do you wish you had died for ireland

If we were invaded again and black at tan treatment was being handed out and the irish were being treated the way we were, would i fight for ireland? of course i would, and although it seems like a big commiment, i think a lot of people would surprise themselves if their country, familly and friends were relying on people to stand up and fight.

Obviously I'd prefer not to die, but would accept the risks involved.

Would I join the IRA and murder innocent people to make a statement? Absolutely not.

Hamiltonion wrote: »

I wouldnt take a sh!t for Ireland, the country can burn for all I care, my only loyalty is to family, friends and myself.

That's usually how most people are conned into going to war for bankers and big business.

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magilly wrote: »

Die for country ?

Tbh... you have to look at the situation that people where in then and even how Catholics were treated in the north till only in recent years,
Im sure we would think differently if you and I were treated like **** by foriegn rule.

Its all too easy to say "Lol IRA scum" "Would i **** fight for my country" when you have never needed too.

Yep, a lot of the IRA monster was created by the British establishment, the RUC, the UDR, the British Army and hardcore unionists/loyalists.

The IRA and the SAS fought each other to a standstill, the Legion - and feel ashamed of themselves as they are gone beyond recovery. That is their psychological profile. I think we should leave all this RIGHT NOW. I want to leave it there, in the Past.

tarbuck wrote: »

YouTube of Cutting Crew - I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight

So would this be our new national anthem?

(I think the lead singer buys his clothes in the same place as John Bender.)

We'd have to translate it into Irish... Gotta keep the token gestures going.

Fuair mé bás i do ghéaga anocht
Caithfidh gur rud éigin a dúirt mé a bhí i gceist...

Oh of course - natural progression and all that. Where there is wrong done, there will be retaliation. One of the reasons I'd be hesitant to back the idea of a united Ireland (although my heart wants it) is the threat of a loyalist backlash. And you could apply the very same logic to the campaign of violence on the other side. I don't think there should have been any violence at all, but I suppose when catholics are being harassed for decades (e.g. getting burned out of their homes), discriminated against, treated as inferior (you know, by people like you, thelastditch - I've spotted your nasty anti Irish bile, thankfully nobody has let you rile them up too much. Long may it continue ); when there is vote-rigging, when there is grotesque sectarianism at an institutional level... the less pacifist are bound to get mad.

Also, I love how the term "fascist" is so readily trotted out to describe the provos - yes, they were murdering bastards, but "fascism" has a specific meaning. It tends to get thrown out as just a synonym for "bad" or "awful" in this context.
Plus, loyalist paramilitaries are aligned with actual fascists, including hardcore NF offshoots - you must be so proud...

Not everybody who died fighting British rule died 'for old little green mother Ireland'

It's a serious disservice to the men and women of the Irish Citizen Army, the Irish Republicans who fought for socialism and democracy in Spain, "the men of no property" in 1798 and men like Liam Mellows (who was executed by old little green mother Ireland) to think everyone buired in a Citizen Army or Volunteer uniform did it for 'the country' and not another, more serious cause.

I wouldn't have died for Irelands 'August Calling' or whatever poetic bollocks was being peddled at the time, but plenty of people who did die didn't die for that either.

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In relation to the above talk of Provos and fascism, the Provisional IRA was anti-fascist in its politics, quite clearly too. Its aim (in its own words) was a 'Democratic Socialist United Ireland' I'm not an Irish nationalist, but I also hate hearing the word fascist chucked about to describe very paramilitary group under the sun because they killed people. Blowing up kiddies at war commemerations was something I dont think in line with the action of 'Democratic socialist republicans' though

Plus, loyalist paramilitaries are aligned with actual fascists, including hardcore NF offshoots

A few years back some BNP activists came over to meet up with Nordie Loyalists. They wanted a tour of East Belfast, and apparently the loyalist paramilitaries were making frantic phone calls to have the Israeli flags taken down from loyalist housing estates!

Plus, loyalist paramilitaries are aligned with actual fascists, including hardcore NF offshoots

And lets not forget the fact that certain loyalist paramilitary groups were funded by Apartheid South Africa during the 1980s

Google 'ten thirty three' and get the book - all is revealed. It would go nicely alongside 'Bandit Country' as a more rounded view of the history of the Troubles

Kernel wrote: »

Die for Ireland? Not likely. Dying for my family, for my values, for something worth fighting for is different. Ireland is just another nation, if the Chinese invaded and took over, and it didn't impact my way of life directly, then why would I bother dying for it?

What's with the rise of ill-conceived romantic Irish nationalism these days? Disillusionment with the globalist corporate capitalist system (understandable since it failed the people) and the emergence of the new world order of superstates eh? Perhaps we'll have our own Hitler or Franco soon!

Why do you hate Ireland?

Where did Kernel say (s)he hates Ireland?