"Boy Racer" Crackdown

Firetrap · 18-07-2009 3:36pm

It's more what the tinted windows and noisy exhausts stand for really. It's an anti-social subculture that's been allowed to flourish. I never used to see many doughnuts on the roads but there are definitely a lot more of them now. Even on a motorway that runs near my house :eek:

Even though I welcome anything that clips their wings, I don't think this legislation is going to do much. If the guards were serious about trying to catch them they'd have done something a long time ago. It's much easier to catch someone doing 60kph in a 50 zone than to curb a live version of The Fast and the Furious.

Victor_M · 18-07-2009 3:44pm

Traumadoc wrote: »

With all the talk of cutbacks its great to see money being wasted on tintometers, so people with paranoia can force young people off the road.

What difference does it make the level of tinting on a window?

As for noise, I have two neighbours one who has a Harley the other an Aston Martin, both are louder than the kid with the body modified integra. But you all know who will be tested once the money is wasted on sound meters and tintometers.

The Aston has butterfly valves that contain the noise at low revs and only come into life after a few K revs, the difference between 'grown up' drivers with loud car and 'boy racers' is consideration, or lack of in the case on the latter, my M3 makes quite a racket when it cold in the morning, I get up very early for work, I try my best to keep the noise levels as low as possible as I pull out of the estate.

Boy racers (the majority of them, I'm sure there are exceptions) go out of their way to make as much noise a mechanically possible regardless of the time of the day or night.

Bearcat · 18-07-2009 3:49pm

:Dwell if they are going to go after the honda merchants they'll have to take every bentley continental gt off the road too. When those GT's start up they wake everyone.....m3's dont even come near such is the racket of a gt........

Gumbo · 18-07-2009 4:47pm

bazzachazza wrote: »

The point has been well made by now in that if you can't see in then its nearly certain that you can't see out especially at night and in poor light therefore increasing your chances of being involved in an accident in such conditions.

good post, other than this statement which im afraid is simply BS. have you ever being in a car with tinted windows? even limo tint isint that bad. it certainly doesnt obstruct your view as some posters here would have you believe :rolleyes:

bazzachazza wrote: »

No but I work in a building with tinted windows and have been in others with tinted windows and I can promise you that you are NOT getting the same amount of light passing through the windows as without Tinted glass.

As someone else just posted, you don't wear sunglasses at night. The difference being at least with sunglasses you can see the head point your direction it may not be looking AT you but at least you know they have looked your way unlike with tinted glass you don't even have that.

im sorry but you cannot compare building windows to car tints.

Atomic Pineapple · 18-07-2009 4:47pm

Victor_M wrote: »

Boy racers (the majority of them, I'm sure there are exceptions) go out of their way to make as much noise a mechanically possible regardless of the time of the day or night.

Well in my opinion that's the definition of a Boy Racer so there's no exception.

Why do they drive up and down towns non stop, beeping at each other, making noise, "showing off"..................?

Because they want the attention!! They think they look cool. The 15 year old girls that see them think there the man!

smellslikeshoes · 18-07-2009 5:56pm

Quote from article in first post.

Road casualty statistics from the RSA show that over two-thirds (67pc) of female passengers killed in the 10-year period 1998 to 2007 were being driven by a male driver.

Anyone have more information on these statistics from the original article?
Seems to me that statistic is just there to make things seems worse than they actually are (dam lies and statistics) and could easily be explained by men being more likely to drive when with a woman, but obviously they wouldn't give statistics for that because it would not support their agenda as much as a hard hitting number. I support road safety but half baked initiatives like 'He Drives, She Dies' campaign are a waste of money.

Sorry for slightly off topic post.

Atomic Pineapple · 18-07-2009 6:07pm

smellslikeshoes wrote: »

Quote from article in first post.

Anyone have more information on these statistics from the original article?
Seems to me that statistic is just there to make things seems worse than they actually are (dam lies and statistics) and could easily be explained by men being more likely to drive when with a woman, but obviously they wouldn't give statistics for that because it would not support their agenda as much as a hard hitting number. I support road safety but half baked initiatives like 'He Drives, She Dies' campaign are a waste of money.

Sorry for slightly off topic post.

Exactly,

I have a car and so does my girlfriend, both full licenses and yet I'd say when were going somewhere I'd say I drive at least 80% of the time despite my car being 4 times less economical than hers!

