do you wish you had died for ireland

mountainyman

i was just listening to kevin barry on youtube and i remember that when the hunger trikes were on i promised myself i would join the IRA to fight for Ireland when I was 16. but when I was 15 the IRA mortar bombed the memorial service in enniskilen. now i wonder if i was wrong to hate the IRA after all?

So did anyone here once love then hate the IRA? Should we have killed for Ireland regardless? I love Ireland but I didin't believe hat I shluld do things I knew were evul 4 ilrelNd ? was that weak? becoz the english have no problem being evil.

someone has to do the dirty work so was the IRA campaign justified even if they bad things?

kumate_champ07

mountainyman wrote: »

i was just listening to kevin barry on youtube and i remember that when the hunger trikes were on i promised myself i would join the IRA to fight for Ireland when I was 16. but when I was 15 the IRA mortar bombed the memorial service in enniskilen. now i wonder if i was wrong to hate the IRA after all?

So did anyone here once love then hate the IRA? Should we have killed for Ireland regardless? I love Ireland but I didin't believe hat I shluld do things I knew were evul 4 ilrelNd ? was that weak? becoz the english have no problem being evil.

someone has to do the dirty work so was the IRA campaign justified even if they bad things?

im not gonna say those 3 letters but I think you should head to bed and call it a night.

mattfender

id rather not kill or die...

seanybiker

I would murder for my family.
Would I murder for my country : no.
Do I think my country is worth dying for? No.
I look after my family and I worry about them. I dont worry about things out of my control

indough

Patriots always talk of dying for their country, but never of killing for their country

Bonavox

Put it simple:

The IRA is the Irish Republican Army. Not the IRA you see today. They're dirty gangsters. Michael Collins and his men battled with the worst and scummiest country and took most of their counties back.

These are the people that fought for our rights we have today, and took down some dirty as*holes along with them!

Bonavox

indough wrote: »

Patriots always talk of dying for their country, but never of killing for their country

Have you been playing Call Of Duty 4 recently?

indough

Bono Vox wrote: »

Have you been playing Call Of Duty 4 recently?

haha, i havent in a while but that is quite a famous quote, i didnt remember it from that but good spot by you

i did recognise a few quotes from it when i watched a documentary on robert mcnamara recently though, as in the game quoted him, obviously

Bonavox

indough wrote: »

haha, i havent in a while but that is quite a famous quote, i didnt remember it from that but good spot by you

i did recognise a few quotes from it when i watched a documentary on robert mcnamara recently though, as in the game quoted him, obviously

Oh right, was only playing it tonight lol. Must have stuck out haha

eamonpendergast

mountainyman wrote: »

i was just listening to kevin barry on youtube and i remember that when the hunger trikes were on i promised myself i would join the IRA to fight for Ireland when I was 16. but when I was 15 the IRA mortar bombed the memorial service in enniskilen. now i wonder if i was wrong to hate the IRA after all?

So did anyone here once love then hate the IRA? Should we have killed for Ireland regardless? I love Ireland but I didin't believe hat I shluld do things I knew were evul 4 ilrelNd ? was that weak? becoz the english have no problem being evil.

someone has to do the dirty work so was the IRA campaign justified even if they bad things?

I like to think of myself as patriotic, I personally think Michael Collins is a hugely important Irish figure (and a figure that I admire greatly) but I'd also rather not get shot at (for country or for an ideal).

I've always found it interesting that I accepted the travesties that the Irish committed during the war of Independence, but at the same time condemn other countries for doing likewise. At the end of the day; we committed acts of terrorism and possibly invented the modern version of it (I'm not a history buff if I'm wrong on this point!)

My personal beliefs are: Murder is unjustifiable except in defence of ones own life or in defence of someone else's. However I also believe that no person should have to bow to a foreign ruler simply because an army forces us to do so (I'm great at sitting the fence, right?).

I can't deny that I agree with the original cause of the IRA but I don't agree with their methods and never will, they lost their way a long, long time ago...

To call yourself 'weak' for not agreeing with the current tactics on the "Real IRA" is silly, they have stopped fighting a war of 'patriotic ideals' and instead fought a war of 'ignorace and blind religious hatred' for years now, in my opinion at least... They resemble nothing of their original intent.

The Walsho

I would in my bollocks.

Bonavox

eamonpendergast wrote: »

I like to think of myself as patriotic, I personally think Michael Collins is a hugely important Irish figure (and a figure that I admire greatly) but I'd also rather not get shot at (for country or for an ideal).

I've always found it interesting that I accepted the travesties that the Irish committed during the war of Independence, but at the same time condemn other countries for doing likewise. At the end of the day; we committed acts of terrorism and possibly invented the modern version of it (I'm not a history buff if I'm wrong on this point!)

