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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,214 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    If they feel belittled then it's their fault for taking it too seriously :)

    Ever since I got given out to by walkers I encountered on Carrauntoohill before for going up it without hiking boots (we were wearing trail walking shoes), I make it a mission to shock as many as possible by running past them on rough terrain wearing nothing but shorts, top and runners :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    I saluted three walkers who had just arrived- kitted out with enough stuff to climb Everest. I always feel a bit uneasy encountering walkers. It's all in my head, but I know I'd feel my walking achievement belittled if I arrived on some summit, with backpack, poles, boots, wooley hat, etc., to find some guy in shorts and singlet who's just ran up it...

    I lol'd :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Circuit of Glenmacnass

    I had high hopes for this race, figuring I'd have a chance of a 6th, 7th,8th sort of placing, to go with my 7th from Ballybraid, and thus move up the ranking in the Leinster Championship. I was basing this on the fact that the field can be sparse on this longer race (19k), and its notorious for people going astray, which I figured my recent recce would help me avoid. About 30 or 40 set off on a very misty day, visibility was going to be very poor up on the mountains. I took a few (legal!) shortcuts through vegetation, and caught up with the leaders after a k or so. Once we got onto Brockagh, the mist and cloud were thick, so runners started to go astray at this early stage. I followed the leading pack a bit, until I felt they were going off course, and my compass was backing up this hunch, so I ceased my chase and took off down another track. Managed to get back to the proper Brockagh West summit, and set off for Tonlagee. I was mainly relying on my compass for direction, and thankfully I managed to find the racing paths I had from my recce. Hit the climb for Ton, and again everything was going to plan.
    But at the summit, confusion reigned! You could hardly see two meters ahead, and runners had maps out, one guy darted off down to the left, I took my line from Wednesday's line of stones, and set off down the hill. Down the exact path two runners were doubling back up! This was a bit disconcerting, but the compass had been working so far, so I figured I'd trust it, and bolted down. Wasn't too long before I got a bad feeling, and I mulled over climbing back to the summit (like the other two) and trying again. But in the heat of a race, its all too easy to push ahead, and before long I was lost. I figured I'd gone the wrong way round the lake, and was progressing cautiously because I knew there was a steep drop into the lake somewhere about (and I was still running in a cloud). After maybe 10 minutes of wilderness, I knew I had DNF'ed the race, and my compass told me I was way off. I got to some high ground to see if I could scout any landmarks, and just saw a road in the distance through the cloud. It might have been the road to Glenmacnass waterfall, so I ran towards it. As I passed a group of 12 or so middle aged hikers, I asked them was this the road to the waterfall?
    -Frank, Frank, is this the road to the waterfall, he want's to know?
    -Which waterfall? said Frank, happy to show off his navigation skills to his group.
    -Glenmacnass, says I
    -O, you're way off. WAY off, says Frank, thrilled to have the chance to put someone right; this is the Wicklow Gap!
    -Alright, cheers, I said, and ran off towards the road, with a bleating chorus of delighted harpies repeating "WAY off! Way off!" as I ran past.

    Either this is Karma biting me in the ass for what I said about hikers a few posts back, or just proves my point that hikers are lower down the pecking order and have a chip on their shoulder...;)

    Anyway, I hit the road, recognized where I was, and head off for Laragh. Along the way I went via St Kevin's trail, which I'd never done before, very nice. No consolation for how bad I felt handing back my number, and getting a DNF recorded though:mad: In summary, its my own fault, I'm pi$$ed because I was felling great on the top of Ton, and was confident of a good place, but fell victim to my own stupidity. It's going to be a long year waiting to put this result right... and now I need to run well at Mount Leinster AND Fraughan Rock Glen, in order to get a decent score in the championship.
    Stupid, stupid, stupid. About 30k 28k in total.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,102 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Not like you Paul - but put it down to experience and motor on!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    BeepBeep67 wrote: »
    Not like you Paul - but put it down to experience and motor on!

    Cheers, that's about all I can do!

