Samurai Swords now banned

Nodin · 02-09-2009 03:28PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Prevention - far better cure?

Then no man under the age of 30 shall drive a car again?

Daroxtar · 02-09-2009 03:29PM

So can i keep my Klingon Bat'leth?

http://www.uberreview.com/wp-content/uploads/batleth.jpg

It sh!ts on samurai swords to be honest.

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:30PM

Nodin wrote: »

Then no man under the age of 30 shall drive a car again?

Incomparable example.

Cars, like kitchen knives, have a useful purpose. Unlike swords... which don't really anymore.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 02-09-2009 03:34PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Incomparable example.

Cars, like kitchen knives, have a useful purpose. Unlike swords... which don't really anymore.

What about Sikhs?

I hope this law doesn't include Kirpans because that would be downright discrimination.

Nodin · 02-09-2009 03:34PM

But people die on a rather horribly regular basis via cars, while imitation Katanas etc...well, not at all, really.

Nodin · 02-09-2009 03:35PM

Sean_K wrote: »

What about Sikhs?

I hope this law doesn't include Kirpans because that would be downright discrimination.

And Masons, with the swords etc......

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:37PM

Sean_K wrote: »

What about Sikhs?

I hope this law doesn't include Kirpans because that would be downright discrimination.

Nodin wrote: »

But people die on a rather horribly regular basis via cars, while imitation Katanas etc...well, not at all, really.

Nodin wrote: »

And Masons, with the swords etc......

Methinks ye are all just having a laugh now??

[-0-] · 02-09-2009 03:43PM

This country is the laughing stock of Europe. Seriously. We should be ashamed of ourselves. **** this I'm leaving.

Smart Bug · 02-09-2009 03:43PM

Look, the point (really) is this: folk will kill folk. Banning swords, knives shotguns, rifles, pistols, bananas shaped like pistols, sharp scissors, square paper etc will not change this. Folk kill folk. Sad but true. Build a fukkin bridge, get over it, and let us non-murderous folk keep our swords.

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:44PM

Smart Bug wrote: »

Look, the point (really) is this: folk will kill folk. Banning swords, knives shotguns, rifles, pistols, bananas shaped like pistols, sharp scissors, square paper etc will not change this. Folk kill folk. Sad but true. Build a fukkin bridge, get over it, and let us non-murderous folk keep our swords.

Good synopsis.

Nodin · 02-09-2009 03:46PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Methinks ye are all just having a laugh now??

Nope. If the possibilty of death is cause for banning, and you can ban something that could cause a death, then logically things that can, will and do cause death have to go. Drink, for instance. Apart from health issues, its fuel on the fire in many a manslaughter or murder case. Cars, we've done and kitchen knives......Its all grounds for a Banfest of jinormous proportions.

MikeC101 · 02-09-2009 03:50PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Civil Liberty Does not equal Weapons; vis the sword.

I have a historical interest in swords - European, though - from the 1100s to the 1500s, as part of a wider interest in the era.

I read articles and books about them, I've done some limited research.

I go and look at them in museums.

I'd like to own some replicas to have on display in my home, and to show people (particularly with a view to letting folk know they didn't weigh 30 pounds).

Now though, despite never having killed or attacked anyone with said replicas, I'm told I can't have them anymore - not because there is a problem with sword attacks, but that in case there is in the future, and my owning the replicas might somehow lead to a "sword culture" or some other BS.

Seriously, what?

I wouldn't even mind if I needed a license, no criminal background, whatever, to own one.

But an outright ban?

(however I'm still not fully aware of exactly what the ban will entail)

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:53PM

Nodin wrote: »

Nope. If the possibilty of death is cause for banning, and you can ban something that could cause a death, then logically things that can, will and do cause death have to go. Drink, for instance. Apart from health issues, its fuel on the fire in many a manslaughter or murder case. Cars, we've done and kitchen knives......Its all grounds for a Banfest of jinormous proportions.

Wrong. simple as.

The primary function of a sword is to do damage..
The primary function of a car is to take the occupants to their destination.

Your "LOGIC" in the traditional sense is wildly obscure.

Wazdakka · 02-09-2009 03:55PM

[-0-] wrote: »

This country is the laughing stock of Europe. Seriously. We should be ashamed of ourselves. **** this I'm leaving.

+1

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:58PM

MikeC101 wrote: »

I wouldn't even mind if I needed a license, no criminal background, whatever, to own one.

But an outright ban?

(however I'm still not fully aware of exactly what the ban will entail)

Look, from reading the above - your clearly not the type to go around wielding the thing in the GPO, or the nearest ulster bank.. the problem is that there are people who would given the chance.

Until the legislation is put in the public domain we can only speculate on the provisions.

For the record. I personally have no issue with any of you guys owning weapons of any kind. As long as your accountable for it. Police checks, Licensed etc..

redshoulder · 02-09-2009 04:04PM

Weren't the samurai swords for sale in shops ornamental. So they have a blunt edge and are useless for cutting.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 02-09-2009 04:10PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Wrong. simple as.

The primary function of a sword is to do damage..
The primary function of a car is to take the occupants to their destination.

Your "LOGIC" in the traditional sense is wildly obscure.

That's ridiculous, swords have barely been built to do damage since guns were invented (which have in turn been surpassed by a whole array of weaponry). The only people that use swords are probably the nutters in the Vatican (and even that's jsut for show).

The only reason swords are built now is as ornaments, for martial arts and as religious or cultural symbols.

ChocolateSauce · 02-09-2009 04:11PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Well considering I have yet to determine what ought to be included in the Accountability provision, I can't say. Off the top of my head - You (being anyone) would be persecuted for the rest of your life - WHY DID I BRING THAT DAMN THING INTO MY HOUSE????

