The SirToYou "dignified discussion" with anything to do with Macau

phantom_lord · 11-08-2009 12:29am

Jayminator wrote: »

Something in the water in Cork I reckon. Why every time I read a Cork related thread is there some sort of entangled bitterness or gripe going on. Makes me want to never visit the place tbh.........

+1

Conbro · 11-08-2009 1:38am

Goodluck2me wrote: »

this and the craic about a pot having to be paid back the next day are two of the worst incidents ive ever heard about re: casino management.

wtf?

Kimba · 11-08-2009 2:20am

The Gaming Act in UK deregulated in September 2007. Licensed casino staff are allowed to play in other clubs now. Non-licensed staff (catering staff) were always allowed in other clubs. Tips are also now allowed in the UK, gaming tables and poker tables, although no casino (that I am aware of) has implemented this (yet). Once one does they all have to really. (This does not include poker only clubs).

You can not compare Irish casinos to UK casinos - two totally different things. If they bring in legislation in Ireland, based on UK Gaming Board, then most casinos and card rooms in the country will be shut down. Especially if they license staff individually like the UK.

And just for the record, I have a UK Gaming License also.

Dani

corkie123 · 11-08-2009 3:04am

mdiver wrote: »

There are many reasons why the Macau is failing and all of them are down to poor management and lack of understanding in the industry in which they operate and i really hope Sideshow and Gavin make a real success of their club. They have been on the wrong side of several barrings from the Macau and that is probably one of they key reasons they have for their venture, in fact the number of customers that have been barred by the Macau which any other casino would value as a good customer due to the amount of business they are good for makes no sense at all. When working within the gaming industry their are going to many people you dislike on a personal basis but you can't go barring your best customers for this reason when you should be doing all you can to retain them.
I believe that Cork is one of the only good spots in Ireland left to open a club as the Macua has made such a big mess of it. They have been running pretty much a monopoly in Cork but are in great danger if a half decent rival turns up and i hope that the new club is this rival. I also hope that they realise for a succesful club to work the table games have to be doing well. The guys running the new club know the size of the punters that are in Cork, epsecially the Chinese and if you know how to deal with the Chinese you will make a killiing. They will also know that the Macua didn't deal very well with the Chinese and struggled to keep them under control which puts off other customers from approaching the table games and there are a few good Irish punters knocking about in Cork too. At it's peak on the table game side about 4 years ago the Macau had more cash action than any other club in Ireland, this is the potential market for a new club in Cork and it is there to be exploited.

i dont know how u can say that .
the macou is one of the biggest clubs in ireland with a big player base .they also have a lot of irish and chinese players who play the tables all the time .now the chinese can be loud but that is there nature and the way they are .christ some of the irish are worse .
jesus sideshow was the loudest voice here for ages ,
if u think the macou is failing u need new glasses
as for a new club to take over from the macou i heard dermot desmond son has been around and is looking into opening a place here he has look in on a few places here and is coming back soon .

gormand · 11-08-2009 3:21am

An "incident" arose last week where a member ( and don't be using his name ffs ) of the Macau Sporting club was denied entry into their Cash League final ( for which he had qualified ) because he supplys a catering service to a rival establishment namely the Rebel Card Club aka The Bank Casino.

The reason given was that under UK Gaming legislation casino employees are not allowed on the premises of any other Licensed Gaming Establishments and in effect the Macau's Managements hands were tied and they couldn't even if they wanted to leave him play.

How come this guy was allowed to play enough times to quallify for the league, if theres then going to be a problem cos of an association with the bank on finals day??? shud he not of been turned away on his first visit to play cash???

gormand · 11-08-2009 3:23am

also my maths may be wrong but by my calculations total prize pool for the league final shud of been closer to 15k not the 7k awarded:mad::mad::mad:

aya14 · 11-08-2009 4:28am

Lads seriously all this thread does is make cork poker players sound like a shower of bitches.

