Samurai Swords now banned

lostexpectation · 02-09-2009 06:04PM

the people who have any way sharp 'ornamental' samuri swords should be encouraged to dispose of them via police station amensty or, be required to register them and pay a yearly fee for the pleasure because there no need to have em.

meanwhile the few martial artists who used them should also be allowed to keep them once registered and licensed

Dyr · 02-09-2009 06:10PM

lostexpectation wrote: »

the people who have any way sharp 'ornamental' samuri swords should be encouraged to dispose of them via police station amensty or, be required to register them and pay a yearly fee for the pleasure because there no need to have em.

Sez fecking you, if thats the case you've "no need to have" kids so ye should be doctored I reckon. I'm not paying taxes so people can rear potential criminals off my money. Here, have a rolleyes :rolleyes:

Kess73 · 02-09-2009 06:15PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Well in all fairness the gov are probably just trying to nip this in the bud before it becomes too much of a problem. If they didn't ban them and a year in the future some chap gets split down the middle by an authentic one... everyone would be ah fuk sake useless shower of wan*ers didn't do anything about it until now....:rolleyes:

Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

Authenthic ones are not being banned, it is the replicas that they are banning. The same replicas that are normally blunt and made of a low caste metal that shatters easily.

So they are banning the ones that can do little or no damage.

As many have said on here it is just an attempt by this inept government to make out that they are doing something useful.

Maybe a better idea would be to actually leave people who use knives, guns etc for crimes in prison for proper lengths of time, rather than having them out straight away on suspended sentences or getting a slap on the wrist for it.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 02-09-2009 06:51PM

gavney wrote: »

HOWEVER
...

- given death of someone dying from wensleydale- likelihood of backlash for Dermot Ahern to deal with= small

This lack of accountability amoung our government ministers needs to be dealt with :pac:

Manic Moran · 02-09-2009 07:27PM

lostexpectation wrote: »

the people who have any way sharp 'ornamental' samuri swords should be encouraged to dispose of them via police station amensty or, be required to register them and pay a yearly fee for the pleasure because there no need to have em.

I'm not entirely sure you've figured out the whole 'free country' business.

You're not supposed to have to justify everything you do. It's up to the government to justify why you can't do something.

As many have said on here it is just another attempt by this inept government to make out that they are doing something useful.

Fixed.

Still pissed about the firearms licensing changes.

NTM

BaconZombie · 02-09-2009 07:42PM

Can somebody {probably from TCN} please bet a politician to dead using only an other politician as a club-type device?

That way we can ban politician and everyone will be much happier.....

karlog · 02-09-2009 07:49PM

Whoever passed this stupid law should commit 'seppuku'.

Hauk · 02-09-2009 07:57PM

This is incredibly annoying that they banned them. I haven't seen the legislation itself, but I find "samurai swords" to be so vague.

I'm a pretty big Lord of the Rings fan, and bought a replica of Aragorns ranger sword for my wall about two years ago. I did my research back then, and I was within the law buying it and having it delivered. It was delivered to my house like any normal package, and I enjoy it as an ornament.

I'm not even sure if the sword I have is encompassed in the new legislation.

And to be honest, I just think the government are working their way through the alphabet. At the moment they are working through the "S"'s, and next it will be telescopes and trowels.

Crazy backwards country.

K-Ren · 02-09-2009 08:04PM

Hauk wrote: »

Crazy backwards country.

Yeah, why can't we and our 12th century murder weapons just be left in peace?

Nodin · 02-09-2009 08:08PM

Manic Moran wrote: »

I'm not entirely sure you've figured out the whole 'free country' business.

You're not supposed to have to justify everything you do. It's up to the government to justify why you can't do something.

And as theres no protection against kneejerk reactions legislatively, yes they will, in short order, without hope of repeal.

Hauk · 02-09-2009 08:16PM

K-Ren wrote: »

Yeah, why can't we and our 12th century murder weapons just be left in peace?

Pretty much.

Nodin · 02-09-2009 09:01PM

K-Ren wrote: »

Yeah, why can't we and our 12th century murder weapons just be left in peace?

they had replica Swords in the 12th century?

Praetorian Saighdiuir · 02-09-2009 09:05PM

Havent you guys heard????????

