Samurai Swords now banned

FruitLover · 02-09-2009 01:40PM

brendansmith wrote: »

With my intensive karate training, my fists are weapons.

Yore ma's a weapon.

Smart Bug · 02-09-2009 01:42PM

FruitLover wrote: »

Yore ma's a weapon.

Your razor sharp wit is a weapon.

whitetigerkungf · 02-09-2009 01:52PM

this ban is rubbish and the responses of some of the people on here show their ignorance. Fist off nearly all those "samurai sword" attacks reported in the papers were in fact attacks with a machete. Samurai sword sells more papers. Second the ban is on curved swords so you can still buy machetes or whatever if you were so inclined. Third as was already mentioned most blade attacks in the republic are kitchen involve ordinary kitchen knives which cant and wont be banned. And lastly I practice iaido so i do need a sword to train with, its not a piece of cheap crap the likes of which people have hanging on their walls. And those wall hangers wouldn't cut anything anyway. Not every one who owns a samurai sword is a scum bag who bought it in Spain on a budget holiday beacuse they thought it was cool.

This is typical populist politics bullsh*t that has nothing to do with reality. It is another example of the government trying to look as if it is doing something useful.

Wazdakka · 02-09-2009 01:54PM

FruitLover wrote: »

Yore ma's a weapon.

AHHHHaaaaaaaaa...

I think that might be the funniest thing i have ever read on boards...

But seriously..

pipeliner · 02-09-2009 01:56PM

i wonder if they will have a samurai sword inspector ad?

"We heard them all, your excuses dont work, wait what?? You chopped my head off?? Oh no, i need that to live!!! Take this as a warning then, next time im confiscating it"

gavney · 02-09-2009 02:06PM

Obviously this ban is a bit of a joke

BUT to be fair to Ahern etc... they're protecting themselves- I don't know if there has been serious incidents in the past with a proper samurai sword. But what if there IS in the future- then for every person that would criticise this ban NOW there would have been TWO people criticising him for NOT banning them.

So, he seems to have two reasons for this ban 1. To protect himself from future criticism (why I think is fair enough- I think most people would do the same) 2. To make himself look good NOW (which actually makes him look bad)

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 02-09-2009 02:16PM

gavney wrote: »

Obviously this ban is a bit of a joke

BUT to be fair to Ahern etc... they're protecting themselves- I don't know if there has been serious incidents in the past with a proper samurai sword. But what if there IS in the future- then for every person that would criticise this ban NOW there would have been TWO people criticising him for NOT banning them.

So, he seems to have two reasons for this ban 1. To protect himself from future criticism (why I think is fair enough- I think most people would do the same) 2. To make himself look good NOW (which actually makes him look bad)

What if someone in the future is battered to death with a block of wensleydale?

BAN IT NAAOOOO

It wasn't me! · 02-09-2009 02:22PM

It's a stupid law and will achieve nothing. The sharpest blades I've ever owned or used are my hunting knives, easily capable of cutting paper or shaving with. They're not getting banned, nor should they be, so why should a particular wall ornament be banned?

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 02:31PM

Nodin wrote: »

'But what if' again....

We know for a fact that a certain number of people - to maybe with 10 or so of the final total - between 17 and 25 will die in a given year on the roads. We don't ban cars.

Your not comparing like with like - such logic - Swords v cars ffs? sure in that case and with that mentality we may all roll up and die cause AIR is bad for you.. corrosive on the lungs and all that....

If people want to have them in their sitting rooms - as long as they are accountable for them, I suppose i don't really have too much an issue.
(IF THEY ARE 100% ACCOUNTABLE)

BaconZombie · 02-09-2009 02:36PM

Anybody got a link to the actual wording and definition of a "Samurai Sword" in the bill?

Need to check if it's still ok for my to carry around my Double-Headed Axe and Barbarian Sword?

Moojuice · 02-09-2009 02:39PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

corrosive on the lungs and all that....

Humans did not evolve to breathe a corrosive gas. Maybe pollutants IN the air are corrosive.........I have an ornamental sword. Blunt as butter but I am not going to hand it over to the cops, they would laugh me out of the place if I did.

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 02:41PM

http://www.bailii.org/ie/legis/num_act/2009/

Doesn't seem to be there yet..

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 02:43PM

Moojuice wrote: »

Humans did not evolve to breathe a corrosive gas. Maybe pollutants IN the air are corrosive.........I have an ornamental sword. Blunt as butter but I am not going to hand it over to the cops, they would laugh me out of the place if I did.

Moojuice - I wouldn't advocate that you (you being anybody) should. AS long as you (again you being anybody) are fully responsible for the thing. Even if it falls into some gombeens hands.

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 02-09-2009 02:45PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Moojuice - I wouldn't advocate that you (you being anybody) should. AS long as you (again you being anybody) are fully responsible for the thing. Even if it falls into some gombeens hands.

Would you be happy to be held responsible for your kitchen knives if someone made off with them?

Neamhshuntasach · 02-09-2009 02:46PM

MikeC101 wrote: »

A Garda I know said he was at a crime scene where in a pub somewhere in Dublin last year where a scumbag had his hand chopped off by another scumbag wielding a samurai sword.

