The SirToYou "dignified discussion" with anything to do with Macau

Moro Man

Sirtoyou wrote: »

I would also have no problem with a dignified discussion with anything to do with Macau and I have often been highly critical of them myself.What I object to is the underhand and snide shiite that is employed by the likes of Dave147 and others in all Macau threads.If you or anyone else has something to say grow a pair and say it without the angleshoot tactics.

Not wishing to be accused of derailing threads I've opened this one in response to Sirtoyou comments in the Macau ME thread. The title is a direct quote so I think it could be extended to include Cork poker in general.

Just one point for future reference Kieran, it is deemed bad netiquette to use someone's name and personal info online unless they ok it ( and this has nothing to do with you using my name it's about a poster who you referred to by name and made hints about his personal life so people would be able to figure out who he was and that could have had repercussions for him - and don't make it worse for him by arguing the fact here or getting me to spell it out )

I don't expect any official responses from the cardrooms / casinos that may be mentioned but I will draw you to this statement so feel free to make direct queries

KevIRL wrote: »

Its the price of having free advertising on Boards for tournament promoters as the forum rules state

So to start the ball rolling SirtoYou ( good netiquette :rolleyes: ) what is your position on this

An "incident" arose last week where a member ( and don't be using his name ffs ) of the Macau Sporting club was denied entry into their Cash League final ( for which he had qualified ) because he supplys a catering service to a rival establishment namely the Rebel Card Club aka The Bank Casino.

The reason given was that under UK Gaming legislation casino employees are not allowed on the premises of any other Licensed Gaming Establishments and in effect the Macau's Managements hands were tied and they couldn't even if they wanted to leave him play.

You state that people are "angleshooting" against the Macau

This looks to me like the mother of all angle shoots

1. Since when did we rejoin the UK.

2. He's not an employee of the Bank Casino.

3. That UK legislation refers to licensed employees ( croupiers ).

Sirtoyou wrote: »

If you or anyone else has something to say grow a pair and say it without the angleshoot tactics.

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By this logic the Macau should have said.

"**** off you're supplying a service to our competitors and as long as you do we won't leave you into our establishment"

Of course it's well within their rights to refuse admission to whom ever they feel.....

But if it comes down to a case of right or wrong. I think most right minded people would agree that he was wronged.

Before you start attacking me I will admit I'm not a Macau Regular ( I'm probably still barred ) etc etc... but this has nothing to do with me on a personal level. The person involved and his friend who defended him I know but I certainly wouldn't be on their Christmas card list.

So as they say in the states.... "Right to the best possible defence" so defend away SirToYou

lee_arama

This looks to me like the mother of all angle shoots

1. Since when did we rejoin the UK.



Staying out of this one but ...

Irish casinos follow UK protocol in the absence of any irish legislation.

gorfield

lee_arama wrote: »

This looks to me like the mother of all angle shoots

1. Since when did we rejoin the UK.



Staying out of this one but ...

Irish casinos follow UK protocol in the absence of any irish legislation.

You took the words out of my mouth lee.

latenia

lee_arama wrote: »

Staying out of this one but ...

Irish casinos follow UK protocol in the absence of any irish legislation.

Absolutely correct. I've never seen a croupier or owner playing poker in an Irish casino or accept tips at a gaming table and we always (until recently) had to wait 24 hours to gain membership.

Jayminator

Something in the water in Cork I reckon. Why every time I read a Macau related thread is there some sort of entangled bitterness or gripe going on. Makes me want to never visit the place tbh.........

However if this guy is an employee of another casino then they are just enforcing the law but I am not sure if this law relates to ''catering'' employees.

All a bit of the gheyness if ya ask me.

Moro Man

lee_arama wrote: »

This looks to me like the mother of all angle shoots

1. Since when did we rejoin the UK.



Staying out of this one but ...

Irish casinos follow UK protocol in the absence of any irish legislation.

The attitude that makes Ireland great.

I see something but because it doesn't affect me directly so I'll stay out of it.


Since when did Irish Casinos follow UK protocol?

