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The cobbles are going!

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭Tricity Bendix


    j1smithy wrote: »
    I quite like the Bauhaus school of architecture, and I think this building fits in quite well in around Fellows Square, and finally closes it. If anything its the 1937 thats out of place, and has been discussed at length on other forums (Archiseek) about how it was misplaced. Having the new building designed in modern architecture is far better than a modern interpretation of classic. It would look false and cheap. I also think its good, and Trinity has as a history of this, of promoting Irish designed buildings. At the time the college took great pride in the Museum Bldgs Irishness. The campus is a unique canvas for presenting the best of this art in Ireland. I'm far happier an Irish firm got it than say an international superstar like Norman Foster (Not that they'd be interested in such a small project).

    It won't distroy the light into the arts block, its located north of it. It will probably increase the amount of light entering the building in fact through reflection. It may affect the 1937 though, but I can't recall there being much natural light in that building anyway.

    Unfortunately it is too late to complain. It would be nice if the Students Union included news about infrastructure in their emails and looked for student submissions. Those models for the new buildings were down in the city council offices for months, I wonder how many students knew that? The Record and Trinity News should also have covered it.

    Supporting bad Irish architecture only does this country a disservice. The best thing Trinity could do for Irish architecture would be to demand excellence, not accept mediocracy.

    Edit: I thanked Cantab. I think I may be dumped soon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 605 ✭✭✭j1smithy


    Supporting bad Irish architecture only does this country a disservice. The best thing Trinity could do for Irish architecture would be to demand excellence, not accept mediocracy.

    Edit: I thanked Cantab. I think I may be dumped soon.

    There are some fine examples of good modern Irish architecture on campus. Ussher Library, Berkeley Library and Parsons Extension are three. True there are plenty of buildings that have little artistic merit, Simon Perry,the LLoyd and SNIAM being prime examples. I think a lot of the Arts blocks aesthetic problems are due a lot down to neglect. If the facade was cleaned every now and again it would look far nicer.

    When it comes to these projects, there is usually an architecture competition to see who wins the contract. Trinity can only accept what is submitted. And in general these designs are highly constrained by space height and especially cost. If we want Frank Geary on campus, well expect building costs to skyrocket.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,444 ✭✭✭Cantab.


    j1smithy wrote: »
    When it comes to these projects, there is usually an architecture competition to see who wins the contract. Trinity can only accept what is submitted. And in general these designs are highly constrained by space height and especially cost. If we want Frank Geary on campus, well expect building costs to skyrocket.

    Bah. Stinks of mediocrity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,510 ✭✭✭Tricity Bendix


    j1smithy wrote: »
    There are some fine examples of good modern Irish architecture on campus.
    This wont be one of them.
    When it comes to these projects, there is usually an architecture competition to see who wins the contract. Trinity can only accept what is submitted. And in general these designs are highly constrained by space height and especially cost. If we want Frank Geary on campus, well expect building costs to skyrocket.
    If people accept crap, they're going to continue to get crap. Personally, I think constructing another building on campus shud be expenve. ulngsmade on the cheap wont last and will be more expensive to maintain in the long run.

    You mentioned the Ussher library. The Ussher might look beautiful, but its horrifically designed. Architects design whatever they want, and clients just accept it. Anyone who has worked in a library could tell you that having a hollow building is not going to be condusive to study, especially when one of the floors is extensively used by library staff.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 124 ✭✭petrochemical


    Once again Irish architects prove they are the worst in the world. No aesthetics, whatsoever.

    Also a wheelchair path should be built on the rugby pitch for any invalids who want to play rugby, as is their undeniable human right. This falls under the United Constitution of Universal Liberal Happiness and Joy, as decreed by the World Court of all inclusive non-discriminatory positive action equality for all.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 605 ✭✭✭j1smithy


    This wont be one of them.


    If people accept crap, they're going to continue to get crap. Personally, I think constructing another building on campus shud be expenve. ulngsmade on the cheap wont last and will be more expensive to maintain in the long run.

    You mentioned the Ussher library. The Ussher might look beautiful, but its horrifically designed. Architects design whatever they want, and clients just accept it. Anyone who has worked in a library could tell you that havng a hollow building is not going to be condusive to study, especially when one of the floors is extensively used by library staff.