When I think about it, every other couple I know is the same, either the man is driving the majority of the time or the women doesn't even drive at all.

ArphaRima · 18-07-2009 6:21pm

I am considering buying a car that clarkson said this about:

"And it’s just so loud. When my wife went for a spin on a balmy summer’s evening, I heard her change from fourth to fifth a full two miles away. "

Wonder if cars like that, straight from the factory will pass?

fifth · 18-07-2009 6:39pm

As I stated earlier in the thread I'm currently working on a website and collecting information on possible discrimination of male drivers by insurance companies. If anyone has anything to contribute or would like to help out in any way, PM me.

How could Insurance companies possibly punish bad drivers whilst protecting good drivers (esp male drivers) from high premiums. At the moment, every male driver under 25 is assumed to be a bad driver and one who will cause an accident.

Something must be done - if you want to help, please do!

tom_ass19 · 18-07-2009 6:45pm

Two words.....

"About time"

I dont see the point in spending so much money on a car and "doing it up" just so you can look cool driving, I can understand that it could be a hobbie but why spend so much money when you can put all that money together and purchase a good car. Driving fast isnt cool.....get the point like!!

Big Nasty · 18-07-2009 6:50pm

Damn!

And I just fitted open headers!

ShadowHearth · 19-07-2009 12:33am

draffodx wrote: »

Exactly,

I have a car and so does my girlfriend, both full licenses and yet I'd say when were going somewhere I'd say I drive at least 80% of the time despite my car being 4 times less economical than hers!

When I think about it, every other couple I know is the same, either the man is driving the majority of the time or the women doesn't even drive at all.

Agree...

I drive a small two seater roadster, and mine misses huge merc. We went to shop for some food then got some movies from extravision today... i was driving, and we took mine car which has less space then a tin of beans!

Its just the way it works: We drive the cars and our partners are passengers...

They took part of statistic which suited them, but not represented the real thing!

every time i hear that: "he drives, she dies!" i whant to spit in to the authors face...

You take away exhoust from boy racer - he will make his stereo louder. I hope you like Dance/techno cheap crap, enjoy! :rolleyes:

HashSlinging · 19-07-2009 1:00am

This is not going to solve anything, they wont be able to catch them to prosecute them.

Firetrap · 19-07-2009 1:00am

Different demographic. I assume the ad is directed at girls who are getting into the souped up Puntos and being whisked away on a magical mystery tour 'round the back roads of Ireland. Somehow I can't see it working.

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 19-07-2009 1:08am

YES !

its about time these fcuktards got their come uppance

Yakult · 19-07-2009 1:13am

tom_ass19 wrote: »

Two words.....

"About time"

I dont see the point in spending so much money on a car and "doing it up" just so you can look cool driving, I can understand that it could be a hobbie but why spend so much money when you can put all that money together and purchase a good car. Driving fast isnt cool.....get the point like!!

Define a good car? I suppose one without tinted windows and a performance exhaust? :eek:

And you basicly answered your own question as to why people spend big money on a car. Because its a hobby! Once again :eek::eek:

HashSlinging · 19-07-2009 1:50am

Having a modified car is like waving a red flag to the guards, and to those genuine enthusiasts it goes hand in hand with a lot of anti social behavior like it or not.

x in the city · 19-07-2009 3:57am

Vegeta wrote: »

Sigh

How many of the fatalities they list were caused by an exhaust or a window tint. Hell how many of the cars involved even had after market exhausts or window tints?

This country is gone to ****

not really, Im not a statistician but I would say the vast majority of road deaths/fatal accidents over the last 10 plus years would fit the typical boy racer stereo type

alloy wheels, miscellaneous valves and lsd's [not the narcotic type] and go faster stripes brigade

going to be a barrage of bs replies no doubt, but its true...

you have only to look at pictures of fatal accidents to notice a boy racer car a mile off.

no harm i say, besides think of all the money that can be saved [10,000e on mods that they wont ever get back...] :rolleyes:

El Che · 19-07-2009 4:08am

The attack on tinted windows is ridicolous, they were using these tint meters six months ago and taking people to court despite the fact that there was NO LAW against tinted windows, and this article is proof of that.

