Should junkies receive Social Welfare

Maddison · 15-07-2009 05:21PM

Gone Drinking wrote: »

That's easy.. they turn into the townies that go around mugging people.

Oh so only townies mug people:rolleyes:

thelordofcheese · 15-07-2009 05:21PM

Darragh29 wrote: »

A man living down in a field in the back of Connemara has no facilities worth talking about either, how come he doesn't become a heroin injecting junkie scumbag?

Because modern micracles like the hypodermic needle havn't made it to connemara yet. Though i'll bet dollars to doughnuts he's got one hell of a pickeled liver.

challengemaster · 15-07-2009 05:22PM

€200 is enough to buy more than enough ammo to kill about 300+ of them....yet again governments shíte use of money.

jeckel · 15-07-2009 05:22PM

Darragh29 wrote: »

A man living down in a field in the back of Connemara has no facilities worth talking about either, how come he doesn't become a heroin injecting junkie scumbag?

he can't get his hands on any decent gear.
plenty of alcoholics in the fields of connemara.

15-07-2009 05:29PM

I think junkies should be used as test subjects of the incinerators that are to be built around the country.

shqipshume · 15-07-2009 05:29PM

Nope they shouldnt,shouldnt be allowed kids either.They only spend their money on drugs when they get it then out begging or stealing to get some food and more drugs.:rolleyes:

Paparazzo · 15-07-2009 05:32PM

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Thats boll*x, there was plenty of needles in the playground where I grew up...they had the same facilities we all had.

Darragh29 wrote: »

I've been listening to this ****e for years now, "WE'VE NO FUUKIN FIIIICILLLITTTTIES MISTOR!"

They are junkie scumbags because they sign up to and are attracted to scumbag behavioural norms. These people are hostile to hard working people, they are hopelessly beyond any kind of conversion into even fractionally useful citizenship.

A man living down in a field in the back of Connemara has no facilities worth talking about either, how come he doesn't become a heroin injecting junkie scumbag?

Sorry, that was a blatant troll! But it's the line they always use. It's not their fault they decided to take heroin, it's the goverments for not giving them a swimmingpool:rolleyes:

Prof.Badass · 15-07-2009 05:44PM

genericguy wrote: »

i think, honestly, that the gardai should take all the heroin and coke they have seized, poison it, and send it back out onto the streets.

junkie problem solved.

They should do the same with alcohol too. That'll teach those drinking scum. Far bigger destroyers of society imho.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

A junkie incineration plant should be in order....

The plant should also cater for smokers too.

ScumLord wrote: »

No way, they should be made steal their drug money like a proper scumbag.

Yes, as should alco's and smokers.

challengemaster wrote: »

€200 is enough to buy more than enough ammo to kill about 300+ of them....yet again governments shíte use of money.

Kill all drugs users i say. Life is a privelege, not a right. For our children's children we must eliminate the use of ALL drugs.

rarnes1 wrote: »

I think junkies should be used as test subjects of the incinerators that are to be built around the country.

Test subjects? for when we start killing all those filthy smoking scum?

shqipshume wrote: »

Nope they shouldnt,shouldnt be allowed kids either.They only spend their money on drugs when they get it then out begging or stealing to get some food and more drugs.:rolleyes:

Exactly. I remember once coming home from mass on christmas day and my parents didn't even care that it was christmas. They just stood there drinking mulled wine in full view of us children :eek::eek::eek:!.

not to mention my dad used to smoke out on the porch every evening. He didn't even try and hide it from us :mad:.

It's a miracle i came out ok.

mossyj · 15-07-2009 05:45PM

jeckel wrote: »

plenty of alcoholics in the fields of connemara.

I dont condone alcoholism either but i havent ever heard of an alcoholic stabbing someone with a HIV infected needle.

My name is URL · 15-07-2009 05:49PM

They should get bread & board, not cash.

I have no problem in paying tax at all but I'd rather know that it was been used to educate youngsters in drug hot-spots around the country rather than been blindly given to addicts.

Prof.Badass · 15-07-2009 05:52PM

mossyj wrote: »

I dont condone alcoholism either but i havent ever heard of an alcoholic stabbing someone with a HIV infected needle.

Alcohol causes people to go out of their minds on violent rampages.

Every saturday night the streets of dublin run red with blood.

Remember brian murphy?

http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2005/feb/27/so-who-did-kill-brian-murphy-on-that-terrible-augu/

jeckel · 15-07-2009 05:53PM

mossyj wrote: »

I dont condone alcoholism either but i havent ever heard of an alcoholic stabbing someone with a HIV infected needle.

yeah but i'm sure you've heard of a few running down a child because they fully believe that they're fine to drive if they've only had 9 pints.

or taking umbrage with the wife and smashing her face in.

civis_liberalis · 15-07-2009 05:55PM

"Should junkies receive Social Welfare"

No.

St Pats fans are a bunch of scroungers.

Wertz · 15-07-2009 06:00PM

mossyj wrote: »

I dont condone alcoholism either but i havent ever heard of an alcoholic stabbing someone with a HIV infected needle.

That's a very fair point...they usually just use a broken bottle or somehting else that isn't nailed down...