    Peoples interpretation of architecture can vary wildly, some think the Berkeley Library is ghastly and totally out of place between the museum and old librarys, others, myself included think its the finest example of brutalist architecture in Dublin, and has settled well into its surroundings though it should be maintained better at the front. This new building, "the cybertron," doesn't set the world on fire with its outstanding outlandishness. One could say Trinity/the architects should have been more daring, but that would probably have had even more detractors. The reason I like this design is that it fits the context well. Its modernity fits with the arts block.

    The lifespan of the building depends more on the quality of the build rather than the architectural design. Trinity has had problems with poor quality build in the past (substantial cracking in the Hamilton). Hopefully better oversight on its newer projects will prevent this happening again.

    The things that concern me about it is that it appears to be much like a tower. Unfortunately this is probably down to the constraints of the site. Contrary to Cantab. this design would have taken at least a day to mock up ;)

    For my final two years the Ussher Library 4th floor was my other home. I can't say I had a large problem with noise from the other floors echoing through the atrium. I found the space light and airy and a good place to work. I much prefered it to any of the other main campus libraries.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 605 ✭✭✭j1smithy


    Once again Irish architects prove they are the worst in the world. No aesthetics, whatsoever.

    Also a wheelchair path should be built on the rugby pitch for any invalids who want to play rugby, as is their undeniable human right. This falls under the United Constitution of Universal Liberal Happiness and Joy, as decreed by the World Court of all inclusive non-discriminatory positive action equality for all.

    I don't think theres a need for wheelchair path on the rugby pitch. Like after a week without rain that ground is harder than concrete! Its dangerous at times...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ✭✭✭ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI


    Anyone have any pictures of the crip strip they put in?


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    It's outside house 4. In an L shape. Doesn't make much sense really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭Señor Juárez


    First page of the thread,which you obv. didn't bother to read.

    It is an absolute travesty that the cobbles are being torn out in order to cater for the one or two students with a serious physical disability. Furthermore the buildings office will do the most atrocious, out of place, shoestring job that they can. Hell, it would have looked fine if smoothed bricks were put in, in the style of the cobbles. Instead cheaper granite slabs seem to be the way it is going.

    Surely it would be easier to just easier to sort out the unfortunate students with a wheelchair with thick, spongy tires that would make the cobbles like any other surface?

    I also seriously question the attitude of any person who will knowingly come to a 400 year old university with full knowledge that their course will require them to constantly travel over cobbles, and then demand to be accommodated via repaving!?

    Which raises another point... how many students actually need to travel over cobbled areas to get to their lectures?


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  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 8,305 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jonathan


    First page of the thread,which you obv. didn't bother to read.
    What?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ✭✭✭ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI


    Jonathan wrote: »
    It's outside house 4. In an L shape. Doesn't make much sense really.
    First page of the thread,which you obv. didn't bother to read.

    Haha, wow, so that ****ty little L shape is really all they're building? I guess I should be happy, it looks absolutely revolting so it's good they didn't tear up the middle of Front Square to put in something like this.
    It is an absolute travesty that the cobbles are being torn out in order to cater for the one or two students with a serious physical disability. Furthermore the buildings office will do the most atrocious, out of place, shoestring job that they can. Hell, it would have looked fine if smoothed bricks were put in, in the style of the cobbles. Instead cheaper granite slabs seem to be the way it is going.

    Yep..would it really have been bad just to put in smoother cobbles?
    Surely it would be easier to just easier to sort out the unfortunate students with a wheelchair with thick, spongy tires that would make the cobbles like any other surface?

    I also seriously question the attitude of any person who will knowingly come to a 400 year old university with full knowledge that their course will require them to constantly travel over cobbles, and then demand to be accommodated via repaving!?

    My attitude exactly, as can be seen in past threads. You can't just **** on old historical buildings for the sake of diversity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭Señor Juárez


    Jonathan wrote: »
    What?

    Was in response to ZVZ's post above you... I'm a very slow poster :)
    My attitude exactly, as can be seen in past threads. You can't just **** on old historical buildings for the sake of diversity.
    That said, I have no idea how much of this was driven by disability officer/disabled students, if any of it. It could all just be Government pressure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭mathew


    the cobbles were only laid in the 60s.. They're not that big a part of the college history..
    I do think they could have done a better job of it, and made it a bit nicer.. But i'm certainly for a path...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,536 ✭✭✭Mark200


    I also seriously question the attitude of any person who will knowingly come to a 400 year old university with full knowledge that their course will require them to constantly travel over cobbles, and then demand to be accommodated via repaving!?