What you have yet to decide? Since when did you have a right to decide my affairs? Stay out of other people's business you nosy paternalist.

Civil Liberty Does not equal Weapons;

Swords are ornaments first, weapons second, just as knifes are tools first, weapons second.

You are not the arbiter of what an ornament is and isn't.

rubadub · 02-09-2009 04:12PM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Anybody got a link to the actual wording and definition of a "Samurai Sword" in the bill?

Thats what I'm wondering about. In a thread ages ago I mentioned the fact that you could probably freely walk down grafton street with a large blade as long as it appearred to be a kitchen knife in a bag with a receipt, this was back after the introduction of bans on carrying knives of a certain length. Since if it is banned to carry a knife over a certain length then it is illegal to bring it home from the shop.

So all you have to do is paint a few tomatos and onions on the handle of your samurai knife and all of a sudden its a kitchen knife.

The ban does not apply to hand-carved swords made before 1954.

Or scratch "made in 1953" on it, that renders it useless :rolleyes:

biko · 02-09-2009 04:46PM

So if you bring the sword in to a Garda station, will they take it off you for destruction? Is there like an amnesty, like there was in UK?

gavney · 02-09-2009 04:51PM

Sean_K wrote: »

What if someone in the future is battered to death with a block of wensleydale?

BAN IT NAAOOOO

If someone was battered to death with a block of wensleydale then noone would say with hindsight "oh, the government should have banned wensleydale". If someone gets killed by a samurai sword, then yes someone will come along and say "oh, the government should have banned samurai swords".

I'm not saying that samurai swords need to be banned- but what I AM saying is that I understand why Dermot Ahern would want to prevent himself from a backlash.

In short- the likelihood of someone dying from samurai sword= small
- the likelihood of someone dying from block of wensleydale = small

HOWEVER

- given death of someone dying from sword- likelihood of backlash for Dermot Ahern to deal with = large

- given death of someone dying from wensleydale- likelihood of backlash for Dermot Ahern to deal with= small

GLaDOS · 02-09-2009 04:56PM

I'm totally getting a samurai sword with blasphemous utterings etched into it. FU Ahern!

It wasn't me! · 02-09-2009 04:56PM

Look, to assume the design parameters is ridiculous. Even within knives and swords, there are enormous differences, and you can't consider them as one.

Here is one of my rifles:

Anschutz

Its sole purpose is to win Olympic gold medals. That's what it's designed to do. Not kill things. To assume it's intended to kill things is a logical fallacy.

Here is another one of my rifles:

Sako

It's intended to kill things. Specifically, deer. I know this because I know about the rifles. For you to assume anything about either without the information I have would be a logical mistake.

In addition, here is a knife I use for hunting. It's designed in such a way that it can be used for the dispatch of animals where necessary. It's designed in part for killing things, in other words. So should it be banned?

Overheal · 02-09-2009 05:02PM

[-0-] wrote: »

This country is the laughing stock of Europe. Seriously. We should be ashamed of ourselves. **** this I'm leaving.

I'll meet you in the Netherlands.

karlog · 02-09-2009 05:13PM

Great another stupid solution from are stupid government.

I have 2 samurai swords on display in my house. Although there sharp, they have been only used for display purposes. Theres no way in hell i'm just gonna stroll to the garda station and hand them in. The swords are staying right where they are. Whatever the consequence.

If the government is concerned about knife crime, why not bring in stricter laws. As far as i know you need a license/no criminal record to own a rifle. If thats the case for a gun, why not a sword, why a stupid ban? I'd gladly go through the process of obtaining a license for the right to own my swords.

*uck this country.

Fallen Buckshot · 02-09-2009 05:44PM

bottom line is if someone wants to kill doesnt matter if its banned or legal or weather its a samurai sword or an ice pick .. the deed will be done

DublinDes · 02-09-2009 05:49PM

Cann't a fella carrying a samurai sword just claim he's heading to a Karate club or something ? There's too many weapons around Dublin these days ,a samurai sword was used to attack a man in a pub in Finglas last year and he lost his hand in the attack. No kidding, the trial was in the papers last year.

Smart Bug · 02-09-2009 05:56PM

DublinDes wrote: »

Cann't a fella carrying a samurai sword just claim he's heading to a Karate club or something ? There's too many weapons around Dublin these days ,a samurai sword was used to attack a man in a pub in Finglas last year and he lost his hand in the attack. No kidding, the trial was in the papers last year.

For the love of... that was one attack, a year ago. How many have there been in total? It's actually impossible to tell, but since each attacke is dragged through the rags, and it's bloody hard to find records of them in Internet searches, would it be safe to say that it's a pretty damn low percentage of assaults are carried out by a sword wielder? ffs.

Daroxtar · 02-09-2009 05:56PM

DublinDes wrote: »

No kidding, the trial was in the papers last year.

Really? No, are ya serious?

So you'll read the newspapers but not the first page of this thread?:)

karlog · 02-09-2009 06:03PM

DublinDes wrote: »

Cann't a fella carrying a samurai sword just claim he's heading to a Karate club or something ? There's too many weapons around Dublin these days ,a samurai sword was used to attack a man in a pub in Finglas last year and he lost his hand in the attack. No kidding, the trial was in the papers last year.

Well a samurai sword is a collectors item as well as a weapon. Just as a kitchen knife is a cutting tool as well as a weapon, in my opinion. They've banned flick-knives, machetes and knuckle-dusters, which i had no objection to. Since there not considered collectors items at all, there purely weapons.
Just because some scumbag went crazy with a samurai sword doesn't mean they should be banned. That would at least call for stricter laws, not a bloody ban.

Also if you carry a sword in public you deserve to be arrested, for being criminally stupid.

Samurai Swords now banned

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