Time for a new campaign " She drives (into pothole) , He fixes puncture"

Traumadoc · 07-08-2009 10:57AM

The insurance question is interesting in that insurance companies were found to be profiting excessively on male drivers a few years ago.

http://www.independent.ie/business/irish/cuts-call-as-insurers-make-huge-profits-1442578.html

And health insurance companies are not allowed to discriminate males vs females even though in the younger age group women are far more likely to make a claim ( Obstetrics).

AugustusMaximus · 07-08-2009 11:01AM

Nakatomi wrote: »

And health insurance companies are not allowed to discriminate males vs females even though in the younger age group women are far more likely to make a claim ( Obstetrics).

That is the one that really grinds my gears. It seems that sexism only exists when it is against only one of the sexes.

hal9000 · 07-08-2009 11:37AM

hmm i wonder would there be uproar if the same logic was brought into health insurance. Older people having to pay more based on their "Higher Risk Category" Remember there's no such thing as discrimination against young caucasian males!

Leprechaun77 · 07-08-2009 11:40AM

It would appear that you can only discriminate against a 'minority'.

Gran Hermano · 07-08-2009 11:44AM

I'm waiting for the "she cooks, he pukes" after all women do most of the cooking therefore they must be responsible for all cases of food poisoning.

If one inteprets statistics like the RSA do the above is correct.

christy c · 07-08-2009 12:31PM

Actually can't stand Gerry Ryan but I have to say fair play to him, it's more publicity like this we need. Here's the link to the Evening Herald article http://www.herald.ie/national-news/he-drives-she-dies-campaign-is-sexist---gerry-1852819.html

vibe666 · 07-08-2009 01:28PM

did they take into account the number of innocent male drivers involved in RTA's with dead female passengers that were hit head on by a woman driver coming the other way whilst doing her hair and makeup and texting their mates?

SuperDude87 · 07-08-2009 01:36PM

I don't like Gerry Ryan at all but this is a great quote

"The inference is that men are p***ed all the time and the women are Virgin Marys celebrating the latest appearance at the stump in Rathkeale."

Women are so self righteous in regards to their driving abilities. But sure this sort of thing has been going on for ages nothing will change because the sexism is against the wrong sex. Simple!

franksm · 07-08-2009 01:40PM

I don't like the adverts, but I think the fallout (like this thread) is great.

It gets everyone talking about the subject and aware, and that can only help.

Same thing with showing more information on fatal crashes in the media - it's all too sensitively done by RTE etc, I am of the mind that it's always better to shock and awe the populace into being disgusted/scared to drive fast/drunk

Gran Hermano · 07-08-2009 01:49PM

franksm wrote: »

It gets everyone talking about the subject and aware, and that can only help.

I disagree, all this does is undermine any credibility the RSA might have had. Their target group are also the group most unlikely to listen to the likes of Newstalk and Today FM, any boy racers I know only listen to CDs
or MP3 players.

I recall seeing a high number of deaths from RTAs involving Poles and Eastern Europeans last year and the year before, would they get away with "Pole drives, you die?" me thinks not.

BigEejit · 07-08-2009 01:59PM

This kind of misleading statistic will continue until someone does a study on the driving times and distances of a statistically useful portion of the population. If it shows that men drive more often and for longer than women then the statistics on the number of road deaths could show exactly which group is more dangerous.

Until then the RSA will spin it any way they like....

Sleepy · 07-08-2009 02:24PM

Surely the statistics on car-ownership would be a starting point for any research?

Are there any marketing research professionals / statisticians on boards that could put the questions / numbers together necessary to get genuinely valid results from a questionnaire? I covered the subject in college but it was a long time ago...

ya-ba-da-ba-doo · 07-08-2009 02:34PM

I hate this ad. Its sexism and discrimination to the extreme. what have men got to do with it? I wouldnt get in ANYBODY'S car if i thought they would crash. Is this to tell women to get in womens cars even if they're a crap driver? Bollox

GreeBo · 07-08-2009 02:42PM

Why are people arguing against statistics? Its retarded.
Statistics dont lie, they just have to be interpreted correctly.
Its pointless to argue that men are safer drivers by asking a handful of people have they killed any women lately.

Argue with the interpretation or the details of the stats, but dont just argue about the stats being "wrong" or discriminatory.

smash · 07-08-2009 02:44PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Why are people arguing against statistics? Its retarded.
Statistics dont lie, they just have to be interpreted correctly.
Its pointless to argue that men are safer drivers by asking a handful of people have they killed any women lately.

Argue with the interpretation or the details of the stats, but dont just argue about the stats being "wrong" or discriminatory.

