed a challenge by environmentalist Peter Sweetman of Lower Rathmines Road in Dublin.

    He took the case against the Bord and the State claiming that the road approval breached the Natural Habitats regulations.

    It's now likely the National Roads Authority will fund research on the new route options for the Western half of the Outer city bypass.

    Speaking outside the High Court, Hands Across the Corrib campaigner Mary Francis O'Chonghaile vowed to fight on.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    THE HIGH Court has dismissed claims by environmental campaigners and the State that An Bord Pleanála's go-ahead for construction of the €317 million Galway city outer bypass road is invalid because it breaches European law.
    Mr Justice George Birmingham, in separate judgments likely to have implications for other environmental challenges, yesterday rejected on all grounds the challenges to An Bord Pleanála's November 2008 approval for the road scheme. The challenges were made by environmentalist Peter Sweetman and Hands Across The Corrib Ltd, "Carraig Ban", Ballinfoyle, Co Galway, an environmental non-government organisation.
    The judge also refused applications by both challengers and the State to refer issues to the European Court of Justice concerning interpretation of provisions of the EU habitats directive so as to secure clarity on the meaning of those.
    The judge ruled that the planning board's decision document clearly and succinctly addressed the major issues in the case and left no doubt as to how the board had reached its decision.
    He ruled the board had given clear reasons for its decision that the road project would not adversely affect the "integrity" of the Lough Corrib candidate Special Area of Conservation (cSAC)site but would have a "localised" severe impact.
    He rejected the arguments that once the board found there would be a localised severe impact on the site, it followed as a matter of law that such an impact would adversely affect the integrity of the site within the meaning of Article 6.3 of the habitats directive.
    A central issue in the case was interpretation of Article 6.3, which stipulates any plan likely to have a significant effect on a protected site must be appropriately assessed as to its implications for the site's conservation objectives and prohibits approval of any plan which adversely impacts on the "integrity" of the site.
    The applicants had contended, where it was concluded a proposed development would have a significant effect on a protected site and this was an adverse effect, then approval must be refused at that stage and an alternative procedure adopted designed to deal specifically with projects that adversely affect the integrity of relevant sites.
    The judge found the board had not misinterpreted the directive or the regulations. He said the directive has been considered in many legal cases and he had not been referred to any unequivocal statement that a significant effect on a site equates to an effect on the "integrity" of a site.
    It was clear a "formidable threshold" must be crossed before a project could be approved as one not adversely affecting the integrity of a protected site, he noted.
    He ruled the "clear language" of the directive provided for a two-stage procedure involving the national authorities ascertaining (1) whether a proposed project was likely to have a significant effect on a site and, if so, considering (2) if the project would affect the integrity of a site.
    The directive and regulations also made clear, even if the site was adversely affected, it was possible some projects might still proceed for imperative reasons of overriding public interest, he said.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1010/1224256343970.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    Thank you Mr Justice George Birmingham!

    I hope Peter Sweetman and Hands Across the Corrib just drop it now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    Excellent news. Lets have the NRA sort out the western section and get the PPP schedule sorted out.

    I hope they dont build the eastern section without a new route for the western. With current monies, its got to be the whole thing.


  • Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm still not happy that there is no link to the current N17.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,082 ✭✭✭Chris_533976


    It is daft, but they want people to use the M17, so they've left out that junction.

    Its stupid and wont solve the Claregalway problem. The inner relief road must be built.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    It is daft, but they want people to use the M17, so they've left out that junction.

    Its stupid and wont solve the Claregalway problem. The inner relief road must be built.

    There needs to be a dual carriageway from Loughgeorge to link up with the City by-pass, common sense. Then again,a certain elected TD probably doesn't own any potential developement land along that route.:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    galwayrush wrote: »
    There needs to be a dual carriageway from Loughgeorge to link up with the City by-pass, common sense. Then again,a certain elected TD probably doesn't own any potential developement land along that route.:rolleyes:

    Not going to happen. The proposed M17/M18 route will have a junction near Athenry, so there no politcal argument for having a link into the existing N17 (not that the propsed setup makes any sense)


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭DanielI


    I'm still not happy that there is no link to the current N17.

    I'm afraid that N17 users are going to be even more annoyed if the proposed Special Speed Limit Bye-Laws pass. See attached or at http://www.galwaycity.ie/TopNews/MainBody,6191,en.html

    There is no reason for the speed limit to be lowered from 100kph to 50kph for 1km. That road is wide and in good condition.

    The time for people to submit their objections expires on 13th of November (www.galwaycity.ie)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    DanielI wrote: »
    I'm afraid that N17 users are going to be even more annoyed if the proposed Special Speed Limit Bye-Laws pass. See attached or at http://www.galwaycity.ie/TopNews/MainBody,6191,en.html

    There is no reason for the speed limit to be lowered from 100kph to 50kph for 1km. That road is wide and in good condition.

    The time for people to submit their objections expires on 13th of November (www.galwaycity.ie)

    I don't understand why the N6 Dual Carriageway is in there. Why is a 100kmh limit being proposed for it when it already has a 100kmh limit?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    KevR wrote: »
    I don't understand why the N6 Dual Carriageway is in there. Why is a 100kmh limit being proposed for it when it already has a 100kmh limit?