They certainly didn't before the gaming laws were relaxed recently (12 to 18 months ago but open to correction ) and they had the 24 hour cooling off period after joining before you could enter a casino rule.

mdiver

For them to quote a UK law to a punter is bizarre. Having them get the law completely wrong and trying to implement it in Ireland is just beyond stupidity. This particular law got changed a few years back now in the UK and the only casino that a croupier cannot punt is his own, however the group that he works for might ban him from playing in a sister casino. This just shows how petty the Macau really are.

Headspace

I saw a dealer from the macau playing in the bank. I thought the bank had closed down anyway?

the_pits

mdiver wrote: »

For them to quote a UK law to a punter is bizarre. Having them get the law completely wrong and trying to implement it in Ireland is just beyond stupidity. This particular law got changed a few years back now in the UK and the only casino that a croupier cannot punt is his own, however the group that he works for might ban him from playing in a sister casino. This just shows how petty the Macau really are.

Totally agree, maybe they should start reading up on this http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2005/en/ukpgaen_20050019_en_1.htm

and just wondering how many of their dealers have licence

corkie123

the_pits wrote: »

Totally agree, maybe they should start reading up on this http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2005/en/ukpgaen_20050019_en_1.htm

and just wondering how many of their dealers have licence

i wonder how many dealers in ireland have licence

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Moro Man

corkie123 wrote: »

i wonder how many dealers in ireland have licence

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But how many of them work in casinos following the "UK Protocol"

:)

BOBBB

corkie123 wrote: »

I wonder how many dealers in Ireland have a licence?

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SIDESHOW BOBs

latenia wrote: »

Absolutely correct. I've never seen a croupier or owner playing poker in an Irish casino or accept tips at a gaming table and we always (until recently) had to wait 24 hours to gain membership.

Don't think so, i have seen owner / dealers play poker in any number of irish casinos , and acceptance of tips is not an issue even though this practice is not allowed in the uk to the best of my knowledge.

anyone who plays on a regular basis in waterford killarney galway and most dublin clubs can vouch for this.

uk regulations my arse, time charges in the uk raked pots in eire (yea) are the norm

corkie123

SIDESHOW BOBs wrote: »

Don't think so, i have seen owner / dealers play poker in any number of irish casinos , and acceptance of tips is not an issue even though this practice is not allowed in the uk to the best of my knowledge.

anyone who plays on a regular basis in waterford killarney galway and most dublin clubs can vouch for this.

uk regulations my arse, time charges in the uk RAPED pots in eire (yea) are the norm

RAPED POTS ;););) THE NORM

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PS BOPS IS THE MAN

Moro Man

SIDESHOW BOBs wrote: »

Don't think so, i have seen owner / dealers play poker in any number of irish casinos , and acceptance of tips is not an issue even though this practice is not allowed in the uk to the best of my knowledge.

anyone who plays on a regular basis in waterford killarney galway and most dublin clubs can vouch for this.

uk regulations my arse, time charges in the uk raked pots in eire (yea) are the norm

Where is the whoosh emoticon:D:D:D

I think you'll find he was using irony

SIDESHOW BOBs

corkie123 wrote: »

RAPED POTS ;););) THE NORM

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PS BOPS IS THE MAN

Care to expand or even make a valid point SEAN ? I was giving my 2 cents worth from my personal experience not having a cheap shot without any first hand knowledge .

obvoiusly a case of if the hat fits ..............;)

the_pits

corkie123 wrote: »

i wonder how many dealers in ireland have licence

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I have, had one now for the last 32 years ( Grey Licence) but useless here

SIDESHOW BOBs

what are the uk regulations regarding tournament leagues and the money kept back from them , just how much is kept back and how far back is it kept, should make for interesting reading that one lol:D

max_power

corkie123 wrote: »

i wonder how many dealers in ireland have licence

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There is no Irish Dealer's Licence.

corkie123

SIDESHOW BOBs wrote: »

Care to expand or even make a valid point SEAN ? I was giving my 2 cents worth from my personal experience not having a cheap shot without any first hand knowledge .

obvoiusly a case of if the hat fits ..............;)

well u have played in a lot of poker places in ireland and seen the raping of pots that goes on . time charges are punter better than the raping that goes on here thats my opinion .i was not having a go at u if u think that but if the hat fits wear it i suppose.

