Should junkies receive Social Welfare

mirwillbeback

I'm working in City Centre, in a job I hate to pay my way in life.

Today I couldn't get out of Tara St without walking through a crowd of zombies, and their children so decided to take the long way around.

I walked up town on lunch, and there are little packs of them on the Boardwalk, drinking their Bavaria and any other cheap beer topping up their tans.

Each of them would I imagine be getting 204 euro a week for being " available for work " or some medical exemption.

I f8cking hate them, how are their kids not taken into care ? Seen one give a three year old a smack across the hand one day that would have hurt an adult, and I regret ever since not going across and kicking the absolute sh!te outta him.


. :mad:

thelordofcheese

"Should junkies receive Social Welfare"

Yes.

next question.

genericguy

i think, honestly, that the gardai should take all the heroin and coke they have seized, poison it, and send it back out onto the streets.

junkie problem solved.

jumpguy

I think we should have a system where you recieve social welfare for 6 months, then get your case examined. If one is making a decent effort to find a job or get educated, they can hold on for another 3 months and get examined every 3 months. If we had something like that, it'd be impossible for people to claim abroad.

Wurly

genericguy wrote: »

i think, honestly, that the gardai should take all the heroin and coke they have seized, poison it, and send it back out onto the streets.

junkie problem solved.

Just - wow!

partyatmygaff

A junkie incineration plant should be in order....

If it bothers you so much, give "The_Citizen" a PM, he'll sort them out and send them where they belong.

WindSock

genericguy wrote: »

i think, honestly, that the gardai should take all the heroin and coke they have seized, poison it, and send it back out onto the streets.

junkie problem solved.

Oh but not the Coke. Coke is a middle class drug and those who die while taking it are angels up in heaven.

nibtrix

No. I think anyone on the dole should be made to work for it; road sweeping, cleaning etc.

I'm on the dole btw, after years of working and paying tax. I'm looking for a job everyday but I still think after a couple of months I should have to do something for my money!

WindSock

nibtrix wrote: »

No. I think anyone on the dole should be made to work for it; road sweeping, cleaning etc.

I'm on the dole btw, after years of working and paying tax. I'm looking for a job everyday but I still think after a couple of months I should have to do something for my money!

Then volunteer!

Amberjack

When I worked in the City Centre, I used to walk past them day in and day out, openly dealing outside Tara St Station with kids in buggies and no-one ever seemed to do anything about it. You really wonder what sort of a life those children will have if that is the environment they grow up in.

nibtrix

WindSock wrote: »

Then volunteer!

Already do! Ta

shenanigans1982

Of course they should, it's not like they are to blame for being junkies...hard knock life and all that.

Armin_Tamzarian

The irony is that a junky will get looked after much better than a poor misfortunate who has been working hard and has ended up on the dole.

The junky will get Medical Allowance as opposed to unemployment assistance.
This means that they don't have to go through the hassles of proving they're looking for work etc.

They'll get free travel for themselves and a friend on trains, buses, etc.

They'll also get weekly allowances of free prescription drugs such as valium, etc, which they usually sell on the street to net themselves anything up to €200 extra a week.

They'll also get a host of other benefits that aren't available to the legitimately unemployed.

Not to worry, at least we can rest assured that all the money they receive will be well spent.

Maddison

This is a tough one to call, on one hand I dont believe theat they should receive any benefits but on the other hand there are those addicts that have children to feed and also in all fairness I cannot stand junkies but they werent always addicts. I think that they should be sent to rehab which would be paid from their SW. At least this way they are given the help that is needed and Its not at the taxpayers expense.

az2wp0sye65487

thelordofcheese wrote: »

"Should junkies receive Social Welfare"

Yes.

next question.

My next question would be: Why?

NilByMouth

Armin_Tamzarian wrote: »

The irnoy is that a junkey will get looked after much better than a poor misfortunate who has been working hard and has ended up on the dole.

The junkey will get Medical Allowance as opposed to unemployment assistance.
This means that they don't have to go through the hassles of proving they're looking for work etc.

