The (double) rapists mother sings outside the court

ihadu · 18-07-2009 07:24PM

billy the squid wrote: »

That doesn't answer my question, how is my post smug?

"might have something to do with discrimination also."

this statement mirrors the race card, unnecessary and sidetracking. i have not discriminated against travellers.

"And where has anyone claimed that recidivist rape is part of traveller culture, I don't hear traveller representatives coming out defending this man, do you?"

Myers insinuated there is a culture of silence with the issue of rape, not your extreme. Of course no one defended him, why say that...

i don't wish to go on like this so i'll bow out

billy the squid · 18-07-2009 07:40PM

ihadu wrote: »

"might have something to do with discrimination also."

this statement mirrors the race card, unnecessary and sidetracking. i have not discriminated against travellers.

I never said you did, I asked you why my statement was smug. The tone of the entire thread since it was mentioned that he was a traveller is that claim that crime and the like are "a part of traveller culture." "the prisons are full of them.2

The fact that there is a high proportion of travellers in prisons is not an indicator that crime is a part of their culture.

"And where has anyone claimed that recidivist rape is part of traveller culture, I don't hear traveller representatives coming out defending this man, do you?"

Myers insinuated there is a culture of silence with the issue of rape, not your extreme. Of course no one defended him, why say that...

i don't wish to go on like this so i'll bow out

His first victim was a traveller, who faught her way through the courts to get an abortion. hardly silent now, was she? She was also present at his sentencing this week for the second rape.

If you cannot tell me why my post was smug, then you shouldn't have posted it.

ihadu · 18-07-2009 07:50PM

"The fact that there is a high proportion of travellers in prisons is not an indicator that crime is a part of their culture."

amazingly i would say it does. i genuinely feel i don't need to explain why

His first victim was a traveller, who faught her way through the courts to get an abortion. hardly silent now, was she? She was also present at his sentencing this week for the second rape.

thats not exactly a fitting sample of travellers to draw your conclusion... 1 girl...
i have no idea of the going ons in the traveller community, i'm drawing conclusions from an article by Myers.

i said it was smug because i felt it was a cheap, sidetracking post.
i'm going out so can't continue this.

galwayrush · 18-07-2009 07:53PM

I'm not certain about this, but i remember hearing about another traveller girl who was raped some years back, and as a result, she was never allowed to get married because she was no longer a virgin.

asdasd · 18-07-2009 07:53PM

His being a tinker has no bearing on this case, if myers were to ever try being an actual journalist again he may well remember that and write something that isn't a siren call for people to just vent their spleens.

What Myers pointed out in that article - an article which used fairly simple words - was this easy to understand point: were the rapist to come from the settled community, he would not have had this entire family there supporting him and shouting abuse at the victims of his atrocious crime, and the victims of his previous crime who was raped at the age of 13.

BTW, were the victims family to retort - as opposed to maintain what the Irish Times called a dignified silence - they could be accused of a hate crime, depending on the words used.

the pathological actions of this man are indeed related to how the Irish society treats him. far too leniently because of his "ethnicity".

Just read the utterly vile Vincent Browne on the sole time in the last few years when a member of the powerless rural poor octogenarian ( or aging) class defended himself against the extremely violent actions of traveller criminals who deliberately target old isolated people - the Nally case.

Browne, an utter serpent, opined from his millionaire suburb about how the jury was like the Southern States when it nullified.

i have said this before: if the traveller "problems" are caused by lack of resources then put the halting sites in the richest areas of Dublin. Put them in Dublin 4. Put the McGinleys right beside Browne's house. He is the high Priest of D4 hypocrisy. He makes me retch.

Let the liberals reap what they have sown, not the powerless working , rural, and urban lower middle classes.

herya · 18-07-2009 08:14PM

asdasd wrote: »

What Myers pointed out in that article - an article which used fairly simple words - was this easy to understand point: were the rapist to come from the settled community, he would not have had this entire family there supporting him and shouting abuse at the victims of his atrocious crime, and the victims of his previous crime who was raped at the age of 13.

Fair point. But then again in crime infected areas you have whole families where small children are taught to attack others, sons shoot fathers' enemies and crime becomes a lifestyle supported by the whole family as well as the neighbours. These people are not travellers.

What his family did and still does is vile and atrocious but what I'm trying to say is that it is hardly unique to travellers in modern Ireland. Attributing it to traveller culture only is keeping your eyes firmly closed on the bigger picture of crime support which should be tackled regardless what's the culprit's background.

johnathan woss · 18-07-2009 08:54PM

billy the squid wrote: »

The fact that there is a high proportion of travellers in prisons is not an indicator that crime is a part of their culture.

Could you explain this incredible statement ?

irish_bob · 18-07-2009 10:45PM

billy the squid wrote: »

It still does not justify his ethnic backgroun d into the debate. being draggud up as a child has happened in the settled community also.

My hwhole point is that his being a Traveller is not the issue here. some people, as quoted below don't seem to think so

Again I ask, what has is ethnicity got to do with anything. 4rapes6days guy wasn't a traveller,

The case here is being used by some racists to have a go at all travellers, which is what I object to.

even you knock tinkers all day long , its not racism you moron , they are the same as most irish people , white caucasian , oh and btw , travellers are not discriminated against , the rest of us are ,

my brother employed tinkers to paint sheds on his farm a few summers ago , theese tinkers were legitimatley advertised in the farmers journal and in thier advert gave guarentees and assurances of service , anyway the paint was diesel with a drop of pain in it , a common scam tinkers use when painting sheds , my brother rang the advertising section of the farmers journal to complain that they were allowing unscrupolous and fraudulent business,s to advertise in thier publication , he explained that old vulnerable and poor farmers in rural ireland could be taken advantage of by this scam , next week the add was gone and it stayed that way for six months untill one week when the same add was back , my brother again rang up and was quickly briefed by a farmers journal employee that she would not engage in an EQUALITY debate , it turned out the tinkers complained to the equality authority about the farmers journal and they had to let this cowboy outfit advertise thier fraudelent services once again , now tell me , would a member of the settled community get away with something like that

The (double) rapists mother sings outside the court

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