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Here comes a racism debate

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  • #62
    Demonique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,923 ✭✭✭Demonique


    PaulieD wrote: »
    I have never heard of an Irish person in Ireland, playing the race card. Strange comment.

    I'm talking about Travellers.


  • #63
    Piste
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,440 ✭✭✭✭Piste


    It was only a matter of time befoe someone played the fake Seinfeld letter card.


  • #64
    brendansmith
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭brendansmith


    Im gonna work really hard to make rasism history by 2011 from now on. Whos with me?


  • #65
    zuroph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,102 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    Ibrahimovic91 wrote: »
    set up trade unions that didn't allow any black people to join. Imagine that happening here :eek:
    .
    sorry, is this a joke, or do you genuinely not know of this happening here? genuine question?

    Anyway, corks Taxi driver union wont let "non-nationals" join.


  • #66
    Ibrahimovic91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭Ibrahimovic91


    I was talking about imagine if lets say Nigerians did the same thing here in Ireland today. Africans had been in the Americas(USA and Brazil) for probably just a little under two centuries before the Irish arrived there en masse.


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  • #67
    yeahsure
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16 ✭yeahsure


    racism is a human condition so aslong as there is humans there will be racism...i say just laugh at the jokes and ignorance because if you dont thats when you become a separatist!:pac:


  • #68
    Kipperhell
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,477 ✭✭✭Kipperhell


    One major difference is America was asking for immigrants while in Ireland there were many people entering the country and seeking refugee status when they could apply in the first country they got to within the EU.

    From some countries the people making it to Ireland are from the rich classes. On entering this country they were provided for by state money unlike America. Stories are not very comparable and I would guess the feed back on the ad would probably have shown it was not very effective in conveying their message.

    I personally wouldn't blame any person for trying to improve their life but am annoyed that the situation was left as it was when it was obvious there was a cost to the country.


  • #69
    dsmythy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,588 ✭✭✭✭dsmythy


    Napoli wrote: »
    I'm sick of this "you can't generalise" argument. It's weak and pathetic imo.

    Does that mean you can't say the Nazis were cruel and inhumane because "you can't paint everyone with the same brush"? I'm sure some of them were nice deep down and were only doing their job to feed their family.
    /liberal BS

    What do you mean by Nazis? The zealous believers or do you include the people who took up membership of the party because it was a useful thing to do in Germany at the time?

    So you can tar Irish people with the one brush? This is your argument? Strange days.


  • #70
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Racism my hole..if they dont like it here they can piss off home and nobody will miss them.


  • #71
    Ibrahimovic91
    Closed Accounts Posts: 186 ✭✭Ibrahimovic91


    Degsy wrote: »
    Racism my hole..if they dont like it here they can piss off home and nobody will miss them.

    :rolleyes:

    people like you need their knees caved in.


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  • #72
    Morlar
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Ibrahimovic91 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    people like you need their knees caved in.

    You wouldn't be that marko pantelic chap would you ? Reason I ask is that he would be about your age and also had a habit of threatening to break peoples kneecaps. From what I recall he was banned for it too.


  • #73
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Ibrahimovic91 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    people like you need their knees caved in.

    Are you a victim of racism or just an 18 year old fool?


  • #74
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    Kipperhell wrote: »
    One major difference is America was asking for immigrants while in Ireland there were many people entering the country and seeking refugee status when they could apply in the first country they got to within the EU.

    From some countries the people making it to Ireland are from the rich classes. On entering this country they were provided for by state money unlike America. Stories are not very comparable and I would guess the feed back on the ad would probably have shown it was not very effective in conveying their message.

    I personally wouldn't blame any person for trying to improve their life but am annoyed that the situation was left as it was when it was obvious there was a cost to the country.

    now then, remind me where racism comes from? is it from uneducated bollox being posted on internets cat forums by any chance?


  • #75
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Ibrahimovic91 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    people like you need their knees caved in.
    Degsy wrote: »
    Are you a victim of racism or just an 18 year old fool?


    Both banned.


  • #76
    Wertz
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,909 ✭✭✭✭Wertz


    This ad is being discussed on liveline now for those interested.


  • #77
    Armin_Tamzarian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    Ibrahimovic91 wrote: »
    :rolleyes:

    people like you need their knees caved in.

    Where's Uprising when you need him?


  • #78
    dr.bollocko
    Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »
    Where's Uprising when you need him?

    Also banned.
    They're all banned.
    muhuhuhahahaha


  • #79
    Armin_Tamzarian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,833 ✭✭✭✭Armin_Tamzarian


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    Also banned.

    Careful now.
    He's probably at home plotting his revenge as we speak.
    Working out furiously to the tune of M.C Hammer's - 'You Can't Touch This'.


  • #80
    King of Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    dr.bollocko wrote: »
    Both banned.

    ah no not degsy

    Degsy has quite a valid point. If people don't like it here let them go home. I find it disingenuous for non native people to come here and start lecturing us on our society and our opinions.

    I would never dream of going to another country and ranting "your country is **** etc...." if I did I'd be expected to be run out of town.

    But what most people fail to see if that foreign people rarely suffer racism in Ireland.
    Here it's do-good , hand wringing lefties at a loss for some to do till the next abortion spate with Youth Defense blow out of proportion, any situation with a smell of "racialist" (thanks jady goody for that word) about it.


  • #81
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    King of Kings wrote: »
    ah no not degsy

    Degsy has quite a valid point. If people don't like it here let them go home. I find it disingenuous for non native people to come here and start lecturing us on our society and our opinions.