They'll get free travel for themselves and a friend on trains, buses, etc.

They'll also get weekly allowances of free prescription drugs such as valium, etc, which they usually sell on the street to net themselves anything up to €200 extra a week.

They'll also get a host of other benefits that aren't available to the legitamately unemployed.

Not to worry, at least we can rest assured that all the money they receive will be well spent.

you serious?must get myself strung out.Do you know if you can keep your rent allowance?

ScumLord

No way, they should be made steal their drug money like a proper scumbag.

Quint

It's not their fault they became junkies, they have no facilities in their area.

Gone Drinking

Amberjack wrote: »

You really wonder what sort of a life those children will have if that is the environment they grow up in.

That's easy.. they turn into the townies that go around mugging people.

genericguy

Mckenna Flaky Self-sufficient wrote: »

My next question would be: Why?

I'm going to take a stab at this from the lefty point of view -

"because they had no facilities as children"

"we must try to rehabilitate them"

"it's our fault as a society"

"we can't turn our backs on them"

I think maybe we should cut out the middle man - give them smack instead. Free smack for all junkies, the only catch is you have to do 4kg of it in one go.

Junkie problem solved.

genericguy

Trí wrote: »

Just - wow!

I know, so simple, yet so effective.

ScumLord

genericguy wrote: »

I'm going to take a stab at this from the lefty point of view -

"because they had no facilities as children"

"we must try to rehabilitate them"

"it's our fault as a society"

"we can't turn our backs on them"

I think maybe we should cut out the middle man - give them smack instead. Free smack for all junkies, the only catch is you have to do 4kg of it in one go.

Junkie problem solved.

Either that or we'll breed super junkies.

az2wp0sye65487

I'm sure the majority of us here; and indeed the majority of Irish society, had no 'facilities' growing up.

Most of us turned out fine. What a cop out.

jeckel

well it's 200 quid they don't have to rob i suppose.

i don't see the advantage in cutting off a junkies dole. it's not going to make them get clean or seek gainful employment so all it'll do is make you feel better about you ****ty job, hardly a good trade off.

if we're paying politicians all those expenses to piss away in the dail bar and public servants all that cash to sit around looking half interested, we might as well pay junkies to sit and drink on the board walk. at least the junkies are honest about being total wasters.

97i9y3941

whats the point,the taxpayer already pays for them to get treatment and off the stuff,money or to steal gets their fix,so giving them the dole gives them their fix again so another relapse...

ejmaztec

mirwillbeback wrote: »

I'm working in City Centre, in a job I hate to pay my way in life.

Today I couldn't get out of Tara St without walking through a crowd of zombies, and their children so decided to take the long way around.

I walked up town on lunch, and there are little packs of them on the Boardwalk, drinking their Bavaria and any other cheap beer topping up their tans.

Each of them would I imagine be getting 204 euro a week for being " available for work " or some medical exemption.

I f8cking hate them, how are their kids not taken into care ? Seen one give a three year old a smack across the hand one day that would have hurt an adult, and I regret ever since not going across and kicking the absolute sh!te outta him.


. :mad:

That's a bit harsh, wanting to kick the sh1te out of a three year old just because his parents are junkies.:eek:

shenanigans1982

Quint wrote: »

It's not their fault they became junkies, they have no facilities in their area.

Thats boll*x, there was plenty of needles in the playground where I grew up...they had the same facilities we all had.

97i9y3941

true,we often hear the sob stories of people having nothing so they stole and such,but then many of us had nothing growing up either but we didnt turn to crime...

Itsdacraic

Ah damn you anyways, now I have a craving for heroin. Sound.

thelordofcheese

genericguy wrote: »

I'm going to take a stab at this from the lefty point of view -

"because they had no facilities as children"

"we must try to rehabilitate them"

"it's our fault as a society"

"we can't turn our backs on them"

I think maybe we should cut out the middle man - give them smack instead. Free smack for all junkies, the only catch is you have to do 4kg of it in one go.

Junkie problem solved.