My personal beliefs are: Murder is unjustifiable except in defence of ones own life or in defence of someone else's. However I also believe that no person should have to bow to a foreign ruler simply because an army forces us to do so (I'm great at sitting the fence, right?).

I can't deny that I agree with the original cause of the IRA but I don't agree with their methods and never will, they lost their way a long, long time ago...

To call yourself 'weak' for not agreeing with the current tactics on the "Real IRA" is silly, they have stopped fighting a war of 'patriotic ideals' and instead fought a war of 'ignorace and blind religious hatred' for years now, in my opinion at least... They resemble nothing of their original intent.

I agree 100%

The IRA of today are no comparison to the brave men of 1916.

meglome

Could I just get slightly scuffed for Ireland?

indough

meglome wrote: »

Could I just get slightly scuffed for Ireland?

you mean like, grazed or something?

Run_to_da_hills

If you died for Ireland and Lisbon gets through your death would be all in vein.

Like hell I would die for the EU superstate. :rolleyes:

Chips Lovell

I'd die for a Federal Europe. Ireland? Meh.

Jesus Wept

The Walsho wrote: »

I would in my bollocks.

This.
With a few lol's thrown in for good measure.

Hagar

"The Objective in war is not to die for your country, but to make the other (guy) die for his." - PATTON

WeeBushy

I'd rather not die at all.

The most I would do is fall and scrape my knee. I think that's pretty brave cuz knee scabs are really really sore.

stovelid

This dying business is a bit anachronistic isn't it?

There is already a wide-range of tasteful, branded sportswear with which to express one's patriotism.

thomond2006

IRA = Idiotic Retarded Assholes


/runs

tarbuck

Funny how when the economy is getting worse that the IRA suddenly start nudging themselves back into the picture. Coincidence?

OP, Go support some football team if you feel that you need a pointless cause to rally behind.

Rebelheart

thomond2006 wrote: »

IRA = Idiotic Retarded Assholes /runs

Is that not a bit of a tautology?

AckwelFoley

The difference in the IRA between now and 1916 is..


they made a film about Michael collins, called simply "michael collins"..

If they were to make a film about the IRA today it would be called "Boyz in the Hood""...


...oh wait, thats already taken

tarbuck

snyper wrote: »

The difference in the IRA between now and 1916 is..


they ade a film about Michael collins, called simply "michael collins"..

If they were to make a film about the IRA today it would be called "Boyz in the Hood""...

Dumb and Dumber is taken as well

omahaid

I dunno. I think that sort of thing is over rated. Am I willing to die for any cause? Prob not, i've only one life and im scared of giving it up

magilly

Die for country ?

Tbh... you have to look at the situation that people where in then and even how Catholics were treated in the north till only in recent years,
Im sure we would think differently if you and I were treated like **** by foriegn rule.

Its all too easy to say "Lol IRA scum" "Would i **** fight for my country" when you have never needed too. The IRA today are nothing but gangsters (Although there have been some vigilanty groups going round up here in the North sorting out druggies and the like... cant really fault them as the PSNI are useless...) but those that fought for our country in times of trouble and hardship, i am proud of.

Turd Ferguson

I would kill for a quarter pounder with cheese right now

If somehow we were invaded, id fight and die for the defence of our country and people but the governement can suck my nut.

aDeener

tarbuck wrote: »

Dumb and Dumber is taken as well

many things can be said about the 'ra but one thing they were not is dumb.

Takk

LittleNipper wrote: »

If somehow we were invaded, id fight and die for the defence of our country and people but the governement can suck my nut.

I dunno, if we were taken over and got some roads and a decent public transport system out of it, I'd let them have the country.

Hamiltonion

I wouldnt take a sh!t for Ireland, the country can burn for all I care, my only loyalty is to family, friends and myself. Think that FF or ANY government give a damn about you as an individual?

Kalashnikov_Kid

Takk wrote: »

I dunno, if we were taken over and got some roads and a decent public transport system out of it, I'd let them have the country.

Maybe they'll employ you as one of the Paddys to build it all

Joey the lips

Could you not have fought for the IRA and lived instead! A dead marther does not make babies.(and have a good time trying:))

Latchy

I would die for a pint of guinness

Actually that's a lie ,i wouldn't

[Jackass]

If we were invaded again and black at tan treatment was being handed out and the irish were being treated the way we were, would i fight for ireland? of course i would, and although it seems like a big commiment, i think a lot of people would surprise themselves if their country, familly and friends were relying on people to stand up and fight.

Obviously I'd prefer not to die, but would accept the risks involved.

Would I join the IRA and murder innocent people to make a statement? Absolutely not.

Takk

Kalashnikov_Kid wrote: »

Maybe they'll employ you as one of the Paddys to build it all

Employment! Hooray! All hail our new overlords!