On topic: I have somewhat of a problem with the gubberment borrowing millions per day so that part of it gets siphoned off by black market sellers of any product, be that heroin or some other vice...but that said, the amounts we're dealing with in comparison to bank bail outs, FÁS expenses scandals, pig famer compensation or whatever, are almost insignificant.

Heroin addict is going to get the money somewhere...taking dole off them isn't going to solve much. They'll probably die from malnutrition or sleeping rough or maybe their kids will...some people mightn't have a problem with that.

Last time I was down at the social welfare office I was chased. No entitlements to UB due to PRSI status...but I get outside the door and the local junkies are laughing it up standing about smoking, never worked a day in their lives...it's pretty hard to swallow, but it's just another aspect of life in Ireland; you work, you get penalised, you do f*ck all and they feed, clothe and medicate you.

I don't know what the answer is, short of buying in heroin wholesale from the afghanis, handing it out in lieu of dole payments and bypassing the dealers...at least it might stem the haemorrage of money that this nation is experiencing. Like I said, I don't know what the answer is...

Chips Lovell · 15-07-2009 06:04PM

So everyone pees in a cup to get their dole? Boom for the drug testing industry so. Wonder how much that will cost and how it will compare to the overall junkie dole bill? Of course everyone who is refused their dole will immediately go cold turkey and wouldn't dream of stealing to pay for their drugs.

Wertz · 15-07-2009 06:10PM

el tonto wrote: »

So everyone pees in a cup to get their dole? Boom for the drug testing industry so.

...and a real boon for the local urine retail market.

genericguy · 15-07-2009 06:14PM

mirwillbeback wrote: »

I f8cking hate them, how are their kids not taken into care ? Seen one give a three year old a smack across the hand one day that would have hurt an adult, and I regret ever since not going across and kicking the absolute sh!te outta him.

yes, you should have shown that junkie how to properly discipline the three year old.

genericguy · 15-07-2009 06:15PM

Darragh29 wrote: »

A man living down in a field in the back of Connemara has no facilities worth talking about either, how come he doesn't become a heroin injecting junkie scumbag?

That man is a junkie.

genericguy · 15-07-2009 06:17PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

I think junkies should be used as test subjects of the incinerators that are to be built around the country.

are we building incinerators to burn people?

DubMedic · 15-07-2009 06:53PM

genericguy wrote: »

are we building incinerators to burn people?

Godwins law tbh.

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AckwelFoley · 15-07-2009 07:05PM

genericguy wrote: »

i think, honestly, that the gardai should take all the heroin and coke they have seized, poison it, and send it back out onto the streets.

junkie problem solved.

Alot of the stuff that gardai seize on the streets ends up in their own living rooms.. dvds ciggys etc...

i know a few that work up in dublin have more dvds brought home at the weekend than knock off nigel

[/enter pc rants "gardai dont do that!!..how dare you tar us..erm i mean them with the one brush"]

Answer to that.. i really dont care.. you're entitled to them tbh..for having to deal with those scummers in the first place

Trinity · 15-07-2009 07:11PM

Quint wrote: »

It's not their fault they became junkies, they have no facilities in their area.

Are you messing?

I grew up in Ballymun from 1976 onwards and i am pretty sure there were these facilities called schools, ya know the places where you get an education to try to better yourself.

We had playgrounds, a local forest for catching tadpoles, we played kiss chasing, ball, rounders, then we had teenage discos, we had a swimming pool, we ran around the church 6 times to incite the devil and held seances in the garden to contact Elvis, we made the most of what we had and we were innocent as anything, and afaik the tiger that is no more pumped millions into Ballymun partnership, job centres, creches, playschools health facilities.

To become a junkie is a life choice, its a decision you make. I have seen good people take drugs and become addicted but they got off it even after being totally strung out. Its not impossible.

Sure we were offered heroin, some of us said no, the ones that didnt well half them are dead and the other well zombies.

so back to the question. 100 quid a week and the other hundred in food vouchers (they might sell them or they might feed their children)

arybvtcw0eolkf · 15-07-2009 07:22PM

Trinity wrote: »

Are you messing?

I grew up in Ballymun from 1976 onwards and i am pretty sure there were these facilities called schools, ya know the places where you get an education to try to better yourself.

We had playgrounds, a local forest for catching tadpoles, we played kiss chasing, ball, rounders, then we had teenage discos, we had a swimming pool, we ran around the church 6 times to incite the devil and held seances in the garden to contact Elvis, we made the most of what we had and we were innocent as anything, and afaik the tiger that is no more pumped millions into Ballymun partnership, job centres, creches, playschools health facilities.

Another Ballymun'er here!.

I too grew up in Ballymun through the 70's & 80's.

I've never stuck a needle into a vain, I wouldn't know a line of coke if it bit me in the bollox & smack is something I got for cursing or not eating all my dinner.

Sure, I've had friend's take a 'turn on' & totally fvck up their lives - done it in my company too, but it was a choice THEY made to go on the gear.

Junkies, honestly I hate to stand in judgement over people and I do believe we're all born equal but in my honest opinion they're vermin - they carry diseases & scurry about robbing, conning & blagging their way to their next fix, so I say "fvck em all to hell".