    But the thing is that they shouldn't have to demand to be accommodated. They should be accommodated anyway.

    I haven't been down in Front Square in a few weeks, but is that L thing in the corner all they're doing?? I don't see what difference that thing is going to make. I thought the plan was to have smoothed over cobbles, which I thought would look good.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ✭✭✭ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI


    Mark200 wrote: »
    But the thing is that they shouldn't have to demand to be accommodated. They should be accommodated anyway.

    I haven't been down in Front Square in a few weeks, but is that L thing in the corner all they're doing?? I don't see what difference that thing is going to make. I thought the plan was to have smoothed over cobbles, which I thought would look good.

    I agree smoothed over cobbles would look nice, and I'm all for this! Any reason they went against this in the end?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 94 ✭✭Rorate Caeli


    mathew wrote: »
    the cobbles were only laid in the 60s

    This piece of hogwash is being accepted by far too many people. The cobbles are at least 100 years old. Have a look at Bailey's (and probably any other) college history.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 MattTheJap


    I must admit I was dead set against the idea of the path.
    After walking through front square yesterday however I have changed my mind.
    I didn't notice the path at all to be very honest.
    There was a lot of activity between the arts block and 1937 which did bother me though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 95 ✭✭jingx3


    Señor Juárez is absolutely right here. Those are quite legitimate concerns. I may need a rethink of this whole thing, but I'm just gonna give my opinion. It's a boycott. The SU has not concealed the removal of the cobbles, but nobody reads things until you go all sensationalist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ✭✭✭ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI


    This piece of hogwash is being accepted by far too many people. The cobbles are at least 100 years old. Have a look at Bailey's (and probably any other) college history.

    I'm confused, I found this picture of Trinity in the 50's, and there don't appear to be cobbles in this photo, though it does look like something was paved over.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/88051129@N00/3596704978/in/set-72157614357137275/

    Can you explain more?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 ✭✭✭tolosenc


    I'm confused, I found this picture of Trinity in the 50's, and there don't appear to be cobbles in this photo, though it does look like something was paved over.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/88051129@N00/3596704978/in/set-72157614357137275/

    Can you explain more?

    1950s Photoshop? :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,532 ✭✭✭Unregistered.


    It's supposed to end up summit like this.....

    UpperYardPaths.jpg


    right?



    Here are the plans for how they will be laid out:

    TrinityPavingProposal2009.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ✭✭✭ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI


    God..that looks horrible :/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 99 ✭✭Dongasaurus


    Has anyone ASKED any disabled people if they don't like the cobbles.

    They're not children!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭Señor Juárez


    The two diagonals across Front Square are the worst. They'll look terrible, and are completely pointless.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 485 ✭✭AlanSparrowhawk


    Anybody that puts aesthetics before accessability is a deeply selfish person.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ✭✭✭ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI


    Personally, I think what's horribly selfish is wanting to sacrifice a beauty that could potentially stand for hundreds years for a minute or two of wheelchair rolling time during one's brief sojourn in Trinity.

    Of course, it's questionable whether there were actually disabled people being selfish here, or if college do-gooders were just being selfish on their behalf.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 485 ✭✭AlanSparrowhawk


    it's some bloody stones on the ground, hardly a Van Gogh being truncated by the M50.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭The Walsho


    Anybody that puts aesthetics before accessability is a deeply selfish person.

    Exactly. I'm shocked at the opinions of people here. A few cobbles for god's sake. It's not just for wheelchairs, even people on crutches or whatever.

    Go watch someone struggle their way through front square and if that doesn't change your mind I genuinely fear for what sort of person you are.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,579 ✭✭✭Pet


    I reiterate: what's so bad about wheelchair paths? All these people harping on about tradition and antiquity. Cambridge University and its constituent colleges -- the very bastion of collegiate antiquity -- have wheelchair paths in all their colleges. And they look fine. In fact, they set the cobbles off more than if they weren't there at all. It can be done, and tastefully. So let's untangle those panties, dears.


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