HIVeindhoven · 11-08-2009 6:44am

Is there anyway to put all posters with a Cork IP adress on Ignore?

smurph · 11-08-2009 11:11am

Seriously lads,
what is the story with Cork players and the Macau.....

If you have a problem with the Macau, take it up with the Macau... not say
a player (christ don't say his name, wink wink nudge nudge) was not allowed to play the the Tournament league (which has money missing, nudge nudge wink wink alledgedly of course)

Insert [Name calling, calling people langers, accuse some people of multiple accounts, blah blah blah]

spice it up by a few threats here and there.....

then rinse and repeat.

It gets a bit tiresome....

Has the player involved just taken the Macau's reasoning or demanded some ligitimate reason?
How long has he been doing the catering with the other Casino?

is there more to this than meets the eye..... I wonder

Lets not wash our dirty laundry in public

Wreck · 11-08-2009 12:03pm

smurph wrote: »

Lets not wash our dirty laundry in public

I very much disgree, these threads serve an important purpose (outside of the entertainment when they get out of hand) - they remind me never to visit Cork in general or the Macau in particular.

Laxie · 11-08-2009 2:00pm

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

Is there anyway to put all posters with a Cork IP adress on Ignore?

Not all posters from Cork play the drama card.

smurph · 11-08-2009 2:23pm

Wreck wrote: »

I very much disgree, these threads serve an important purpose (outside of the entertainment when they get out of hand) - they remind me never to visit Cork in general or the Macau in particular.

Now that's a bit of a silly statement,
Never visit cork, are you for real?
Have to tell you that any time I have been down in Cork I was treated very well, the was a good buzz about the place, in bars etc., a few Dublin lol comments, but it is only jesting, personally I have only been in the Macau twice, and each time, I was made feel very welcome, there was a good feel about the place, lovely restaurant, and I have no complaints whatsoever...

All im saying is that (like so many threads like this about the Macau), there will obviously be more to this than we are reading about now. Why is this being posted now, less with their big festival coming up the weekend??

Dave147 · 11-08-2009 2:35pm

smurph wrote: »

Now that's a bit of a silly statement,
Never visit cork, are you for real?
Have to tell you that any time I have been down in Cork I was treated very well, the was a good buzz about the place, in bars etc., a few Dublin lol comments, but it is only jesting, personally I have only been in the Macau twice, and each time, I was made feel very welcome, there was a good feel about the place, lovely restaurant, and I have no complaints whatsoever...

All im saying is that (like so many threads like this about the Macau), there will obviously be more to this than we are reading about now. Why is this being posted now, less with their big festival coming up the weekend??

I would imagine it's only been posted up now because the lad in question was refused entry only recently. If someone is hard done by, damn right it should be posted up on a public board.

YULETIRED · 11-08-2009 3:02pm

Why can't ye all meet somewhere over a pint of Murphys and discuss your grieveances. Remember ye all hate da Dubs and Cork is the peoples republic, there is some common ground to get ye started. Anytime I've gone to Cork I've only been in max, 2 rows a night. I was thrown out of nosey parkers one night for laughing at the accordian player.
The accordian is the single most annoying instrument at a Jazz Festival IMO. Then I was at Turners cross at a soccer game and some boyo had a Bodhran and was hammering away at it like Cosey Powel taking a fit. I requested he tone it down a little and he calle me a Dublin CNT. Pats were losing so I was not to be trifled with. I threw some maltezers at him in anger and I unwittengly started a grushie. Grand ol place though. Pity ye are fighting. Is it safe to send Michael Collins home yet? Hope to visit both Casinos this year some time. Who cares if ye are as cranky as Sonia O'Sullivans blind date, I like the Cork looneys.

bops · 11-08-2009 3:03pm

The Macau is my fav card club in Ireland. I particularly enjoy going there for the 10k monthly game and the festivals in august and december.