D.C.C

There are no licences in Ireland and no police checks to gain employment which is a must in the U.K and most European casino's...

Second of all as said before in this thread,the U.K legistlation has changed and casino staff can punt in any other casino except the one they work in and possibly not the same casino group e.g Gala casino's and Grosvenor casino's.........

Ireland has never followed U.K gaming law.The only casino i have visited in Ireland that might come close is the Sporting Emporium in Dublin,but still not in U.K or under U.K legistlation.....

Moro Man

SirToYou's head is wrecked from the Macau League Finals and won't be able to post for a few days as he's busy with live poker.:D

I wouldn't hold my breath for an official comment from the Macau as they don't like to entertain grievances of any kind.:rolleyes:

I think we can take it that there is >95% agreement that the reason used for refusal was bogus on a number of fronts. And that even if you used the UK law as a guideline, grounds for refusal would not be there in them

I am disappointed with a few of the responses.

One respondent has privately told a few people it was a disgrace but for some reason will not publicly say so whilst mudding the waters.

Another who was excluded for three years on a even more spurious food related infraction tried to back them up.

I think they both feel it's wiser not to be seen to bite the hand that feeds.

SirToYou knows what side his steak is garlicbuttered on and will no doubt hold his counsel for a few days yet.


Did someone mention tournament leagues?

Once again I'll set my stall out ( not a reg prob barred etc etc )

Any of the Macau heads I've been in contact with since the final date of the Tournament League was announced and the prize fund given have been complaining to anyone who'd listen except of course the people they should complain to:rolleyes::rolleyes:

From What I Gather ( Correct As You See Fit )

League over 16 weeks

Every regular tourney included ( except satellites and start of month )

Say 5 tourneys a week to count

Main tourney Friday generated on avgerage over €3500 - €350 held back/ week

16 times €350 equals €5600

Prize fund for League was €7300

the other 64 tournaments generated €1700

Which is less than €30 / tournament

The players who were keeping track reckon this is light by between 3 to 5k..

Me personally I'd argue its their club, I don't go in there, so it's not my problem mate, but if any of ye are brave enough to give out about it online I applaud you.

SirToYoU wants a concerned players group formed to stop this obvious clerical error from happening again.

Anyone else have any ideas or info that would clear this obvious misunderstanding up

Samba

Jayminator wrote: »

Something in the water in Cork I reckon. Why every time I read a Macau related thread is there some sort of entangled bitterness or gripe going on. Makes me want to never visit the place tbh.........

However if this guy is an employee of another casino then they are just enforcing the law but I am not sure if this law relates to ''catering'' employees.

All a bit of the gheyness if ya ask me.

My thoughts exact, I've never visited the Macau and I never will, not so long as I keep reading these threads.

Granted I can't truly know what's occurred in each incident but each time I read one, the general theme appears to be to downright pettiness of some form that only lends to illustrate a clear lack of common sense among management and the owner/s.

Every time I read one of these threads, I can't help but think that maybe current management needs an overhaul and the current owner/s could benefit from removing a physical presence from the day to day operations, put a representative in place (Luke Ivory would be a fine example of the type of level headed person you need to bring in).

aidankk

Jayminator wrote: »

Something in the water in Cork I reckon. Why every time I read a Macau related thread is there some sort of entangled bitterness or gripe going on. Makes me want to never visit the place tbh.........

However if this guy is an employee of another casino then they are just enforcing the law but I am not sure if this law relates to ''catering'' employees.

All a bit of the gheyness if ya ask me.

Ask the hurlers:rolleyes: definatly something going on in heads of the PRoC..

Come to think of it Waterford entangled bitterness or gripe in poker (in the past) and Gaa as well, call it a south munster problem..

latenia

I don't see how this can even turn into a quality popcorn thread because the Macau are so ridiculously in the wrong. The guy makes the sambos in a casino down the road so they quote him legislation designed to counteract fraud and collusion from a different country. Why would they be using casino law anyway? I thought they're a private sporting members club.

Are people really still surprised when casinos pull sh1t like this? At the end of the day they're just a bunch of carnies in bowties.