And I include the posh middle class fvckwits in that, if there was anything I was to agree with Micheal McDowell (PD leader) its when he said "for every line of coke someone does in Foxrock someone gets shot in Coolock".

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PCPhoto · 15-07-2009 07:26PM

Lia Some Rat wrote: »

And I include the posh middle class fvckwits in that, if there was anything I was to agree with Micheal McDowell (PD leader) its when he said "for every line of coke someone does in Foxrock someone gets shot in Coolock".

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and the downside is ..... ??

seriously .... some junkies are a result of being born addicted, I've said it about repeat criminals and i'll say it about junkies .....

sterilise them and stop them reproducing - it will result in less crime, less social welfare payments, less money spent supporting them.

Trinity · 15-07-2009 07:29PM

Lia Some Rat wrote: »

Another Ballymun'er here!.

I too grew up in Ballymun through the 70's & 80's.

I've never stuck a needle into a vain, I wouldn't know a line of coke if it bit me in the bollox & smack is something I got for cursing or not eating all my dinner.

Sure, I've had friend's take a 'turn on' & totally fvck up their lives - done it in my company too, but it was a choice THEY made to go on the gear.

Junkies, honestly I hate to stand in judgement over people and I do believe we're all born equal but in my honest opinion they're vermin - they carry diseases & scurry about robbing, conning & blagging their way to their next fix, so I say "fvck em all to hell".

And I include the posh middle class fvckwits in that, if there was anything I was to agree with Micheal McDowell (PD leader) its when he said "for every line of coke someone does in Foxrock someone gets shot in Coolock".

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I lost my childhood friend to drugs, but we were in the same position in life, just made different decisions even at a young age. I'll never understand it tbh

I was too busy playing kiss chasing, you're not the one that hit your tooth off my lip and made it bleed when ya caught me are ya ?

Gran Hermano · 15-07-2009 07:45PM

Pure madness that taxpayers are subsidising a lifestyle choice.

January · 15-07-2009 07:46PM

Maddison wrote: »

This is a tough one to call, on one hand I dont believe theat they should receive any benefits but on the other hand there are those addicts that have children to feed and also in all fairness I cannot stand junkies but they werent always addicts. I think that they should be sent to rehab which would be paid from their SW. At least this way they are given the help that is needed and Its not at the taxpayers expense.

TBH, don't you think if that was the answer the world would be a better place?

"Ah sure, just send em off to rehab and they'll be grand in a couple of months".

You can't help someone who is addicted to something unless they want to be helped. Believe me, I've seen enough junkies trying and failing to know this. Unfortunately a lot of them die before they realise they do need help.

What would happen there is, you would send them to rehab, they'd act like a good boy or girl while they were there and the second they get out they'll be back to their old ways again. I've seen it with alcoholics too.

rantyface · 15-07-2009 08:16PM

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

The irony is that a junky will get looked after much better than a poor misfortunate who has been working hard and has ended up on the dole.

The junky will get Medical Allowance as opposed to unemployment assistance.
This means that they don't have to go through the hassles of proving they're looking for work etc.

They'll get free travel for themselves and a friend on trains, buses, etc.

They'll also get weekly allowances of free prescription drugs such as valium, etc, which they usually sell on the street to net themselves anything up to €200 extra a week.

They'll also get a host of other benefits that aren't available to the legitimately unemployed.

Not to worry, at least we can rest assured that all the money they receive will be well spent.

But... they're junkies, they have wretched lives. Are things really so bad that we're jealous of junkies now?! While we had the money to do something about our major social issues, we paid low tax and sat on our arses watching our big flat screened tvs. But we didn't. And now we're sorry. Their children are also probably going to grow up to be junkies, are you going to blame the children personally or their circumstances?

Having said all that I love my job and don't mind paying tax so the junkies don't start mugging me and breaking into my house. I like working and being busy, I'd do it for free. To the OP- tough sh!t. Go to college if you want to do something more interesting. If you deserve a good job and have the right qualifications you'll get one. Meanwhile just suck it up.

January · 15-07-2009 08:21PM

vinylmesh wrote: »

Not if there isn't the political will to enact the solution involved.

Did you bother to read the rest of my post? Even if there was the political will to do it, it wouldn't work anyway!

ParkRunner · 15-07-2009 08:22PM

mirwillbeback wrote: »

I'm working in City Centre, in a job I hate to pay my way in life.

Today I couldn't get out of Tara St without walking through a crowd of zombies, and their children so decided to take the long way around.

I walked up town on lunch, and there are little packs of them on the Boardwalk, drinking their Bavaria and any other cheap beer topping up their tans.

Each of them would I imagine be getting 204 euro a week for being " available for work " or some medical exemption.

I f8cking hate them, how are their kids not taken into care ? Seen one give a three year old a smack across the hand one day that would have hurt an adult, and I regret ever since not going across and kicking the absolute sh!te outta him.

. :mad:

Your life closely resembles mine! It's particularly refreshing to see that the Liffey is the new recycling depot for beer cans when a bin is just a small few feet away.

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