In my 3 or 4 years going there i have only good things to say about the club:
the structures are always good, the standard of dealing is good, the rake is fine, the food is excellent, the waiting staff are friendly, helpful, (and generaly sexy), Ken (or whoever else was TD) have always done a fine job

but most importantly (imo) the regs have always been very friendly, good craic, up for a bit of banter, polite, good losers/winners and so on - very much the opposite of the trolls you see on this thread

i'll be down there for the plo later today and later in the week for the ME and can't wait tbh!!

up Cork!

gormand · 11-08-2009 3:04pm

Dave147 wrote: »

I would imagine it's only been posted up now because the lad in question was refused entry only recently. If someone is hard done by, damn right it should be posted up on a public board.

yep the "missing money" tourny league final was friday and the customer turned away for his rightfull entry into cash league on saturday , never myself had a problem wit macau but feel this is only viable way of complainin or else ya just get barred

Nero Ceasar · 11-08-2009 3:52pm

Ive never posted here before so i dont expect to get a lot of
kudos for what i say but having read the thread the problem is clear
to me, people spent the whole weekend complaining about the tournament
prize pool in fact sirtoyou spent a lot of time on calculations and came up
with the fact that there was 90 qualifying tournaments that generated 7k an average of 77e which makes the average prize pool 770e, now u dont need 2 b stephen hawkins 2 see something was wrong.

But the prevailing attitude of players was "well what can we do" "it happens everywhere" etc etc. I find that extraordinary no wonder the
country is shagged when people are willing to just sit around and shrug thier shoulder's and say ah well.

It has to be realised that these things are happening because the players allow it to happen, christ its hard to blame the macau if i could get away with it in thier position id do it too. But until such time as the players put up a fight and start asking direct questions then it shall continue.

As for the barring on friday its a joke and a sick one at that, however one is looking forward to a rousing rendition of God save the Queen before the main event gets under way.

mdiver · 11-08-2009 4:13pm

There are quite a few reasons why The Macau is a FAILING business and this thread shows a lot of the reasons why. Its always going to be busy because for many years its been the only casino in Cork, yes a few have tried and failed but if someone gets it right they can make a real success from it. A few years back one of The Macau's best, probably their best punter walked out and swore he'd never step foot in there again because of a fall out with the management and he wasn't barred. He hasn't returned to this day. Sideshow has been barred, Gavin has been barred in fact most of the players who played the big game have been barred. The amount of money this club has lost in rake is the reason why its failing, if you are not exploiting your business to its maximum potential then yes you are failing, you name me another club in Ireland who have barred so many GOOD punters, there isn't one. There are a lot of people who would not set foot in the only casino in town because of the way they treat people, now doesn't that say a lot about the club?

Headspace · 11-08-2009 5:53pm

I loved the macau, class club, beautiful satff yada yada, yada. Was barred for a misunderstanding, I spoken to like I was a piece of **** even called stupid so I walked mid conversation and the manager said 'cancel his membership.' I was told I'd be left back in but what is to stop them barring me again in a month again over some trivial incident. You can not expect fairness out of these people, if you took up a problem with them they would bar you. THEIR ASSHOL ES

busted flush · 11-08-2009 6:39pm

lol at this "THREAD".

corkie123 · 11-08-2009 7:00pm

mdiver wrote: »

There are quite a few reasons why The Macau is a FAILING business and this thread shows a lot of the reasons why. Its always going to be busy because for many years its been the only casino in Cork, yes a few have tried and failed but if someone gets it right they can make a real success from it. A few years back one of The Macau's best, probably their best punter walked out and swore he'd never step foot in there again because of a fall out with the management and he wasn't barred. He hasn't returned to this day. Sideshow has been barred, Gavin has been barred in fact most of the players who played the big game have been barred. The amount of money this club has lost in rake is the reason why its failing, if you are not exploiting your business to its maximum potential then yes you are failing, you name me another club in Ireland who have barred so many GOOD punters, there isn't one. There are a lot of people who would not set foot in the only casino in town because of the way they treat people, now doesn't that say a lot about the club?