The recession is OVER!!!

Apparently banning samurai swords was the solution to all Ireland major problems!

Biggins · 02-09-2009 09:10PM

Meh - If I see a Fianna Fail TD at my door (be it Lisbon Treaty or Referendum), they're personally going to get at least one of mine with a lot of passion behind it!

...Ok I'm joking. Besides the sod might just keep it and flog it for a few quid more seeing as they are so poorly looked after by the state. The miserable broke good chaps they are! :rolleyes:

yawn · 02-09-2009 10:01PM

cherryghost wrote: »

Right... so banning samurai swords will do what now? I normally dont see young punk kids flailing around samurai swords injuring each other, nor do I recollect any incident whatsoever in Ireland regarding samurai swords. I think its just plain stupid tbh. Opinions?

There was one incident in Tallaght around october i think in 2007. Some guy went around about midnight attacking people on way home from pubs etc. Only reason i remember was cos i was working in the pub that night and we all warned by the guards to make sure to get taxis home etc no one to go walkign even if they lived only 5 mins away

/EDIT

I didn't read too far along the page

Dyr · 02-09-2009 10:12PM

Bambi wrote: »

Help a brother out here, my memory not's what it used to be but the only sword based murder i can think of right now was in ballymun years ago, or is this some other murder?

Yeah ..eh still waiting on this horse...where did this sword murder happen??

MikeC101 · 03-09-2009 03:42AM

Bambi wrote: »

Yeah ..eh still waiting on this horse...where did this sword murder happen??

From http://www.oxygen.ie/page/1227

Calls for samurai sword ban from man who had head chopped off in Finglas

The survivor of the country's last horrific sword attack, Eric Buggy, has spoken out about the dangers of swords. Mr. Buggy, 38, thoroughly supports a sword ban as he believes what happened to him could happen to others and the next victim might not be so lucky. Mr. Buggy also brings the full weight of the support group the "Decapitated Peoples League" (DPL) with him and his comments have been welcomed by other concerned citizens. These calls have come on the back of a recent sword attack, which was also in Finglas.

To understand why Mr. Buggy's comments are so important one must first understand Mr. Buggy's terrible ordeal. A full account of the attack (and subsequent recovery) is given in his book "Heads or Tales?" and the following are extracts from it: "I was in the car-park of a cash and carry doing nothing one Saturday night at 4AM.... when I was approached by a gang of young fellows and anyway.... They said that I was a rat and I responded that I was only having a mess but..... Fat Hano (currently serving 8 years in Wheatfield) pulled out a massive samurai sword. ‘Ah here!’, I exclaimed as the sword went for me neck".

Thankfully Mr. Buggy’s headless body managed to call for an ambulance, which promptly arrived at Finglas as fast as it could; four hours latter Eric Buggy and his head were admitted to James Connolly Memorial Hospital.

A re-attached Mr. Buggy soon became a spokesperson for the anti-sword lobby in Ireland. In May 2006, he started the DPL with a Nigerian man who was quartered but was also successfully reattached. "Swords have to be banned before this happens again", read Eric Buggy's statement on the DPL website, "I was lucky.... I only lost a head. Someone could lose a thumb or even an eye".

Mr. Buggy added that samurai swords are also very dangerous as people may only have seen them used in martial arts films. "Too many people in Finglas have seen the films... and try to cut through trees and deflect bullets with their swords”, the statement continued "(t)his has lead to a rise in gun deaths and deforestation."

Mr. Buggy's headstrong campaign to see a ban on swords in Ireland will not go unnoticed by the government. This man bravely faced down a sword attack in the past and survived it with only minor decapitation - will the next victim be so lucky? The Spanner certainly hopes that James Connolly Memorial Hospital will never have to reattach another head that has been removed by such violent means.

Fiachra O’Neill

I don't see why you want "facts" anyway. Facts can prove anything.

Someone thinking they remember somebody saying something about a possible murder or something with a samurai sword or something a few years back or something is good enough for me.

A sword has never been used to kill anyone in Ireland? Why then it's surely only a matter of time before one is used! We must act now and ban these advanced weapons of mass destruction!