My aren't you a little bundle of sterotypes and self righteous indignation.

And now for a response you didn't fart out while thinking you were being clever.


They real question is why shouldn't they?

"Because they're junkies and i don't like how they spend their money"

Fair enough, but that's no reason to stop the payment, because we don't give out social welfare payments based on what we think people might do with it.

The government gives people the money to do with as they please, from that point on it's no business of theirs. There are no conditions on what you should spend it on, the assumption is that as an adult you'll do it wisely and if you don't well then, you don't.

If they want to waste it on drugs that's their decision.

Darragh29

Quint wrote: »

It's not their fault they became junkies, they have no facilities in their area.

I've been listening to this ****e for years now, "WE'VE NO FUUKIN FIIIICILLLITTTTIES MISTOR!"

They are junkie scumbags because they sign up to and are attracted to scumbag behavioural norms. These people are hostile to hard working people, they are hopelessly beyond any kind of conversion into even fractionally useful citizenship.

A man living down in a field in the back of Connemara has no facilities worth talking about either, how come he doesn't become a heroin injecting junkie scumbag?

Maddison

Gone Drinking wrote: »

That's easy.. they turn into the townies that go around mugging people.

Oh so only townies mug people:rolleyes:

thelordofcheese

Darragh29 wrote: »

A man living down in a field in the back of Connemara has no facilities worth talking about either, how come he doesn't become a heroin injecting junkie scumbag?

Because modern micracles like the hypodermic needle havn't made it to connemara yet. Though i'll bet dollars to doughnuts he's got one hell of a pickeled liver.

challengemaster

€200 is enough to buy more than enough ammo to kill about 300+ of them....yet again governments shíte use of money.

jeckel

Darragh29 wrote: »

A man living down in a field in the back of Connemara has no facilities worth talking about either, how come he doesn't become a heroin injecting junkie scumbag?

he can't get his hands on any decent gear.
plenty of alcoholics in the fields of connemara.

I think junkies should be used as test subjects of the incinerators that are to be built around the country.

shqipshume

Nope they shouldnt,shouldnt be allowed kids either.They only spend their money on drugs when they get it then out begging or stealing to get some food and more drugs.:rolleyes:

Paparazzo

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Thats boll*x, there was plenty of needles in the playground where I grew up...they had the same facilities we all had.

Darragh29 wrote: »

I've been listening to this ****e for years now, "WE'VE NO FUUKIN FIIIICILLLITTTTIES MISTOR!"

They are junkie scumbags because they sign up to and are attracted to scumbag behavioural norms. These people are hostile to hard working people, they are hopelessly beyond any kind of conversion into even fractionally useful citizenship.

A man living down in a field in the back of Connemara has no facilities worth talking about either, how come he doesn't become a heroin injecting junkie scumbag?

Sorry, that was a blatant troll! But it's the line they always use. It's not their fault they decided to take heroin, it's the goverments for not giving them a swimmingpool:rolleyes:

Prof.Badass

genericguy wrote: »

i think, honestly, that the gardai should take all the heroin and coke they have seized, poison it, and send it back out onto the streets.

junkie problem solved.

They should do the same with alcohol too. That'll teach those drinking scum. Far bigger destroyers of society imho.

partyatmygaff wrote: »

A junkie incineration plant should be in order....

The plant should also cater for smokers too.

ScumLord wrote: »

No way, they should be made steal their drug money like a proper scumbag.

Yes, as should alco's and smokers.

challengemaster wrote: »

€200 is enough to buy more than enough ammo to kill about 300+ of them....yet again governments shíte use of money.

Kill all drugs users i say. Life is a privelege, not a right. For our children's children we must eliminate the use of ALL drugs.

rarnes1 wrote: »

I think junkies should be used as test subjects of the incinerators that are to be built around the country.