    I'm doubly pi$$ed now, I'm studying the contours of the map now at home, versus my compass bearings, and I did take the correct route of Tonlagee after all, shoulda just went with my gut instinct, instead of doubting when I saw the two guys walking up. I then went too far east, and got lost, and ended up doubling back. GRRR!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,214 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    I think you were the guy I called back at one point on the way to Brockagh West :) (I had just realised my own mistake at that point).

    Problem with over-relying on the compass is the grid lines on the Harvey's map point to True North I think rather than Magnetic North so you need to add about 6 degrees of correction. Made a disaster of the route to Tongalee, was all excellent fun though. Roll on the navigational challenge series :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Stark wrote: »
    I think you were the guy I called back at one point on the way to Brockagh West :) (I had just realised my own mistake at that point).

    Thanks for that Stark! It was a mess up there, nothing to see at all.
    Stark wrote: »
    Problem with over-relying on the compass is the grid lines on the Harvey's map point to True North I think rather than Magnetic North so you need to add about 6 degrees of correction.

    Bingo! That's a basic navigation error I made then. All the times I used to compass to mimic my recce bearings, worked, and all the times I used the compass off the map, had an error. I've been scratching my head trying to work out how I went wrong off Ton, those few degrees would have given me the correct angle to the waterfall. Ah well, as you say, roll on the Nav challenge!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Sorry to hear that. Very easily done with those conditions to be honest. I think everyone had route problems today of one sort or another, except for Bernard and Leo. Bernard I believe said the route was very clear all the way and Leo hung behind him all the way for grim life. Adrian Tucker (who would run this route in his sleep) was 3rd.

    I had some minor nav issues on the day. In a race for 19k I managed to do 21k. Given the low cloud, nav issues were always going to be likely and when I head Joe in the pub after saying he couldn't find the track heading off Brockagh that made me feel better (as that was the one thing I did do right).

    My first mistake was 'following the leader' off the 1st Brockagh peak only to find ourselves on a diminishing path, way to the right of the ridge we should have been running. So, it was a bit of an effort to make the ridge-line through the bracken. I could see you just ahead at this point. Heading off Brockagh the path was evident, but my shoe got sucked off by the mud again(twice in 2 races that). Took some force to get the shoe back from the mud's grasp, but lost time there again. While you headed off left towards Ton, I steered right, but too right and again had to waste time getting back left through some messy bog. Saw you at the bottom of Ton when you went the left route again. I headed straight up, very very slowly. Found the trig point, took a bearing and headed off. I was joined at this point by another runner, I think of the orienteering sort. We steered right of Lough Ouler but the path we had found then ran out and we were left running through bog and long grass. We ended up over cooked out eastwards direction and hit the forest to the right of Glenmacnass and had to work our way back, for a slippery descent to the river. The water and jellies here were most welcome. I'd no idea of my place in the race at this stage (I didn't want to know really), but as I was leaving the car park about 4 other runners were arriving for their half way check. I was very slow going up Scarr. In the low cloud, more and more climb kept revealing itself. Even the descent off the other side I was slow with flagging energy levels. I felt certain I'd be caught. My time at the end was poor. 2hrs 30mins, but while it was marginly better than last year it was still good enough for 5th. I was wasted at the end, and I was happy to revive my energy levels with some grub in Lynams.

    I waited a year to correct my nav error off Tonlegee last year. Happy to have done that, despite the crappy conditions. You'll do the same next year and be all the better for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Great result there SJ, well done! It was weird bumping into you on three occasions prior to Tonlagee. Buy us a pint some day and i'll show you those short cuts I took:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Since Glenmacnass I departed for a camping trip to France, enjoying much wine and good food, along with some splendid cycling trips along the promenade of St-Jean-de-Monts, and then the Loire valley at Saurmur. Since this is a training log, I'll spare the minutae, and just say that I ended up running a grand total of 30k, about 15 of which were following girls on the beach:D, and from sleeping on an air matress, my legs and achilles tendon in particular, were very tight.