(the only one I've ever heard of / read about is the one in finglas involving the hand removal)

Edit: Someone in Fermoy was cut on the hand, sorry "received a serious injury to their hand" according to this http://www.corkman.ie/news/man-injured-in-samurai-sword-attack-1695270.html

DigiGal · 03-09-2009 03:49AM

Ah **** I have one....ah well

soundsham · 03-09-2009 04:19AM

suppose hurling will make a come back

brendansmith · 03-09-2009 04:29AM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Can somebody {probably from TCN} please bet a politician to dead using only an other politician as a club-type device?

That way we can ban politician and everyone will be much happier.....

SILLY!

DamoDLK · 03-09-2009 04:36AM

Sean_K wrote: »

That's ridiculous, swords have barely been built to do damage since guns were invented (which have in turn been surpassed by a whole array of weaponry). The only people that use swords are probably the nutters in the Vatican (and even that's jsut for show)....

Don't be ridiculous, the point about it is that the object can do damage, the government are acting on now before, better made fake swords are made available for legitimate purchase.

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

What you have yet to decide? Since when did you have a right to decide my affairs? Stay out of other people's business you nosy paternalist. (:rolleyes:)

Swords are ornaments first, weapons second, just as knifes are tools first, weapons second.

You are not the arbiter of what an ornament is and isn't.

You need to CHILL man...
I Didn't really claim to be - I was playing devils advocate on behalf of the Legislator, Judiciary.
The legislator will determine what's best for the community at large and as long as civil will opposes them (the sword), then there is no moving them (the government) on the position. I'm waiting for the legislation to be published before we will know what exactly will be affected. Because I simply don't know. Nor did i claim to.

Kess73 wrote: »

Authenthic ones are not being banned, it is the replicas that they are banning. The same replicas that are normally blunt and made of a low caste metal that shatters easily.

So they are banning the ones that can do little or no damage.

As many have said on here it is just an attempt by this inept government to make out that they are doing something useful.

Maybe a better idea would be to actually leave people who use knives, guns etc for crimes in prison for proper lengths of time, rather than having them out straight away on suspended sentences or getting a slap on the wrist for it.

Again until the legislation is put in the public domain we can't be sure on the provisions relating to ownership, public possession, procurement etc etc... But i'm in full agreement with you re: the prison durations. Repeat offenders clog up the system so theres obviously a flaw some where along the line. Personally i'm in favor of California's 3 strike principle. But then all the human rights people would have different opinions.

MikeC101 · 03-09-2009 04:40AM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, the point about it is that the object can do damage, the government are acting on now before, better made fake swords are made available for legitimate purchase.

Modern replicas (I assume that's what you mean by "fake" swords) are as good as they'll ever be - there are not going to be new "better made" swords becoming available in the near future. The more you pay, the better they are, generally.

DamoDLK · 03-09-2009 04:52AM

MikeC101 wrote: »

Modern replicas (I assume that's what you mean by "fake" swords) are as good as they'll ever be - there are not going to be new "better made" swords becoming available in the near future. The more you pay, the better they are, generally.

Well what if there is a demand for a better made replica? how can anyone pre empt what demand might occur?

I remember when i was about 15 one of my mates bought a pellet gun in spain and brought it home, pretty good example of a pellet gun in fact.
Another mate went to jonesborough and bought an air rifle for 110stg. same idea, load pellets into it and away you go, It was a maniac gun he could load the metal pellets into it ffs! The point i'm making is they were being developed to be more powerful and thus capable of doing more damage.

MikeC101 · 03-09-2009 05:02AM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Well what if there is a demand for a better made replica? how can anyone pre empt what demand might occur?

Essentially, swords have already evolved over the centuries, and peaked as regards their destructive power and effectiveness. Steel can only be so sharp, and of a certain quality. I don't really know what you mean by a "better made replica", you seem to think swords can somehow be made more powerful? I'm telling you replicas already exist from el cheapo imitations all the way to perfect replicas, as high quality as technology allows. There's not going to be any kind of massive improvement in sword technology.

DamoDLK wrote: »

I remember when i was about 15 one of my mates bought a pellet gun in spain and brought it home, pretty good example of a pellet gun in fact.
Another mate went to jonesborough and bought an air rifle for 110stg. same idea, load pellets into it and away you go, It was a maniac gun he could load the metal pellets into it ffs! The point i'm making is they were being developed to be more powerful and thus capable of doing more damage.