Test subjects? for when we start killing all those filthy smoking scum?

shqipshume wrote: »

Nope they shouldnt,shouldnt be allowed kids either.They only spend their money on drugs when they get it then out begging or stealing to get some food and more drugs.:rolleyes:

Exactly. I remember once coming home from mass on christmas day and my parents didn't even care that it was christmas. They just stood there drinking mulled wine in full view of us children :eek::eek::eek:!.

not to mention my dad used to smoke out on the porch every evening. He didn't even try and hide it from us :mad:.

It's a miracle i came out ok.

mossyj

jeckel wrote: »

plenty of alcoholics in the fields of connemara.

I dont condone alcoholism either but i havent ever heard of an alcoholic stabbing someone with a HIV infected needle.

My name is URL

They should get bread & board, not cash.

I have no problem in paying tax at all but I'd rather know that it was been used to educate youngsters in drug hot-spots around the country rather than been blindly given to addicts.

Prof.Badass

mossyj wrote: »

I dont condone alcoholism either but i havent ever heard of an alcoholic stabbing someone with a HIV infected needle.

Alcohol causes people to go out of their minds on violent rampages.

Every saturday night the streets of dublin run red with blood.

Remember brian murphy?

http://www.tribune.ie/archive/article/2005/feb/27/so-who-did-kill-brian-murphy-on-that-terrible-augu/

jeckel

mossyj wrote: »

I dont condone alcoholism either but i havent ever heard of an alcoholic stabbing someone with a HIV infected needle.

yeah but i'm sure you've heard of a few running down a child because they fully believe that they're fine to drive if they've only had 9 pints.

or taking umbrage with the wife and smashing her face in.

civis_liberalis

"Should junkies receive Social Welfare"

No.

St Pats fans are a bunch of scroungers.

Wertz

mossyj wrote: »

I dont condone alcoholism either but i havent ever heard of an alcoholic stabbing someone with a HIV infected needle.

That's a very fair point...they usually just use a broken bottle or somehting else that isn't nailed down...

On topic: I have somewhat of a problem with the gubberment borrowing millions per day so that part of it gets siphoned off by black market sellers of any product, be that heroin or some other vice...but that said, the amounts we're dealing with in comparison to bank bail outs, FÁS expenses scandals, pig famer compensation or whatever, are almost insignificant.

Heroin addict is going to get the money somewhere...taking dole off them isn't going to solve much. They'll probably die from malnutrition or sleeping rough or maybe their kids will...some people mightn't have a problem with that.

Last time I was down at the social welfare office I was chased. No entitlements to UB due to PRSI status...but I get outside the door and the local junkies are laughing it up standing about smoking, never worked a day in their lives...it's pretty hard to swallow, but it's just another aspect of life in Ireland; you work, you get penalised, you do f*ck all and they feed, clothe and medicate you.

I don't know what the answer is, short of buying in heroin wholesale from the afghanis, handing it out in lieu of dole payments and bypassing the dealers...at least it might stem the haemorrage of money that this nation is experiencing. Like I said, I don't know what the answer is...

Chips Lovell

So everyone pees in a cup to get their dole? Boom for the drug testing industry so. Wonder how much that will cost and how it will compare to the overall junkie dole bill? Of course everyone who is refused their dole will immediately go cold turkey and wouldn't dream of stealing to pay for their drugs.

Wertz

el tonto wrote: »

So everyone pees in a cup to get their dole? Boom for the drug testing industry so.

...and a real boon for the local urine retail market.

genericguy

mirwillbeback wrote: »

I f8cking hate them, how are their kids not taken into care ? Seen one give a three year old a smack across the hand one day that would have hurt an adult, and I regret ever since not going across and kicking the absolute sh!te outta him.

yes, you should have shown that junkie how to properly discipline the three year old.

genericguy

Darragh29 wrote: »

A man living down in a field in the back of Connemara has no facilities worth talking about either, how come he doesn't become a heroin injecting junkie scumbag?

That man is a junkie.

genericguy

rarnes1 wrote: »

I think junkies should be used as test subjects of the incinerators that are to be built around the country.

are we building incinerators to burn people?

DubMedic

genericguy wrote: »

are we building incinerators to burn people?

Godwins law tbh.

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