Outside smoking areas

05-07-2009 09:24PM #1

So many clubs/pubs now have bars in the smoking areas outside.

It just occurred to me last night that the bar staff at these bars are exposed to second hand smoke and doesn't that defeat the purpose of the smoking ban which was to protect people at work ??

Are clubs/pubs not actually breaking the law by doing this?

Whosbetter? · 05-07-2009 09:37PM

No,& the whole purpose of the smoking ban was to harrass & annoy ordinary decent people who happen to smoke.

Greenmachine · 05-07-2009 09:37PM

Good question went to a Nightclub over the weekend with a rooftop smoking area and bar. How it could possibly comply with regulations I don't know.

Overheal · 05-07-2009 10:36PM

Neither do I.

The big nightclub in Carlow has a rooftop bar and lounge. Now I like a cig when Im drinking, but you dont even need to light up when you get in that box. Place is a haze.

All the ban has done is packed smokers into hotboxes. Defeats the purpose for anyone who has to work in those areas.

BaconZombie · 05-07-2009 11:00PM

Pubs in Amsterdam have found the best way around the smoking ban.
All tobacco cigarettes are banned but pure grass joints are fine.

Mimikyu · 05-07-2009 11:00PM

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markok84 · 05-07-2009 11:05PM

maybe they should just ban smoking altogether and bubble rap all pointy items, and maybe introduce a curfew.

TheZohanS · 05-07-2009 11:11PM

salonfire wrote: »

It just occurred to me last night that the bar staff at these bars are exposed to second hand smoke and doesn't that defeat the purpose of the smoking ban which was to protect people at work ??

You're doing it wrong.

ScumLord · 05-07-2009 11:18PM

BOFH_139 wrote: »

Pubs in Amsterdam have found the best way around the smoking ban.
All tobacco cigarettes are banned but pure grass joints are fine.

You can still smoke mixed spliffs like with everything in Holland it's just common sense rule. Don't leave your fags on the table and your fine. In Rotterdam smokers of tobacco go into the coffeeeshops to have a fag.

Greenmachine · 05-07-2009 11:25PM

Captain Morgan wrote: »

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This place in particular was described as a rooftop how it fits the descrition I don't know.

Kimia · 05-07-2009 11:28PM

Oh get down off your non-smoking, clean lunged pedastal ffs. You've already forced us outside, what more do you want?

Whosbetter? · 05-07-2009 11:57PM

Kimia wrote: »

Oh get down off your non-smoking, clean lunged pedastal ffs. You've already forced us outside, what more do you want?

+1 to that!
It's an attitude that some people have unfortunately.
I bet OP and people like that are not even slightly concerened about the health of the barstaff etc.

They just like to nitpick at things in life & critizise people in general.
Above all, they hate people that they think 'get away' with things that they think are not strictly kosher.

They hate entrepreneurial types, cos they themselves never had the wit to think of anything original/new to do in life.

Instead, they become Traffic wardens, Tax Inspectors, 'elf 'n sayefty' bods,jobsworths & general dickheads.

The good news is that they're so uptight that they die sooner than the rest of us.
The bad news is that they're allowed to procreate.

Rant over.

mink_man · 06-07-2009 01:20AM

get on wit it sure

ottostreet · 06-07-2009 01:24AM

place i DJ in in carlow has an outside smoking area that is also...inside.

not really sure how it works cos its basically just a really nice warm room with an aquarium, but stinks of smoke as well.

Whosbetter? · 06-07-2009 01:35AM

ottostreet wrote: »

place i DJ in in carlow has an outside smoking area that is also...inside.

not really sure how it works cos its basically just a really nice warm room with an aquarium, but stinks of smoke as well.

Aaahh....ya poor little mite.
Does it affect your asthma/hayfever or whatever???!!!

marcsignal · 06-07-2009 01:42AM

salonfire wrote: »

So many clubs/pubs now have bars in the smoking areas outside.

see the big mfkn hole in your gripe right there ??? :rolleyes:

Kersmash · 06-07-2009 02:32AM

Jaysus first they complain about smoking inside, then they complain about smoking outside, what's next?

In All Fairness · 06-07-2009 02:45AM

salonfire wrote: »

So many clubs/pubs now have bars in the smoking areas outside.

It just occurred to me last night that the bar staff at these bars are exposed to second hand smoke and doesn't that defeat the purpose of the smoking ban which was to protect people at work ??

Are clubs/pubs not actually breaking the law by doing this?