    If there is a temporary lower speed limit on these roads (don't think so, unless they have lowered it around the junction works in Doughiska) they'd have to re-adjust them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    DanielI wrote: »
    I'm afraid that N17 users are going to be even more annoyed if the proposed Special Speed Limit Bye-Laws pass. See attached or at http://www.galwaycity.ie/TopNews/MainBody,6191,en.html

    There is no reason for the speed limit to be lowered from 100kph to 50kph for 1km. That road is wide and in good condition.

    Where are they moving this limit to? The Parkmore village junction is already very close to / inside the 50 KM limit, are they talking about Hazelwood (the road to the industrial estates)?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 25,234 ✭✭✭✭Sponge Bob


    That's the Headford Road on either side of Ballindooley Castle lads , not the N17 at all , look at the map willye:(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,106 ✭✭✭antoobrien


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    That's the Headford Road on either side of Ballindooley Castle lads , not the N17 at all , look at the map willye:(

    I can't read the map of the Tuam Rd/N17 but from the main document it's kinda clear that the Tuam rd 50km limit is being extended

    "Roads in the City of Galway in respect of which a special speed limit of 50 kilometres per hour is prescribed.
    The following roads:
    (i) The N17 (Tuam Road) from the N17/Parkmore Village junction to the Galway City boundary 1,060 metres north of the N17/Parkmore Village junction.
    (ii) The L1005 (Coolagh Road) from a point 90 metres north of Carrig Bán estate junction for 1,415 metres to the junction with L1006 (Monument Road).
    (iii) The L1006 (Monument Road) from its junction with L1005 (Coolagh Road) for 1,677 metres to the City boundary at Menlo.
    (iv) The L51516 (Monument Road) from the City boundary at Ballindooley for 625 metres to the N84 (Headford Road) Ballindooley Crossroads.
    7"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    antoobrien wrote: »
    If there is a temporary lower speed limit on these roads (don't think so, unless they have lowered it around the junction works in Doughiska) they'd have to re-adjust them.

    There's a 60kmh around Doughiska at the moment so that must be it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭DanielI


    Sponge Bob wrote: »
    That's the Headford Road on either side of Ballindooley Castle lads , not the N17 at all , look at the map willye:(

    Page 3 in the Map document is refering to the Tuam Rd.

    The 50kph zone will be extended from where it is now, to pass the City North Business Park (Kenny Motors) and end at the City boundary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,720 ✭✭✭serfboard


    DanielI wrote: »
    The 50kph zone will be extended from where it is now, to pass the City North Business Park (Kenny Motors) and end at the City boundary.

    I'm not surprised at this in one sense ... I imagine it will extend as far as the Parkmore industrial area junction on the N17?

    In any case, if the Quincentennial Bridge, Bothar Na dTreabh (link road from Menlo roundabout to N17) and Claregalway 50km limits are anything to go by, it will be neither adhered to nor enforced.


  • Registered Users Posts: 73 ✭✭DanielI


    serfboard wrote: »
    I'm not surprised at this in one sense ... I imagine it will extend as far as the Parkmore industrial area junction on the N17?

    In any case, if the Quincentennial Bridge, Bothar Na dTreabh (link road from Menlo roundabout to N17) and Claregalway 50km limits are anything to go by, it will be neither adhered to nor enforced.

    I'm glad you mentioned those roads, because they were supposed to have their speed limits increased to 80kph, in the Draft Bye-Laws of 2007 (see attached). Somehow, the council did not go ahead with that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Amtmann


    OIREACHTAS TRANSPORT committee chairman Frank Fahey has defended his decision to erect unauthorised billboards in support of the Galway city outer bypass.
    The Galway West TD and former county councillor has confirmed he has been asked by Galway County Council to remove the billboards at Cappagh road and Barna, but intends to apply for retention. “It is a genuine attempt on my part to show the enormous significance of this project to the people of Galway,” he told The Irish Times .
    The billboards, which state that the “Galway city outer bypass starts here” and attach Mr Fahey’s name, constituency office address and contact details, are on the western section of the route which has been denied planning approval by An Bord Pleanála.
    Galway County Council says that the billboards are in breach of planning regulations and litter legislation and will have to be removed within “several days”.
    Half of the route from the city’s eastern border as far as Gortacleva was approved by An Bord Pleanála in November 2008, but permission for the western section from Gortacleva to Barna was turned down due to its impact on Tonabrocky Bog’s slender cotton grass (eriophorum gracile) and designated habitats.
    The board’s decision on the approved section was then appealed to the High Court. Late last week, the court dismissed the challenge by Hands Across the Corrib Ltd and environmental consultant Peter Sweetman.
    Mr Fahey said he believed there was strong public support in Galway for the project. “It is my firm belief that the growth and development of Galway city will be negatively hindered unless this vital piece of infrastructure is allowed to proceed and soon,” he said.
    “Once completed, it will be a critical part of the integrated transport plan that will enable Galway city to have a high quality public transport system,” he said. There was a “silent majority” in support of the road project, he said.
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/1013/1224256511213.html


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,110 ✭✭✭KevR


    "It is a genuine attempt on my part to show the enormous significance of this project to the people of Galway,” he told The Irish Times .
    The billboards, which state that the “Galway city outer bypass starts here” and attach Mr Fahey’s name,

    It is true that this project is enormously significant for everyone living in Galway and trying to highlight this significance would be commendable..... It's a pity he decided to attach his name and make the whole thing tacky & motivated for self gain.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 31,117 ✭✭✭✭snubbleste


    I'm delighted to see the County Council takes complaints from the public seriously in relation to unauthorised signage/litter and not just bow to political pressure.


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