A 50-something year old woman in a Mercedes was stopped recently for tinted windows in my town and brought up in court for it. The case was adjorned till September, as the court had another 399 cases to deal with in that one day. Waste of time, money, and resources.

The Country is predicted to be bankrupt by October and they're bringing in ****e like this?

El Che · 19-07-2009 4:11am

Cunning Alias wrote: »

Good point but you dont see people driving at night with sunglasses on.

I've driven at night with mirrored sunglasses on, and if they attempt to restrict tinted windows I shall drive with a balaclava and mirrored sunglasses on.

ShadowHearth · 19-07-2009 11:01am

Firetrap wrote: »

Different demographic. I assume the ad is directed at girls who are getting into the souped up Puntos and being whisked away on a magical mystery tour 'round the back roads of Ireland. Somehow I can't see it working.

well, maybe yeah.

but then you hear: "He drives, she dies"...

Which just spits on all men who drive...

cpoh1 · 19-07-2009 11:17am

x in the city wrote: »

not really, Im not a statistician but I would say the vast majority of road deaths/fatal accidents over the last 10 plus years would fit the typical boy racer stereo type

alloy wheels, miscellaneous valves and lsd's [not the narcotic type] and go faster stripes brigade

going to be a barrage of bs replies no doubt, but its true...

you have only to look at pictures of fatal accidents to notice a boy racer car a mile off.

no harm i say, besides think of all the money that can be saved [10,000e on mods that they wont ever get back...] :rolleyes:

I dont know whether to laugh or cry when reading a post like this. My heart bleeds for the innocence of our average joe soap with opinions like this.

What type of modification is a valve?! Cmere lad those valves give me an extra 30bhp and make my car sound unreal.

pounder770 · 19-07-2009 11:24am

Window tint regs apply to windscreen and front side windows only...rear and rear side windows are exempt...it's been the case in Germany for years,I remember asking guys there why they didn't "finish off"the tint job once...had the facts explained to me,apparently it's a tuv fail.

Loud pipes do draw attention in traffic(my bike has straight-through pipes,handy when filtering)
Unfortunately the attention isn't always the welcome kind!

Seth Brundle · 19-07-2009 11:42am

bazzachazza wrote: »

I'll post this article again so people can read it again.

Yesterday, senior officers warned owners of modified cars they have until the end of the year to comply with regulations or face fines of up to €2,500 and/or three months in prison.

Gardai will use a special machine -- a Glass Tint Meter -- to measure the amount of natural light coming into cars which must be at least 75pc for windscreens and 70pc for the rest of the car windows. They will also use a machine to measure the level of engine noise.

By law, the maximum engine noise allowed is 80 decibels -- which equates to the noise in a busy street -- with sounds louder than this level considered dangerous to hearing. Windscreen and passenger and driver doors cannot be blackened.

(crap snipped)

If a car sitting by the side of the road has very dark tinted windows so much so that even during day time you cannot see inside then it is not complying with the law. Its doesn't matter who is driving the car. I would be dumbstruck if a car maker will produce and sell a car in a local market with ILLEGALLY tinted glass.

But what it will do is formalise the rules and regulations and provide the Gardai with a benchmark to check cars for compliance to the law.

I have not seen any reference to it so far in this thread but can someopne please let me know which law governs the exhaust noise levels and window tint levels that will be enforced?

Gumbo · 19-07-2009 4:09pm

x in the city wrote: »

not really, Im not a statistician but I would say the vast majority of road deaths/fatal accidents over the last 10 plus years would fit the typical boy racer stereo type

alloy wheels, miscellaneous valves and lsd's [not the narcotic type] and go faster stripes brigade

going to be a barrage of bs replies no doubt, but its true...

you have only to look at pictures of fatal accidents to notice a boy racer car a mile off.

no harm i say, besides think of all the money that can be saved [10,000e on mods that they wont ever get back...] :rolleyes:

i would like to see those statistics, i could pretty much guarantee that the majority of fatalties are from the average type of car.

mcwhirter · 19-07-2009 4:15pm

There was a rally through Meath today, plenty of cars would have exceeded the dB level stated. These cars were allowed to drive on regular roads through residential areas with no barriers etc. How come these cars aren't being pulled over. One rule for one,one rule for another. typical irish crap.

Interceptor · 19-07-2009 6:44pm

The average Garda can't manage to get drunk ould lads to blow into a breathyliser - how in the name of Jehovah are they going to perform a noise test which requires drive by at a certain speed and wind conditions to ensure it is consistant?