    Also I discovered what a Decathlon store is, and bought up half the place. It was a pleasure to browse through a proper sporting goods store that contained 0% skangers. Boycott the sports stores here, if you've never shopped Decathlon, you'll never know what you're missing! The quality! The prices!!:pac::pac:

    So I got back on Friday and set off the next day for the Mount Leinster race, a highlight from last year. From the start I felt good, although I wore compression tights for the first time owing to the ongoing tightness in my legs. For the first few k uphill I was going well, holding plenty back, yet up around better runners than me. But as the climbs progressed, the legs got tighter, and I had to walk a few stretches. The better runners got away from me, but no matter, I was looking forward to the summit and a good descent.

    When the turnaround came, I felt good physically, and bade my time going back accross the bog, waiting for the great downhill that was to come. Once I hit the big descent, I knew something was wrong, as my achilles was hurting real bad. After a disappointing few races, I was determined to do a bit better today, and sucked up the pain, figuring I'd be finished soon, and relled in the runner ahead. Keeping a good pace going, I reached the final gate a couple of k from home, and picked off another guy, a local who would be more used to road running. As I went by him, the RD Graham Porter called encouragement to the local guy to not let me away (they're from the same club). The tendons were screaming by now, but otherwise I felt good, and was even relishing a RR fighting me on the final trail descent. As I upped the pace an iota, I heard this almighty POP! and fell to the ground, my leg kicking in spasm beside me. I knew I had done some serious damage, and Graham ran down and massaged the leg for a while. I was determined to finish, after CofG DNF, so hobbled down the final 2k, using a stick as a crutch. The two runners I had passed on the downhill had got by me as I lay on the ground (both stopping to see if I was ok, thanks lads!), and I was astonished that only JLang passed me otherwise as I limped the final sections (great run BTW John, you'll get a lot better next year!). As I approached the finish line, I could hear footsteps closing in hard, so I ditched the stick, and sprinthobbled to the finish, managing a dead heat with Cormac O'Cealligh, now there's a fella who knows how to kick a chap when he's down;)! (I told him after that I'd do the same to him:))

    The end result was another disappointment, I can hardly walk now and will be out of action for quite some time. The first aid treatment I got at the end was second to none, once again IMRA shows its colours, its a great organization from start to finish.

    C'est la Vie!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,523 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Really sorry to hear that, dnhop. I hope the recovery is fast and easy.
    Helped me greatly - cycling and swimming (and if you can stomach it, strength exercises and weights will see you coming back with good form).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 610 ✭✭✭figs


    The end result was another disappointment, I can hardly walk now and will be out of action for quite some time.

    Bad luck with that... sounds like a nasty one. Take it easy and hope you recover soon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    You ran very well today on the back of pretty much zero training recently. I'm confident that you'll come back better than ever. Rest easy and come back strong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,515 ✭✭✭jlang


    I think your local adversary was the only other descending runner I saw on the way down. He was definitely flying when he passed me just after the top (he'd passed me on the way up too, but I'd un-passed myself and I had a small lead at the summit). I'm not quick on rough ground but I was very impressed at how within no time he disappeared into the distance.

    Later I could see by how fast I was gaining on you that you were in a bad way but I must say I was shocked to see you barely moments later in a sprint for the line. I suppose that's how adrenaline can take over from rational behaviour which could well have been to continue writhing in agony. Hope the damage doesn't take you out of action for too long, but be careful not to rush the recovery when you're back walking again. It is curious that the worst injury I've seen on a mountain actually happened on a relatively smooth section.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    That looks painful
    I wish you a quick recovery


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,102 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Sorry to hear that DoNot, heres to a speedy recovery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Woddle wrote: »
    That looks painful
    I wish you a quick recovery
    I'm now stuck on about 950 miles in the challenge- you said early on you were gunning to beat me... now's yer chance!:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    I'm now stuck on about 950 miles in the challenge- you said early on you were gunning to beat me... now's yer chance!:D

    I reckon I have you so, unless you do a Ron Hill :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Ok, so its almost four weeks since my injury, and I finally got out for a jog tonight. 5 easy k, with my kids on their bikes for company, worth waiting for. Since I moved from barfly to runner three years ago, the running bug has implanted itself firmly. There's levels of addiction/obsession, and mine was I'd say middling, about the level where you plan your summer holidays around races. If the OH complains about the dates, you'd change them, but not without letting her know she owes you, big time. Like, you've got a pass for a brief affair, should the opportunity present itself.