Lurker1977

percy007

If there are so many players complaining about how things are done, ie league monies etc........... why are they still playing there???

mdiver

There are many reasons why the Macau is failing and all of them are down to poor management and lack of understanding in the industry in which they operate and i really hope Sideshow and Gavin make a real success of their club. They have been on the wrong side of several barrings from the Macau and that is probably one of they key reasons they have for their venture, in fact the number of customers that have been barred by the Macau which any other casino would value as a good customer due to the amount of business they are good for makes no sense at all. When working within the gaming industry their are going to many people you dislike on a personal basis but you can't go barring your best customers for this reason when you should be doing all you can to retain them.
I believe that Cork is one of the only good spots in Ireland left to open a club as the Macua has made such a big mess of it. They have been running pretty much a monopoly in Cork but are in great danger if a half decent rival turns up and i hope that the new club is this rival. I also hope that they realise for a succesful club to work the table games have to be doing well. The guys running the new club know the size of the punters that are in Cork, epsecially the Chinese and if you know how to deal with the Chinese you will make a killiing. They will also know that the Macua didn't deal very well with the Chinese and struggled to keep them under control which puts off other customers from approaching the table games and there are a few good Irish punters knocking about in Cork too. At it's peak on the table game side about 4 years ago the Macau had more cash action than any other club in Ireland, this is the potential market for a new club in Cork and it is there to be exploited.

kebabfest

Delighted that McCarthy finally left. Was chatting to the Rock last week in Croker and he was looking to take a hurl to all youse whinging feckers now he has retired.

OilBeefHooked2

Lurker1977 wrote: »

Rebels washing their dirty laundry in public again? and they wonder why Cork's not the "real" capital.

Goodluck2me

latenia wrote: »

Are people really still surprised when casinos pull sh1t like this? At the end of the day they're just a bunch of carnies in bowties.

The more I read about the Macau the less I am to visit it too. I assume this guy will get back his share of Tournament entries that were taken out for the league, at the end of the day you can't sell a man a raffle ticket and then not put it into the box. you can't have your cake and eat it.

this and the craic about a pot having to be paid back the next day are two of the worst incidents ive ever heard about re: casino management.

phantom_lord

Jayminator wrote: »

Something in the water in Cork I reckon. Why every time I read a Cork related thread is there some sort of entangled bitterness or gripe going on. Makes me want to never visit the place tbh.........

+1

Conbro

Goodluck2me wrote: »

this and the craic about a pot having to be paid back the next day are two of the worst incidents ive ever heard about re: casino management.

wtf?

Kimba

The Gaming Act in UK deregulated in September 2007. Licensed casino staff are allowed to play in other clubs now. Non-licensed staff (catering staff) were always allowed in other clubs. Tips are also now allowed in the UK, gaming tables and poker tables, although no casino (that I am aware of) has implemented this (yet). Once one does they all have to really. (This does not include poker only clubs).

You can not compare Irish casinos to UK casinos - two totally different things. If they bring in legislation in Ireland, based on UK Gaming Board, then most casinos and card rooms in the country will be shut down. Especially if they license staff individually like the UK.

And just for the record, I have a UK Gaming License also.

Dani

corkie123

mdiver wrote: »

There are many reasons why the Macau is failing and all of them are down to poor management and lack of understanding in the industry in which they operate and i really hope Sideshow and Gavin make a real success of their club. They have been on the wrong side of several barrings from the Macau and that is probably one of they key reasons they have for their venture, in fact the number of customers that have been barred by the Macau which any other casino would value as a good customer due to the amount of business they are good for makes no sense at all. When working within the gaming industry their are going to many people you dislike on a personal basis but you can't go barring your best customers for this reason when you should be doing all you can to retain them.
I believe that Cork is one of the only good spots in Ireland left to open a club as the Macua has made such a big mess of it. They have been running pretty much a monopoly in Cork but are in great danger if a half decent rival turns up and i hope that the new club is this rival. I also hope that they realise for a succesful club to work the table games have to be doing well. The guys running the new club know the size of the punters that are in Cork, epsecially the Chinese and if you know how to deal with the Chinese you will make a killiing. They will also know that the Macua didn't deal very well with the Chinese and struggled to keep them under control which puts off other customers from approaching the table games and there are a few good Irish punters knocking about in Cork too. At it's peak on the table game side about 4 years ago the Macau had more cash action than any other club in Ireland, this is the potential market for a new club in Cork and it is there to be exploited.