I mean, I'd imagine the scumbag would have stuck him with a kitchen knife / carpet knife / piece of wood if he didn't have the sword.

But there's not going to be much of a lobby opposing the banning of samurai swords, so it's a nice easy way to pretend the Govt are doing something, make a few speeches, confiscate a few swords, and so on.

Yeah that was in the Deputy Mayor i think. In Finglas.

Wazdakka · 02-09-2009 02:49PM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Anybody got a link to the actual wording and definition of a "Samurai Sword" in the bill?

+1

Does it cover all of the family?
Tantó
Wakizashi
Katana

What elso does it cover?

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 02:50PM

Sean_K wrote: »

Would you be happy to be held responsible for your kitchen knives if someone made off with them?

FFS is everyone in here incapable of comparing like with like?? are u thick or what???

Do u need a samurai sword? NO
Do u need knives in the kitchen? YES

COP THE FUK ON.

Wazdakka · 02-09-2009 02:56PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Do u need a samurai sword? NO
Do u need knives in the kitchen? YES

Do we need a government trying to babysit us? NO

Nodin · 02-09-2009 02:59PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

FFS is everyone in here incapable of comparing like with like?? are u thick or what???

Do u need a samurai sword? NO
Do u need knives in the kitchen? YES

COP THE FUK ON.

But people aren't killed on a regular basis with swords or purpose made daggers/fighting knives...Kitchen knives, however, are a different ball game.

And seeing as you can buy pre-cut meat, why shouldn't they be banned, should we take the 'YOUSE CAN'T BE TRUSTED' route.

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:02PM

Wazdakka wrote: »

Do we need a government trying to babysit us? NO

Look, if people feel the need to own weapons that is fine.. whatever, if they are no rules governing the ownership of these weapons - who is accountable for them?
If you allow one type of sword to be legally bought and sold, precedence could may well be set, allowing the purchase and procurement of other such lethal weapons. Thats my point.

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:05PM

Nodin wrote: »

But people aren't killed on a regular basis with swords or purpose made daggers/fighting knives...Kitchen knives, however, are a different ball game.

And seeing as you can buy pre-cut meat, why shouldn't they be banned, should we take the 'YOUSE CAN'T BE TRUSTED' route.

I am clearly advocating primarily for accountability.

People aren't killed with swords on a daily basis or otherwise. Its great that society hasn't fallen to that place. Lets keep it that way.

BaconZombie · 02-09-2009 03:09PM

But what do you do when all your "kitchen" knives are dirty?

Example : http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p60/BOFH139/HPIM0473.jpg

DamoDLK wrote: »

FFS is everyone in here incapable of comparing like with like?? are u thick or what???

Do u need a samurai sword? NO
Do u need knives in the kitchen? YES

COP THE FUK ON.

ChocolateSauce · 02-09-2009 03:10PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Moojuice - I wouldn't advocate that you (you being anybody) should. AS long as you (again you being anybody) are fully responsible for the thing. Even if it falls into some gombeens hands.

SO if someone broke into your house and murdered your family using one of your knifes, should you be held responsible?

Edit: I see it was said already. Well, two people independently coming up with the exact same metaphor should hit twice as hard then!

People aren't killed with swords on a daily basis or otherwise. Its great that society hasn't fallen to that place. Lets keep it that way.

And they've been legal this whole time!

Someone who can't spell "you" should be accusing anyone of being thick.

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:12PM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

But what do you do when all your "kitchen" knives are dirty?

Example : http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p60/BOFH139/HPIM0473.jpg

Well obviously if your going to use you Katana :eek: for cooking thats fine!!!

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:17PM

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

SO if someone broke into your house and murdered your family using one of your knifes, should you be held responsible?

Edit: I see it was said already. Well, two people independently coming up with the exact same metaphor should hit twice as hard then!

Well considering I have yet to determine what ought to be included in the Accountability provision, I can't say. Off the top of my head - You (being anyone) would be persecuted for the rest of your life - WHY DID I BRING THAT DAMN THING INTO MY HOUSE????

Nodin · 02-09-2009 03:18PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

I am clearly advocating primarily for accountability.

People aren't killed with swords on a daily basis or otherwise. Its great that society hasn't fallen to that place. Lets keep it that way.

Something hasn't happened!!!!!!!

Lets Stop It Now!!!!

Go Us!!!!!!!!!

Next week - How to report to the Government to be covered in bubble wrap. Because you never know.

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:20PM

ChocolateSauce wrote: »

Someone who can't spell "you" should be accusing anyone of being thick.

...? u/you whatever - stop being silly.

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:20PM

Nodin wrote: »

Something hasn't happened!!!!!!!

Lets Stop It Now!!!!

Go Us!!!!!!!!!

Next week - How to report to the Government to be covered in bubble wrap. Because you never know.

Prevention - far better cure?

Thomas_S_Hunterson · 02-09-2009 03:23PM

DamoDLK wrote: »

Prevention - far better cure?

Indeed, screw civil liberties. Who needs them?

DamoDLK · 02-09-2009 03:24PM

Sean_K wrote: »

Indeed, screw civil liberties. Who needs them?

Civil Liberty Does not equal Weapons; vis the sword.

Samurai Swords now banned

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