Statistics can be twisted to prove anything!

ya-ba-da-ba-doo · 07-08-2009 02:51PM

How can you say stats cant be argued against? They dont account for the ratio of male to female drivers, whose fault the accidents were, the average milage covered by males to females, etc. Also, im arguing about more than statistics, its discrimination.

Voodoomelon · 07-08-2009 02:55PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Why are people arguing against statistics? Its retarded.
Statistics dont lie, they just have to be interpreted correctly.
Its pointless to argue that men are safer drivers by asking a handful of people have they killed any women lately.

Argue with the interpretation or the details of the stats, but dont just argue about the stats being "wrong" or discriminatory.

People are arguing against the statistics, because they AREN'T being interpreted correctly. They are being PORTRAYED incorrectly also.

Of course more women are going to die when a man is driving, men drive more than women, we have no statistics to back this up, but everyone knows its true.
How many female taxi drivers are there? How many female minibus drivers are there, how many female bus drivers are there, how many female trademen are there, how many female travelling sales people are there, how many female truck drivers are there, how many women drive their husbands or partners places, how many women travel very long journeys?

The ad should be removed immediately.

GreeBo · 07-08-2009 03:52PM

steve06 wrote: »

Statistics can be twisted to prove anything!

Thats exactly my point.
So how is gathering stats from a forum going to "disprove" the existing stats?
To me this is the equivalent of the "yew dont knoooow meeee!" argument you hear on crappy radio phone in shows when people try to tell you that they are not knackers when they clearly are.

GreeBo · 07-08-2009 03:53PM

Voodoomelon wrote: »

People are arguing against the statistics, because they AREN'T being interpreted correctly. They are being PORTRAYED incorrectly also.

Of course more women are going to die when a man is driving, men drive more than women, we have no statistics to back this up, but everyone knows its true.
How many female taxi drivers are there? How many female minibus drivers are there, how many female bus drivers are there, how many female trademen are there, how many female travelling sales people are there, how many female truck drivers are there, how many women drive their husbands or partners places, how many women travel very long journeys?

The ad should be removed immediately.

Ok so your argument is that there are more men driving women around then women driving men around. Surely thats enough of a reason to try to get men to driver safer/better by itself?
If you target the most offending demographic then you will achieve the greatest result. No?

GreeBo · 07-08-2009 03:58PM

ya-ba-da-ba-doo wrote: »

How can you say stats cant be argued against? They dont account for the ratio of male to female drivers, whose fault the accidents were, the average milage covered by males to females, etc. Also, im arguing about more than statistics, its discrimination.

Because arguing against numbers is futile. 87% of people know that.

And as I just said, the Ad is not trying to say that mean are worse drivers than women, rather than more men drivers kill women than vice versa. It doesnt matter what the reason for this is, its a fact. So the ad is targeted towards the people who are doing the killing. Its not saying "all you men are crap drivers" its saying, more men are driving and thus killing women.

There are two ways to change this fact.
1) Stop men drivers from killing to many women.
2) Try to increase the number of women driving on the road.

Seems a pretty simple choice to me if your aim is to cut road deaths.

smash · 07-08-2009 03:59PM

GreeBo wrote: »

So how is gathering stats from a forum going to "disprove" the existing stats?

Nobody's doing that....

GreeBo wrote: »

Ok so your argument is that there are more men driving women around then women driving men around. Surely thats enough of a reason to try to get men to driver safer/better by itself?

That's not what this campaign is doing... it's basically telling women that men are killing them!

GreeBo wrote: »

rather than more men drivers kill women than vice versa. It doesnt matter what the reason for this is, its a fact.

That's like saying there's more deaths in the USA every year than Ireland... Of course it's a fact, there's more people there! If you took it on a per capita basis the fact would completely change. The same way it's a fact that more men drive than women, if it was done taking all variables into account it would be totally different!

no1beemerfan · 07-08-2009 04:40PM

Voodoomelon wrote: »

People are arguing against the statistics, because they AREN'T being interpreted correctly. They are being PORTRAYED incorrectly also.

Of course more women are going to die when a man is driving, men drive more than women, we have no statistics to back this up, but everyone knows its true.
How many female taxi drivers are there? How many female minibus drivers are there, how many female bus drivers are there, how many female trademen are there, how many female travelling sales people are there, how many female truck drivers are there, how many women drive their husbands or partners places, how many women travel very long journeys?

The ad should be removed immediately.

Well said. There are FAR MORE men driving than women. And I know very very very few women who drive long distances. They get their men to drive.

Cuddlesworth · 07-08-2009 04:54PM

GreeBo wrote: »

Because arguing against numbers is futile. 87% of people know that.