I borrowed a noise meter and at 5k rpm in my highly modified car it was reading 103dB but 10m away outside it was 88dB. At tickover inside the car it was 66dB and outside at 10m it was inaudible. I used have to wear ear plugs driving it long distances - its gone now but the deafness remains... <sob>

Im-possibeel...

'cptr

polyfusion · 19-07-2009 9:25pm

x in the city wrote: »

not really, Im not a statistician but I would say the vast majority of road deaths/fatal accidents over the last 10 plus years would fit the typical boy racer stereo type

alloy wheels, miscellaneous valves and lsd's [not the narcotic type] and go faster stripes brigade

going to be a barrage of bs replies no doubt, but its true...

you have only to look at pictures of fatal accidents to notice a boy racer car a mile off.

no harm i say, besides think of all the money that can be saved [10,000e on mods that they wont ever get back...] :rolleyes:

I'm not a statistician either, but I wouldn't think it would be a majority. A higher percentage, maybe, but as far as numbers go, I wouldn't think so.

Bottom line is most of the cnuts who drive around in severely modified cars should have been drowned at birth. But the law in this country is so badly constructed, all their talk about "crackdowns" is going to make fcuk all difference. There will always be some loophole for these **** to slip through, like we've seen countless time with our pedophile judges and serial rapists.

Did anyone see the boy racer who drove up the wrong side of the road at a traffic light junction with traffic island, headfirst into an innocent driver on the Blessington road on Friday night? Little fcuking cnut! I hope he dies on his own before he kills some innocent driver.

Atomic Pineapple · 19-07-2009 11:14pm

DaDumTish wrote: »

YES !

its about time these fcuktards got their come uppance

:rolleyes:

HashSlinging wrote: »

Having a modified car is like waving a red flag to the guards, and to those genuine enthusiasts it goes hand in hand with a lot of anti social behavior like it or not.

True, no enthusiasts denies that, What I'm saying is its totally unfair to brand everyone that drives a type of car as the same, I drive an Integra Type R and I'd imagine I would branded as a boy racer by a lot of the ill informed posters on these very boards, yet my car is completely standard, I don't cause a nuisance by driving up and down towns, my exhaust is quieter than most diesels yet simply because I drive an Integra Type R I will get branded by that and not by the way I behave on the roads.

I fully support the introduction of the noise pollution law as long as it targets the proper cause of nuisance to the general public and not people like me.

x in the city wrote: »

not really, Im not a statistician but I would say the vast majority of road deaths/fatal accidents over the last 10 plus years would fit the typical boy racer stereo type

alloy wheels, miscellaneous valves and lsd's [not the narcotic type] and go faster stripes brigade

going to be a barrage of bs replies no doubt, but its true...

you have only to look at pictures of fatal accidents to notice a boy racer car a mile off.

no harm i say, besides think of all the money that can be saved [10,000e on mods that they wont ever get back...] :rolleyes:

Thats strange when I see pics of fatal crashes on tv or the news its usually a bog standard car, usually followed by a statement saying a 50 year old male has crashed his car in the early hours of the morning in a single car "accident".

Cabaal · 20-07-2009 8:57am

draffodx wrote: »

Thats strange when I see pics of fatal crashes on tv or the news its usually a bog standard car, usually followed by a statement saying a 50 year old male has crashed his car in the early hours of the morning in a single car "accident".

Now your generalizing towards older ages, both you and I and the statistics know that people in accidents at the weekends and the like are generally in their 20's, the facts don't lie on this

While they may not all be "boyracors" the fact remains that this age group has a higher chance of accidents then other groups and this is also the age group that the vast majority of boy racers exist in so the actions being taken make sense

Cmar-Ireland · 20-07-2009 9:03am

I would like to see some stats on the ratio of modified vs. regular car crashes. I bet it is the regular ones that crash more. But the Boy Racer will always get more press coverage.

cpoh1 · 20-07-2009 9:41am

Cabaal wrote: »

Now your generalizing towards older ages, both you and I and the statistics know that people in accidents at the weekends and the like are generally in their 20's, the facts don't lie on this

While they may not all be "boyracors" the fact remains that this age group has a higher chance of accidents then other groups and this is also the age group that the vast majority of boy racers exist in so the actions being taken make sense

Well put it this way. The statisitics are broken into age catagories. 18-25 has the highest death rate, around 15% of all road deaths. Lets say that half those (being very very generous) are driving modified cars, thats only around 7% of all road traffic accidents a year. Hardly worth getting your knickers in a twist when you consider drink related deaths amount for around 30% of all deaths on the road.