    Anyway, I never knew what an outlet running is to me, until I lost it. The physio said no running for 4-6 weeks, so I stuck to that, and even now I'm going back cautiously. I pooped a muscle in my calf, it seems better now, I've still a bit of soreness around the achilles tendon, and walk with a strange gait (other muscles compensate). In the back of my mind, I had considered a sneaky DM entry, thats out the window now. I've entered a 10k mid Sept, but there won't be any pb's there. From following other logs here in the past, it can be a big problem coming back too soon, so in that way I'm lucky in that the IMRA season is over now, and I've no real goals to tempt me back too quick. I'll take it handy for the next few weeks.


    And then run 19.18 for the 200m, or become an archer in the process:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,102 ✭✭✭BeepBeep67


    Welcome back - listen to the body and enjoy for a while.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Nice and easy does it. It'll be good to have you back.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    BeepBeep67 wrote: »
    Welcome back - listen to the body and enjoy for a while.
    Nice and easy does it. It'll be good to have you back.

    Cheers lads, I will most definitely be taking it easy for the first few weeks. I would *hate* to rush back and be faced with another month or so off. Anyone here who is running, doesn't realize how lucky they are- I nearly went mad on my layoff. I kept up a bit of exercise all right, but also drank nearly a bottle of (very nice French red from my holliers:D) wine a night, just to keep the heebie-jeebies at bay! I'd prefer to keep that to the weekend and run off the stress midweek! Anyway, here's to running in the cold air with a headtorch soon...*hic!*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    I've the new dog to run with to protect us on the night forest runs :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,095 ✭✭✭--amadeus--


    DP in Rotterdam: "I will never run another marathon"
    Me: "Ah you say that but you will, wait and see"
    ...In the back of my mind, I had considered a sneaky DM entry...

    :D

    Glad to hear you're on the way back, it must have driven you mad being stuck in the house.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    DP in Rotterdam: "I will never run another marathon"
    Me: "Ah you say that but you will, wait and see"

    It's still 1/nil to me in the wise-old-foreseeing-sage stakes, but I don't know for how long.

    Anyway, it won't be this year, I'm still taking baby steps. The leg was hurting a bit from last week, so I kept off it a few days. No matter what, the desire is to lie to yourself that you can come back from injury too soon. In the back of my mind, I had myself starting a four week 10k program by now:rolleyes:, instead, I swam 1.5k in the local pool yesterday, and managed an easy 5k jog this evening. Lovely to drink that fresh autumnal air that's coming down. I may have to take out the bike for some long spins this week.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 638 ✭✭✭Rusty Cogs 08


    welcome back dp. Good to see you on your feet (and running) again. Looks like my ultimate plan to catch you on the 1000 mile challenge will fall short ;)

    making me jealous with the wine stories, I'll be looking forward to a guilt free drop after Berlin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,523 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    I'm almost jealous... Almost.. I'm sipping on a bottle of erdinger non-alcoholic beer.. It tastes like beer. It looks like beer... But it's just...not....beer...

    Enjoy the wine, and the chilled return to to running!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭MCOS


    Good to see you back on your feet, mind how you go now... achilles is a serious one you don't want re-occurring


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Got in my longest run yet, an easy 8k with a few small hills. Really just wanted to test the leg a bit. I felt good most of the way around, it is great to be running again, but I turned around for home before the 8k turned into a 14k loop- just as well because the leg started to tighten a bit before home. I was stiff after, but not too much pain today. Reckon I'll be babying this ankle for a while!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,523 ✭✭✭✭Krusty_Clown


    Well done. You'll be back up to full speed/distance/climb in no time, as long as you maintain the 'turn-back before you hurt yourself' wisdom.


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