An Fear Aniar

Hamiltonion wrote: »

I wouldnt take a sh!t for Ireland, the country can burn for all I care, my only loyalty is to family, friends and myself.

That's usually how most people are conned into going to war for bankers and big business.

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DrumSteve

I wish I died in your arms tonight.

Musta been summit you said.

OOOOooooooHHHHH.

Dudess

magilly wrote: »

Die for country ?

Tbh... you have to look at the situation that people where in then and even how Catholics were treated in the north till only in recent years,
Im sure we would think differently if you and I were treated like **** by foriegn rule.

Its all too easy to say "Lol IRA scum" "Would i **** fight for my country" when you have never needed too.

Yep, a lot of the IRA monster was created by the British establishment, the RUC, the UDR, the British Army and hardcore unionists/loyalists.

johnl

Ah yeah.

tarbuck

DrumSteve wrote: »

I wish I died in your arms tonight.

Musta been summit you said.

OOOOooooooHHHHH.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dOwHzCHfgA

So would this be our new national anthem?

(I think the lead singer buys his clothes in the same place as John Bender.)

Fremen

The IRA can go **** 'emselves.
Ghandi did it just fine.

jingx3

The IRA and the SAS fought each other to a standstill, the Legion - and feel ashamed of themselves as they are gone beyond recovery. That is their psychological profile. I think we should leave all this RIGHT NOW. I want to leave it there, in the Past.

Latchy

DrumSteve wrote: »

I wish I died in your arms tonight.

Musta been summit you said.

OOOOooooooHHHHH.

I was gonna post that one to

johnl

tarbuck wrote: »

YouTube of Cutting Crew - I Just Died In Your Arms Tonight

So would this be our new national anthem?

(I think the lead singer buys his clothes in the same place as John Bender.)

We'd have to translate it into Irish... Gotta keep the token gestures going.

Fuair mé bás i do ghéaga anocht
Caithfidh gur rud éigin a dúirt mé a bhí i gceist...

thelastditch

I think Loyalist Paramilitaries felt they had no choice but to take the war to Irish Republicans and the community that supported them (mainly northern working class Catholics). In fact, if they hadn't done so, then The IRA campaign might well have continued. Obviously there will be those on here who say, "oh no, all that violence was terrible", and yes, they'd be right, it was terrible. But put yourself in the position of an Ulster British patriot who saw his country being torn apart in front of him by ruthless Republican fascists, littering the ground with the mutilated corpses of innocent men, women and children and ask yourself, what you would have done in their place?

Thank God the line held.

Lest we forget.

Dudess

Oh of course - natural progression and all that. Where there is wrong done, there will be retaliation. One of the reasons I'd be hesitant to back the idea of a united Ireland (although my heart wants it) is the threat of a loyalist backlash. And you could apply the very same logic to the campaign of violence on the other side. I don't think there should have been any violence at all, but I suppose when catholics are being harassed for decades (e.g. getting burned out of their homes), discriminated against, treated as inferior (you know, by people like you, thelastditch - I've spotted your nasty anti Irish bile, thankfully nobody has let you rile them up too much. Long may it continue ); when there is vote-rigging, when there is grotesque sectarianism at an institutional level... the less pacifist are bound to get mad.

Also, I love how the term "fascist" is so readily trotted out to describe the provos - yes, they were murdering bastards, but "fascism" has a specific meaning. It tends to get thrown out as just a synonym for "bad" or "awful" in this context.
Plus, loyalist paramilitaries are aligned with actual fascists, including hardcore NF offshoots - you must be so proud...

Rented Mule

I died a little for Ireland everytime I received my pay packet and saw what the government was taking out.

I just wish Linehan and Cowen would jump on a grenade, so they could be immortalised in song.

PrivateEye

Not everybody who died fighting British rule died 'for old little green mother Ireland'

It's a serious disservice to the men and women of the Irish Citizen Army, the Irish Republicans who fought for socialism and democracy in Spain, "the men of no property" in 1798 and men like Liam Mellows (who was executed by old little green mother Ireland) to think everyone buired in a Citizen Army or Volunteer uniform did it for 'the country' and not another, more serious cause.

I wouldn't have died for Irelands 'August Calling' or whatever poetic bollocks was being peddled at the time, but plenty of people who did die didn't die for that either.

----


In relation to the above talk of Provos and fascism, the Provisional IRA was anti-fascist in its politics, quite clearly too. Its aim (in its own words) was a 'Democratic Socialist United Ireland' I'm not an Irish nationalist, but I also hate hearing the word fascist chucked about to describe very paramilitary group under the sun because they killed people. Blowing up kiddies at war commemerations was something I dont think in line with the action of 'Democratic socialist republicans' though

FruitLover

thelastditch wrote: »

an Ulster British patriot who saw his country being torn apart

His country, eh?