Cuddlesworth · 20-07-2009 9:45am

Cmar-Ireland wrote: »

I would like to see some stats on the ratio of modified vs. regular car crashes. I bet it is the regular ones that crash more. But the Boy Racer will always get more press coverage.

Which would be useless without statistics to put it in perspective. Like percentage of modified cars to average cars, mileage driven compared to normal cars, areas and times driven etc....

--Kaiser-- · 20-07-2009 11:32am

x in the city wrote: »

not really, Im not a statistician but I would say the vast majority of road deaths/fatal accidents over the last 10 plus years would fit the typical boy racer stereo type

alloy wheels, miscellaneous valves and lsd's [not the narcotic type] and go faster stripes brigade

going to be a barrage of bs replies no doubt, but its true...

you have only to look at pictures of fatal accidents to notice a boy racer car a mile off.

no harm i say, besides think of all the money that can be saved [10,000e on mods that they wont ever get back...] :rolleyes:

I read the paper everyday and I can't remember the last time I saw picture of a fatal accident where a 'boy racer' car was involved. Not only are you not a statistician it is clear from your post that you do not know a thing a about cars, 'miscellaneous valves', what are you on about?

Quite a lot of modifications that can be done to cars make them a lot safer, brake upgrades for example make you stop quicker. LSDs make cars handle better, lower cars (done properly) stick to the road better (and means you have to slow down on ****ty roads and around speed bumps).

Seth Brundle · 20-07-2009 11:46am

Incidents are not really caused by replacing the exhaust, by sticking a table top onto the bootlid, by altering rim size or by tinting the windows. They are mainly caused by drivers not driving with due care for the prevalling conditions (and I'm including alcohol/drugs/tiredness in this group).

WillieCocker · 20-07-2009 11:52am

"Boy Racers" have no more accidents than any other category, sometimes less.
Not that i condone dangerous driving or speeding, but i've had far more incidents and near misses with elderly and the opposite sex.

I don't go screaming for all their heads though.:rolleyes:

faigs · 20-07-2009 12:07pm

Isn't honking your horn illegal in built up areas past a certain time at night? I live on a busy street in Dublin and some of those stupid looking Japanese import cars - white Hondas or whatever they are - speed up and down the street revving in a manner to show how loud their exhausts are. Now the noise levels are ridiculous from them - much louder than a car horn, and I have been woken up on numerous occasions by them. If there is a law to govern these noise levels, I welcome it!

Cmar-Ireland · 20-07-2009 12:22pm

I'd much prefer to see the Guards doing people for anti-social behaviour in their cars, rather than just targeting an easy-to-singleout group.
Loud exhausts and tints DONT cause accidents.

tonti27 · 20-07-2009 12:53pm

its about time the garda sorted this issue, it is just becomming a serious problem noise pollusion , crazy driving , and probably most of theae boy and girl racers are most likely not insured as they modify the preformance of there cars but fail to tell the insurance companys ( when you are getting an insurance quote one of the main questions asked is -is your car modified in any way)

TwoShedsJackson · 20-07-2009 12:59pm

WillieCocker wrote: »

"Boy Racers" have no more accidents than any other category, sometimes less.
Not that i condone dangerous driving or speeding, but i've had far more incidents and near misses with elderly and the opposite sex.

Opinion and anecdotes given as fact, sure that's that settled then.

Atomic Pineapple · 20-07-2009 1:00pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Now your generalizing towards older ages, both you and I and the statistics know that people in accidents at the weekends and the like are generally in their 20's, the facts don't lie on this

While they may not all be "boyracors" the fact remains that this age group has a higher chance of accidents then other groups and this is also the age group that the vast majority of boy racers exist in so the actions being taken make sense

I know I was generalizing, that was the point in my post really, to show that anybody can simply generalize any type of driver and stereotype them.