i dont know how u can say that .
the macou is one of the biggest clubs in ireland with a big player base .they also have a lot of irish and chinese players who play the tables all the time .now the chinese can be loud but that is there nature and the way they are .christ some of the irish are worse .
jesus sideshow was the loudest voice here for ages ,
if u think the macou is failing u need new glasses
as for a new club to take over from the macou i heard dermot desmond son has been around and is looking into opening a place here he has look in on a few places here and is coming back soon .

gormand

An "incident" arose last week where a member ( and don't be using his name ffs ) of the Macau Sporting club was denied entry into their Cash League final ( for which he had qualified ) because he supplys a catering service to a rival establishment namely the Rebel Card Club aka The Bank Casino.

The reason given was that under UK Gaming legislation casino employees are not allowed on the premises of any other Licensed Gaming Establishments and in effect the Macau's Managements hands were tied and they couldn't even if they wanted to leave him play.

How come this guy was allowed to play enough times to quallify for the league, if theres then going to be a problem cos of an association with the bank on finals day??? shud he not of been turned away on his first visit to play cash???

gormand

also my maths may be wrong but by my calculations total prize pool for the league final shud of been closer to 15k not the 7k awarded:mad::mad::mad:

aya14

Lads seriously all this thread does is make cork poker players sound like a shower of bitches.

HIVeindhoven

Is there anyway to put all posters with a Cork IP adress on Ignore?

smurph

Seriously lads,
what is the story with Cork players and the Macau.....

If you have a problem with the Macau, take it up with the Macau... not say
a player (christ don't say his name, wink wink nudge nudge) was not allowed to play the the Tournament league (which has money missing, nudge nudge wink wink alledgedly of course)

Insert [Name calling, calling people langers, accuse some people of multiple accounts, blah blah blah]

spice it up by a few threats here and there.....

then rinse and repeat.

It gets a bit tiresome....

Has the player involved just taken the Macau's reasoning or demanded some ligitimate reason?
How long has he been doing the catering with the other Casino?

is there more to this than meets the eye..... I wonder

Lets not wash our dirty laundry in public

Wreck

smurph wrote: »

Lets not wash our dirty laundry in public

I very much disgree, these threads serve an important purpose (outside of the entertainment when they get out of hand) - they remind me never to visit Cork in general or the Macau in particular.

Laxie

HIVeindhoven wrote: »

Is there anyway to put all posters with a Cork IP adress on Ignore?

Not all posters from Cork play the drama card.

smurph

Wreck wrote: »

I very much disgree, these threads serve an important purpose (outside of the entertainment when they get out of hand) - they remind me never to visit Cork in general or the Macau in particular.

Now that's a bit of a silly statement,
Never visit cork, are you for real?
Have to tell you that any time I have been down in Cork I was treated very well, the was a good buzz about the place, in bars etc., a few Dublin lol comments, but it is only jesting, personally I have only been in the Macau twice, and each time, I was made feel very welcome, there was a good feel about the place, lovely restaurant, and I have no complaints whatsoever...

All im saying is that (like so many threads like this about the Macau), there will obviously be more to this than we are reading about now. Why is this being posted now, less with their big festival coming up the weekend??

Dave147

smurph wrote: »

Now that's a bit of a silly statement,
Never visit cork, are you for real?
Have to tell you that any time I have been down in Cork I was treated very well, the was a good buzz about the place, in bars etc., a few Dublin lol comments, but it is only jesting, personally I have only been in the Macau twice, and each time, I was made feel very welcome, there was a good feel about the place, lovely restaurant, and I have no complaints whatsoever...

All im saying is that (like so many threads like this about the Macau), there will obviously be more to this than we are reading about now. Why is this being posted now, less with their big festival coming up the weekend??

I would imagine it's only been posted up now because the lad in question was refused entry only recently. If someone is hard done by, damn right it should be posted up on a public board.