    I would never dream of going to another country and ranting "your country is **** etc...." if I did I'd be expected to be run out of town.

    so next time you are in England and someone calls you Paddy you won't be complaining then? Obviously it is accpetable if you are in "Their" country.
    King of Kings wrote: »
    But what most people fail to see if that foreign people rarely suffer racism in Ireland.
    Here it's do-good , hand wringing lefties at a loss for some to do till the next abortion spate with Youth Defense blow out of proportion, any situation with a smell of "racialist" (thanks jady goody for that word) about it.

    In your opinion maybe, but you might think differently if you were black/asian/eastern european.

    Take a look at the politics forum once in a while and see how many threads get opend on there about uncapped immigration and how all nigerians get a free house/car/swimming pool as soon as they set foot in the country.

    BTW, how many Swans have we lost to Polish Barbecues?


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  • #82
    General Zod
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    King of Kings wrote: »
    ah no not degsy

    Degsy has quite a valid point. If people don't like it here let them go home. I find it disingenuous for non native people to come here and start lecturing us on our society and our opinions.

    sometimes it takes an outsider to tell us their perceptions of what we are for us to consider our own perceptions. To disregard them would be myopic.
    But what most people fail to see if that foreign people rarely suffer racism in Ireland.

    any of it is unacceptable, imo.


  • #83
    King of Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    so next time you are in England and someone calls you Paddy you won't be complaining then? Obviously it is acceptable if you are in "Their" country.

    i don't really find "Paddy" offense tbh. its only a name.
    But i've been called "paddy" and I didn't bat an eyelid.
    Although admittedly if i had it screamed in my face I'd prob be pissed off.
    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    In your opinion maybe, but you might think differently if you were black/asian/eastern european.

    Would I?
    My friends is married to a Thai and neither her nor her mates get any stick. In fact it's my mate who gets the dirty looks when he visits thailand with his missus.
    I worked as a doorman with a polish lad for 3 years who I'm still great mates with , he never encountered racism here.
    He did mention some friends of his being ripped off by employers but sure that happens whether you are white, yellow or brown.

    Admittedly these are anecdotal but I can only go on what I hear and not the rants of Rosanna Flynn (and her ilk) whenever she gets airtime.
    Lets be honest , she would make you racist.


    Fratton Fred wrote: »
    BTW, how many Swans have we lost to Polish Barbecues?
    Polish don't eat swan. Romanians do.
    I dunno for sure but I read that in the UK the swan population has taken a tumble.


  • #84
    King of Kings
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭King of Kings


    General Zod wrote: »
    sometimes it takes an outsider to tell us their perceptions of what we are for us to consider our own perceptions. To disregard them would be myopic.

    to disregard them yes,.
    To take it as gospel and go about the "we are terrible" routine on the back of it is just stupid.

    General Zod wrote: »
    any of it is unacceptable, imo.
    #

    It is unacceptable but it is a small problem and way down the list of priorities this country has.

    It is funny how racists are pillored and abused to high heaven and a peado will get only a fraction of the attention and abuse.
    Just check the ranting and raving against jady goody and compare that to any attention a peado has received. Only Gary glitter gets much stick in the press and honestly it's hardly anything Goody had to endure, post her session on Celeb Big Brother.

    We (as a nation) have our priorities arseways. Only Ireland and the UK has this fascination with racism. Where we beat ourselves up over it.


  • #85
    vibe666
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,016 ✭✭✭✭vibe666


    Ibrahimovic91 wrote: »
    although it has to be said many black people in usa would have irish ancestry due to living side by side Irish in slums.
    does that mean 'Irish' is an STD? :pac:


  • #86
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,566 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    King of Kings wrote: »
    We (as a nation) have our priorities arseways. Only Ireland and the UK has this fascination with racism. Where we beat ourselves up over it.

    do we?

    i would rather racism is constantly debated and highlighted than live in a country that ignores it and considers it acceptable to make monkey chants at black footballers.


  • #87
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    ive watched the advert and i think its clever. so kudos to them on that.

    However im never comfortable with the paralells made between the Irish in america and the Nigerians in Ireland.

    The 2 experiences are very different


  • #88
    Pete4779
    Closed Accounts Posts: 622 ✭✭✭Pete4779


    connundrum wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miUKTDMtTXg


    This video was created for SARI - Sports Against Racism Ireland, but SARI decided not to use it.



    Any opinion other than some of those who've decided to comment on the video are a bit opinionated for my liking?

    I couldn't understand a word that black guy said, speak English FFS.


  • #89
    AckwelFoley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,556 ✭✭✭✭AckwelFoley


    Pete4779 wrote: »
    I couldn't understand a word that black guy said, speak English FFS.

    Hes simply a bad actor.

    He was born and bred in Dublin actually.


  • #90
    PeterLT
    Closed Accounts Posts: 231 ✭✭PeterLT


    snyper wrote: »
    Hes simply a bad actor.

    He was born and bred in Dublin actually.

    More info on him


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  • #91
    SWL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 574 ✭✭✭SWL



    I constantly find it fascinating that Irish people seem to think they are racist and are hell bent on repeating it until they actually believe it to be the country’s biggest problem.

    32,000 foreigners out of 90, 0000, which I think is quite high actually, have free accommodation from the state funded by the majority i.e. Irish people

    80, 0000 plus foreigners are in receipt of state funded welfare, their children are receiving the same education as Irish children, they receive the same health cover as Irish people. What other country can you work for 105 weeks and 100% get welfare and accommodation?

    Of course by playing the race card it can cover many unsavory aspects of a person behavior and immediately put any queries Irish people have the back foot. Maybe I should give it a go start throwing around the racist card when I don't get my way.

    Instead of shouting racist, maybe foreigners should start appreciate what Ireland has done for them, rather than killing the gooses that lay the gold egg

    The only racist behaviour in ireland is against the Irish, they can't say bo now in their country

    Racism in Ireland gives me break


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