I dont deny the fact that younger people are involved in more crashes, that can only be natural due to inexperience, a better way to combat young deaths on the roads could possibly be to completely scrap the learner permit, current driving test format and do it properly, get teaching kids how to drive in secure areas at school, teach them everything properly, dont let them on public roads until they've done so many lessons, enforce the accompanied driver rule, and update the draconian driving test we have.

I mean who actually thinks the "he drives, she dies" campaign will have any positive effect? its just a waste of money.

faigs wrote: »

Isn't honking your horn illegal in built up areas past a certain time at night? I live on a busy street in Dublin and some of those stupid looking Japanese import cars - white Hondas or whatever they are - speed up and down the street revving in a manner to show how loud their exhausts are. Now the noise levels are ridiculous from them - much louder than a car horn, and I have been woken up on numerous occasions by them. If there is a law to govern these noise levels, I welcome it!

Its these kind of people that give everyone with a type of car a bad name and I am all for them getting cleared off the roads as well.

I drive a Honda Integra (its red though

) and I'm just like any other normal driver out there and I hate these ejits just as much as you do but please dont generalising what kind of a driver someone is by there car type, I know loads of people who drive Civics, Integras, Evo's, Imprezas, etc who are not like the people you describe.

Cmar-Ireland wrote: »

I'd much prefer to see the Guards doing people for anti-social behaviour in their cars, rather than just targeting an easy-to-singleout group.
Loud exhausts and tints DONT cause accidents.

Yep, just make causing noise in a built up area via constantly driving up and down the built up area against the law, thats a law directly targeting the trouble makers

tonti27 wrote: »

its about time the garda sorted this issue, it is just becomming a serious problem noise pollusion , crazy driving , and probably most of theae boy and girl racers are most likely not insured as they modify the preformance of there cars but fail to tell the insurance companys ( when you are getting an insurance quote one of the main questions asked is -is your car modified in any way)

Any proper car enthusiasts will inform the insurance company of performance modifications, it's actually surprisingly cheap to declare performance modifications, the people who are the cause of annoyance generally only stick on big exhausts on 1.4 cars and bodykits, lexus lights, neons, none of which improve performance but still should be declared to the insurance and I'd imagine your right, these people dont declare.

Also due to the serious price crash on cars unfortunately some of these ejits have gotten there hands on some half decent cars so are further more tarring the image of decent car enthusiasts

tonti27 · 20-07-2009 1:01pm

it is great to hear this crackdown is comming as boy and girl racers have become out of hand on our roads with dangerous driving, noise pollusion and further more most are probably not insured properly as how many boy and girl racers dont tell their insurance companys that they have modified their car and its engine proformance ( when you ring for an insurance quote the 1st question they ask "is your car modified in any way")

Seth Brundle · 20-07-2009 1:10pm

Can someone please tell me:
* what is a boy racer?
* what legislation will govern this clampdown?

tonti27 wrote: »

it is great to hear this crackdown is comming as boy and girl racers have become out of hand on our roads with dangerous driving, noise pollusion

nonsense!
You are making assumptions here about their dangerous driving! I see plenty of modified cars driving safely and also plenty of standard cars (proportionately more) driving dangerously!

However, leaving aside the ratios, etc. any driver willing to endanger themselves and others will do so regardless of the car they are driving.

tonti27 wrote: »

and further more most are probably not insured properly as how many boy and girl racers dont tell their insurance companys that they have modified their car and its engine proformance ( when you ring for an insurance quote the 1st question they ask "is your car modified in any way")

Again assumptions and irrelevant to the argument under discussion.

De Hipster · 20-07-2009 1:25pm

The sweeping generalisations in this thread show serious levels of contempt for a dubiously tagged section of society & are verging on the same educated and knowledgeably informed levels usually demonstrated by extreme unfounded racism.

Take the weekend deaths/serious injuries for example;

• Man in 50s killed while walking – no mention of the driver profile
• Man in his 20s lost his life in a single vehicle incident at Ballydooley – no mention of vehicle type
• A man in his 40s died when the lorry he was driving crashed off the main R190
• A motorcyclist, also in his 40s, died in a head-on collision with a car
• A motorcyclist in his 30s was killed when he crashed on the Crossakiel circuit
• A woman in her 50s was in a serious condition yesterday in Cork University Hospital following a road traffic incident (she was horse riding & hit by a truck)
• Three bikes collided in Co. Fermanagh seriously injuring two of the riders on early hours of Sunday morning.