No idea. You should have asked the barman.

ottostreet · 06-07-2009 03:03AM

Whosbetter? wrote: »

Aaahh....ya poor little mite.
Does it affect your asthma/hayfever or whatever???!!!

nope. why would it considering i have neither?

im curious as to why you have an attitude on ya as well?

Overheal · 06-07-2009 03:41AM

ottostreet wrote: »

place i DJ in in carlow has an outside smoking area that is also...inside.

not really sure how it works cos its basically just a really nice warm room with an aquarium, but stinks of smoke as well.

you and i might be thinking of the same place. Used to work for the tools actually.

Which reminds me: if youve been there ages, I do have a small gripe with you and your never-changing playlist. Hearing Sexy-Back still gives me the chills.

ottostreet · 06-07-2009 03:47AM

Overheal wrote: »

you and i might be thinking of the same place. Used to work for the tools actually.

Which reminds me: if youve been there ages, I do have a small gripe with you and your never-changing playlist. Hearing Sexy-Back still gives me the chills.

lol... im there since patricks weekend 2008, and i have NEVER played sexyback!
is there any way we can check whether we are talking about the same place?

male owner, female manager?

Overheal · 06-07-2009 03:50AM

ottostreet wrote: »

lol... im there since patricks weekend 2008, and i have NEVER played sexyback!
is there any way we can check whether we are talking about the same place?

male owner, female manager?

Nah I quit 12 months before you. PM sent

laugh · 06-07-2009 03:54AM

Kersmash wrote: »

Jaysus first they complain about smoking inside, then they complain about smoking outside, what's next?

In most of these places, especially in Carlow it barely seems like the smoking areas are outdoor. They have tiny gaps that seem to allow them to call it outdoors, the funny thing is most modern bars were fitted with equipment to constantly change the air inside like a bunch of times an hour, but these "outdoor" smoking areas arn't.

Rented Mule · 06-07-2009 09:32AM

laugh wrote: »

In most of these places, especially in Carlow it barely seems like the smoking areas are outdoor. They have tiny gaps that seem to allow them to call it outdoors, the funny thing is most modern bars were fitted with equipment to constantly change the air inside like a bunch of times an hour, but these "outdoor" smoking areas arn't.

I believe we have just found the cause of Global Warming.

Pace2008 · 06-07-2009 09:45AM

When you're outside the smoke has plenty of space to go so it diffuses rapidly. The bar staff and non-smoking members of the public aren't in any danger at all.

Irish Halo · 06-07-2009 09:53AM

Strangely enough (I was shocked) the Irish legislation is very well written and leaves no real grey areas or loop holes (unlike the English, Swiss, German and French which have all been contested, delayed, repealed or poorly though out).

The legislation in Ireland defines a workplace you can smoke in as:
* A place or premises, or part of a place or premises, that is wholly uncovered by any roof, fixed or mobile.
* An outdoor place or premises that is covered by a roof, so long as not more than 50% of the perimeter (outside) is covered by a wall, windows, gate or similar.

So no roof then you can smoke.

If it has a roof (includes awnings/semi-permanent/movable structures) there can be no more than 2 full walls i.e. 2 walls or 4 half walls or 1 wall with 2 half walls etc etc. This means doorways are enclosed spaces and you may not smoke in them as they have 3 full walls and a roof. It also means that if there is an outside area which has a roof at one end and the section with a roof has three solid walls holding up said roof then you cannot smoke there.

If you are in a "smoking area" which doesn't fit this description it is not a smoking area and you and the premises are liable for a €5,000 fine (although there is a tiny chance you could get away with it as that was the space provided by the owner but I am not a legal expert of any kind).

Red Alert · 06-07-2009 10:04AM

Ye smokers will never be happy until you are stinking up the indoors again.

funk-you · 06-07-2009 12:41PM

Anyone else notice that smoking areas have the best craic? Really does show that smokers are cool.

-Funk

Professey Chin · 06-07-2009 01:01PM

Kimia wrote: »

Oh get down off your non-smoking, clean lunged pedastal ffs. You've already forced us outside, what more do you want?

Ill take your clothes,your boots and your motorcycle

06-07-2009 05:33PM

Err, just to clarify I wasn't haven't a go - in fact I spend all night in smoking areas.

Its just that in my drink fuelled wisdom, I thought it was an oddity - thats all.

rossie1977 · 06-07-2009 06:08PM

Whosbetter? wrote: »

No,& the whole purpose of the smoking ban was to harrass & annoy ordinary decent people who happen to smoke.

[me playing worlds saddest song on the worlds smallest violin] :pac:

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