How would a sword be made more powerful though?

I'm assuming you mean sharper?

The reference to pellet guns is hardly valid, all sorts of calibres and different powers exist, even across the spectrum of pellet guns, gas powered, spring powered.

A sword is essentially a piece of sharpened steel, there's not really anything more we can do to improve on them.

DamoDLK · 03-09-2009 05:04AM

MikeC101 wrote: »

How would a sword be made more powerful though?

I'm assuming you mean sharper?

The reference to pellet guns is hardly valid, all sorts of calibres and different powers exist, even across the spectrum of pellet guns, gas powered, spring powered.

A sword is essentially a piece of sharpened steel, there's not really anything more we can do to improve on them.

Not necessarily sharper, perhaps less prone to shattering? It appears from pervious posts that shattering is an issue.

EDIT: BTW my knowledge of swords is that of a layman. But from descriptions of Katanas etc etc, there appears to be different ones available, thus the comparison is somewhat valid.

MikeC101 · 03-09-2009 05:22AM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Not necessarily sharper, perhaps less prone to shattering? It appears from pervious posts that shattering is an issue.

The cheap crap thats out there (usually masquerading as katanas - seems to be a more popular purchase) is a lot more prone to breaking alright. But the replica industry is pretty big, and there's a massive range there. I should point out that I'm not really disagreeing with your point on swords having the ability to kill / maim, I'm just saying that ability is already pretty much at it's peak, and has been for a long time. Though I don't know that better quality = more dangerous, once you're past the bottom tier of quality they're fairly effective as weapons.

To be honest, I'm not sure that a sword less prone to shattering is all that much more dangerous than one that isn't, unless the wielder is fighting off legions of armoured men.

DamoDLK wrote: »

EDIT: BTW my knowledge of swords is that of a layman. But from descriptions of Katanas etc etc, there appears to be different ones available, thus the comparison is somewhat valid.

A katana is fairly well defined.

But it's hard to point to one type of sword as being more dangerous than another. It's a little easier with guns where, as a (admittedly often inaccurate) rule of thumb, bigger calibre is seen as more "powerful" and dangerous.

Whereas I'd feel safe in saying a pellet gun is less dangerous than a 12 gauge shotgun, I wouldn't know if a katana is more or less dangerous than a rapier, or a saber more dangerous than a falchion.

Manic Moran · 03-09-2009 05:40AM

In the meantime, I note today that California has just passed a law mandating that police be trained on how to deal sensitively with Sikhs carrying Kirpans. (their religious knives, which are worn openly).

There is no law preventing carrying swords openly in California. (Actually, you can carry firearms openly as well, but you're going to attract police attention)

NTM

kraggy · 03-09-2009 07:10AM

cherryghost wrote: »

So heres the deal, they ban samurai swords in Ireland, thats fair enough I suppose, but people that have them generally have them as an ornament, am I right??

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0901/samurai.html

Right... so banning samurai swords will do what now? I normally dont see young punk kids flailing around samurai swords injuring each other, nor do I recollect any incident whatsoever in Ireland regarding samurai swords. I think its just plain stupid tbh. Opinions?

Karl Hungus wrote: »

Yep, I have quite a few swords as ornaments, including a set of samurai swords, and know a lot of people who also have them for ornaments. Banning them is exactly the kind of nonsense knee-jerk reaction I've come to expect from Irish government.

Or maybe for once our government is actually not waiting for something tragic to happen before making a move and actually being proactive.

Just because you have them as ornaments doesn't mean other people will hold them with the same respect.

DamoDLK · 03-09-2009 07:17AM

kraggy wrote: »

Or maybe for once our government is actually not waiting for something tragic to happen before making a move and actually being proactive.

Just because you have them as ornaments doesn't mean other people will hold them with the same respect.

My point exactly.

Nodin · 03-09-2009 08:16AM

kraggy wrote: »

Or maybe for once our government is actually not waiting for something tragic to happen before making a move and actually being proactive.

Just because you have them as ornaments doesn't mean other people will hold them with the same respect.

So that Priest that was clubbed to death with a candlestick a few years back....that mean we're waiting on a candlestick ban?

Samurai Swords now banned

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