Three single-vehicle incidents resulting in death; 20-something, 30 something & 40 something, vehicles – car, bike and truck respectively...those are the facts where is the proof that the majority of road deaths are attributable to boy-racers?

oldyouth · 20-07-2009 1:49pm

Yes, there are an awful lot of generalisations here but, from my point of view, a few things really get to be about boy racers.
Firstly, the noise. I don't want to hear these yokes at 1 in the morning thank you. You have the right to keep your car in any legal condition you want but I have rights too.
Secondly, when I hear the cars going up and down my road all night and my kids aren't home yet (they don't drive), I cannot relax with worry that something may happen if they are nearby.
Finally, I think they way some boy drivers pose and think that their piece of crap looks well with a Heinz Beans tin on the exhaust and an aeroplane wing on the boot, shows immaturity. There is nothing wrong with being immature when you are young, but please, not when you are driving on a road that I intend to use as well.

Not meant to offend anyone, just my thoughts

De Hipster · 20-07-2009 1:58pm

oldyouth wrote: »

Firstly, the noise. I don't want to hear these yokes at 1 in the morning thank you. You have the right to keep your car in any legal condition you want but I have rights too.

This argument could be had in relation to anything or anyone. You have kids, am I generalising when I assume that they will be noisy, annoying & loud?

SOME modified car do have louder stainless steel or performance exhausts, not all.

Secondly, when I hear the cars going up and down my road all night and my kids aren't home yet (they don't drive), I cannot relax with worry that something may happen if they are nearby.

This could be seen as verging on irrational fear.

Finally, I think they way some boy drivers pose and think that their piece of crap looks well with a Heinz Beans tin on the exhaust and an aeroplane wing on the boot, shows immaturity. There is nothing wrong with being immature when you are young, but please, not when you are driving on a road that I intend to use as well.

Lack of taste does not endanger lives nor cause deaths, immaturity will not kill people on the roads either...bad driving and inexperience can & that's not exclusive to modified motor drivers.

oldyouth · 20-07-2009 2:18pm

De Hipster wrote: »

This argument could be had in relation to anything or anyone. You have kids, am I generalising when I assume that they will be noisy, annoying & loud?
Some kids can be that and it is up to me to ensure that it doesn't impact on others. It would not be OK for me to say 'I'm OK, so what'

SOME modified car do have louder stainless steel or performance exhausts, not all.

This could be seen as verging on irrational fear.
I'll assume you have no kids. I find it hard to shut off sometimes when my kids are out at certain times or in certain parts of town. I wouldn'y be alone here

Lack of taste does not endanger lives nor cause deaths, immaturity will not kill people on the roads either...bad driving and inexperience can & that's not exclusive to modified motor drivers.

Immature and in control of a car is not a good mix in my opinion. Lack of taste in music, clothes, food, drink etc effects no-one and the more variety we have in people, the better for me

De Hipster · 20-07-2009 2:24pm

My point is that you are making sweeping generalisations and then defending them in relation to your kids.

I understand that parents are naturally protective of children and are sometimes prone to irrational fears when it comes to their children, but you seem happy to ignore middle-aged drivers, elderly drivers, incompetent or drunk drivers and focus your fears around a supposed group of 'boy-racers' who in all likelyhood pose as much or as little danger as any other group of road users.

Gumbo · 20-07-2009 2:25pm

oldyouth wrote: »

Immature and in control of a car is not a good mix in my opinion. Lack of taste in music, clothes, food, drink etc effects no-one and the more variety we have in people, the better for me

so your saying because of some peoples tastes in cars, they are more likely to casue a crash and kill others?

just because somebody doesnt share your taste in boring BMW 3 series or VW passats or mondeo doesnt make it right.

your kids are just as likely to be involved in an accident while in your car as they are in any other car, exhausts dont drive cars dangerously, the person behind the wheel does.

cpoh1 · 20-07-2009 2:48pm

I must say there is no accounting for taste. I hate in no particular order:

Pink t-shirts
Short Denim shorts
Fancy Mullet haircuts
Nike trainers with jeans
Dinner jackets and ralf lauren shirts
Chinos and dubes

All the people who wear the above have egos, like to pose or generally think they look great, thankfully it doesnt make them bad drivers though.

"Boy Racer" Crackdown

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