YULETIRED

Why can't ye all meet somewhere over a pint of Murphys and discuss your grieveances. Remember ye all hate da Dubs and Cork is the peoples republic, there is some common ground to get ye started. Anytime I've gone to Cork I've only been in max, 2 rows a night. I was thrown out of nosey parkers one night for laughing at the accordian player.
The accordian is the single most annoying instrument at a Jazz Festival IMO. Then I was at Turners cross at a soccer game and some boyo had a Bodhran and was hammering away at it like Cosey Powel taking a fit. I requested he tone it down a little and he calle me a Dublin CNT. Pats were losing so I was not to be trifled with. I threw some maltezers at him in anger and I unwittengly started a grushie. Grand ol place though. Pity ye are fighting. Is it safe to send Michael Collins home yet? Hope to visit both Casinos this year some time. Who cares if ye are as cranky as Sonia O'Sullivans blind date, I like the Cork looneys.

bops

The Macau is my fav card club in Ireland. I particularly enjoy going there for the 10k monthly game and the festivals in august and december.

In my 3 or 4 years going there i have only good things to say about the club:
the structures are always good, the standard of dealing is good, the rake is fine, the food is excellent, the waiting staff are friendly, helpful, (and generaly sexy), Ken (or whoever else was TD) have always done a fine job

but most importantly (imo) the regs have always been very friendly, good craic, up for a bit of banter, polite, good losers/winners and so on - very much the opposite of the trolls you see on this thread

i'll be down there for the plo later today and later in the week for the ME and can't wait tbh!!

up Cork!

gormand

Dave147 wrote: »

I would imagine it's only been posted up now because the lad in question was refused entry only recently. If someone is hard done by, damn right it should be posted up on a public board.

yep the "missing money" tourny league final was friday and the customer turned away for his rightfull entry into cash league on saturday , never myself had a problem wit macau but feel this is only viable way of complainin or else ya just get barred

Nero Ceasar

Ive never posted here before so i dont expect to get a lot of
kudos for what i say but having read the thread the problem is clear
to me, people spent the whole weekend complaining about the tournament
prize pool in fact sirtoyou spent a lot of time on calculations and came up
with the fact that there was 90 qualifying tournaments that generated 7k an average of 77e which makes the average prize pool 770e, now u dont need 2 b stephen hawkins 2 see something was wrong.

But the prevailing attitude of players was "well what can we do" "it happens everywhere" etc etc. I find that extraordinary no wonder the
country is shagged when people are willing to just sit around and shrug thier shoulder's and say ah well.

It has to be realised that these things are happening because the players allow it to happen, christ its hard to blame the macau if i could get away with it in thier position id do it too. But until such time as the players put up a fight and start asking direct questions then it shall continue.

As for the barring on friday its a joke and a sick one at that, however one is looking forward to a rousing rendition of God save the Queen before the main event gets under way.

mdiver

There are quite a few reasons why The Macau is a FAILING business and this thread shows a lot of the reasons why. Its always going to be busy because for many years its been the only casino in Cork, yes a few have tried and failed but if someone gets it right they can make a real success from it. A few years back one of The Macau's best, probably their best punter walked out and swore he'd never step foot in there again because of a fall out with the management and he wasn't barred. He hasn't returned to this day. Sideshow has been barred, Gavin has been barred in fact most of the players who played the big game have been barred. The amount of money this club has lost in rake is the reason why its failing, if you are not exploiting your business to its maximum potential then yes you are failing, you name me another club in Ireland who have barred so many GOOD punters, there isn't one. There are a lot of people who would not set foot in the only casino in town because of the way they treat people, now doesn't that say a lot about the club?

Headspace

I loved the macau, class club, beautiful satff yada yada, yada. Was barred for a misunderstanding, I spoken to like I was a piece of **** even called stupid so I walked mid conversation and the manager said 'cancel his membership.' I was told I'd be left back in but what is to stop them barring me again in a month again over some trivial incident. You can not expect fairness out of these people, if you took up a problem with them they would bar you. THEIR ASSHOL ES

busted flush

lol at this "THREAD".