in all fairness how can u call the macou a failing business am i missing something here or do u work from a different formula on what a successful business is.
if holding 80% of the business in this city and it might even be more really is a failing business and if barring certain people is bad then theres loads of pubs and night clubs who are doing the wrong thing as far as u are concerned by barring people as well .sometimes a few have to go to make life better for the rest

mdiver · 11-08-2009 7:19pm

To be honest it is impossible for me to answer this question. The only way i can is to write down figures and i'm sure people who go into casinos do not want everyman and his dog knowing how much they have lost, but you are looking at 6 figure numbers that the Macau are losing through barrings and people refusing to come into their clubs, now tell me of a club where that would not have an effect.

gormand · 11-08-2009 7:19pm

corkie123 wrote: »

in all fairness how can u call the macou a failing business am i missing something here or do u work from a different formula on what a successful business is.
if holding 80% of the business in this city and it might even be more really is a failing business and if barring certain people is bad then theres loads of pubs and night clubs who are doing the wrong thing as far as u are concerned by barring people as well .sometimes a few have to go to make life better for the rest

ok barring people aside whats ur explanation on the macau only giving a 7k prizepool to the league when it obviously shud of been a 15k prize pool (me thinks keepin 8k for ur own back pocket helps keeps a business succesful no?)

RichieLawlor · 11-08-2009 7:23pm

gormand wrote: »

ok barring people aside whats ur explanation on the macau only giving a 7k prizepool to the league when it obviously shud of been a 15k prize pool (me thinks keepin 8k for ur own back pocket helps keeps a business succesful no?)

2k a month for nothin is good work if you can get it.

Goodluck2me · 11-08-2009 11:12pm

If anyone really thinks that 8k might have been taken from the prizepool, then if you don't question it, or if you do and don;t receive a legitimate answer - and you continue to play there, then you are an absolute idiot.
I'd be very interested to see if anyone gets barred for asking where the money went.

the_pits · 11-08-2009 11:41pm

"The money was just resting in my account"

gormand · 11-08-2009 11:49pm

the_pits wrote: »

"The money was just resting in my account"

pmsl

corkie123 · 12-08-2009 2:00am

mdiver wrote: »

To be honest it is impossible for me to answer this question. The only way i can is to write down figures and i'm sure people who go into casinos do not want everyman and his dog knowing how much they have lost, but you are looking at 6 figure numbers that the Macau are losing through barrings and people refusing to come into their clubs, now tell me of a club where that would not have an effect.

u should write all of it down and send it into the lads inside i say they pay a pretty sum for how to stop losing so much money and keep there failing business from going under

;);)

-ps i love how when there is a tread on the macau loads of people open accounts just to post
and could u tells us as well how the lads could make the rebel the place to go it might help them and give people a choice

and the next guy will be 60 keep it going please i have 100 or more before kev gets fed up and closes it

life is like a bed of roses then u wake up and find your still drunk and lying in a load of piss-o- beds

cardshark202 · 12-08-2009 4:45am

English only please

big_iain · 12-08-2009 11:19am

Forgive me for being niave but can you guys just not get along.

There are two clubs Galway, they don't fight and have petty arguments they just concentrate on trying to be the best club and let the people decide with their feet.

There are a million clubs and orgainisers in Dublin. They seem to get on. Again trying to do there best to get people in and run the best club they can.

These hot headed threads who doing what to who and who feels aggreived by who are tiresome.

Surely if you are unhappy with a club you just don't go there. If you don't like the sturctures or the way things are run, just don't go there.
Power to the players i say. At the moment there is always another game close by.

Goodluck. I hope you all kiss and make up. Or level each other and at least we will not have to listen to it.

The SirToYou "dignified discussion" with anything to do with Macau

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