And as I just said, the Ad is not trying to say that mean are worse drivers than women, rather than more men drivers kill women than vice versa. It doesnt matter what the reason for this is, its a fact. So the ad is targeted towards the people who are doing the killing. Its not saying "all you men are crap drivers" its saying, more men are driving and thus killing women.

There are two ways to change this fact.
1) Stop men drivers from killing to many women.
2) Try to increase the number of women driving on the road.

Seems a pretty simple choice to me if your aim is to cut road deaths.

The RSA are blatantly cherry picking their stats. I'm nearly positive that if the full details were released for Ireland it would show that mile per mile driven women are far worse drivers. And when you remove deaths caused by HGV's from the "Male side" the Stats really start to look very different.

Nic'name · 07-08-2009 04:55PM

Did you complain to the Advertising Standards authority? I think it's incredibly sexist towards men. It actually really did piss me off when I saw it.

It should read "dickheads drive and all of our insurance quotes go up and then men get attacked because of statistics possibly gathered years ago"....er but written in a more witty manner.

In my opinion everyone has the potential to act like a total ass when driving and statistics mean nothing as there are always exceptions.

Myself and my boyfriend both drive my Impreza and both have never crashed.

But to the OP us girls can fix punctures too ya know

Rush hour traffic I had to put the car up on the Dunkettle roundabout and change a tire in the pissing rain....with no boys helping me :O

De Hipster · 07-08-2009 05:00PM

The advert is extremely flawed & mainly directed at the 'I told you so' and 'What did I say before' brigades.

Nic'name - good point on the changing wheels & puncture repair, I too have done my fair share & never required the assistance of a strapping male hero-type for my Penelope Pittstop.

Cuddlesworth · 07-08-2009 05:03PM

Nic'name wrote: »

But to the OP us girls can fix punctures too ya know

Rush hour traffic I had to put the car up on the Dunkettle roundabout and change a tire in the pissing rain....with no boys helping me :O

Try it in a Convertible Merc with a mini-skirt, white top and no bra in the rain and see how long it takes somebody to help. Or crash.

Nic'name · 07-08-2009 05:06PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Try it in a Convertible Merc with a mini-skirt, white top and no bra in the rain and see how long it takes somebody to help. Or crash.

lmao....I was in a similar condition but I had the bra. I got lots of beeps.

Back to the original point though. I find it crazy that a recent meteor Christmas ad showing a woman in her 70s been thrown out of a house because her present was crap was ageist yet this ad isn't seen as sexist.

Owen · 07-08-2009 05:11PM

Wasn't it proven recently that women genetically have less spatial awareness - and as a result have more of a challenge presented to them when driving/parking?

GreeBo · 07-08-2009 05:16PM

steve06 wrote: »

Nobody's doing that....

Read the OP.
"Please leave a post if you are a man who hasnt killed a woman in a car or if you are a woman who hasnt been killed by a man in a car please let us know you're still alive."

steve06 wrote: »

That's like saying there's more deaths in the USA every year than Ireland... Of course it's a fact, there's more people there! If you took it on a per capita basis the fact would completely change. The same way it's a fact that more men drive than women, if it was done taking all variables into account it would be totally different!

No it wouldnt be totally different. There would still be more men "killing" women than women killing men. Proportionally the balance would change but Road Safety is not about trying to get a 50:50 death ratio, its about reducing deaths.
Right, you are offended because you think the ad is making men out to be worse drivers. Anyone with half a brain can see that these stats do not prove this or even hint at it due to the multitude of reasons why there are more men driving than women. That does not change the fact that if you want to reduce the accidents you need to target the people who are having them!

Your argument is based on thinking that the Ad is trying mo say men are crap drivers. The point of road safety is to reduce accidents/fatalities.

Surely you can see that it only logical to base your target on the people who are having the accidents rather than base it on the much, much smaller number of people who would be having more accidents if they were driving more?

Blind, octogenarians are going to be the worst drivers on the roads. If they were driving in the same volumes as "men" then they would cause huge numbers of accidents, but the whole point is that THEY DONT drive as much as men and so a campaign against these, arguably, worst drivers would do very little for road safety.

Nic'name · 07-08-2009 05:16PM

PaintDoctor wrote: »

Wasn't it proven recently that women genetically have less spatial awareness - and as a result have more of a challenge presented to them when driving/parking?

To support your cause you attack women drivers?

Well women have a better peripheral vision that helps them to see what’s happening, to spot an approaching danger, to notice changes . Men’s brains are programmed to hunting, which explains their narrow range of vision, while women’s brains are able to decipher a wider range of information.

These arguments can be drawn out to another 100 pages but one fact we should all be agreeing on is the point that the ad is sexist and should be withdrawn.

Time for a new campaign " She drives (into pothole) , He fixes puncture"

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