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  • #152
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Onkle wrote: »
    By who?

    By the people they moderate. I was under the impression that was their job.


  • #153
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    Deleted User wrote: »
    By the people they moderate. I was under the impression that was their job.
    Best on the site though?


  • #154
    Macspower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Macspower


    Boston wrote: »
    Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out lads. If anyone is to blame it's you useless excuses for moderators. Especially KevIRL. I read your post saying it was ok to troll TCN. You're not fit to mod any forum on boards.ie.




    This is not Devores fault, it's the "bad apples" and the moderators who allow it to happen. This victimisation bint you're on isn't winning anyone over. Why don't you do like you comrades did and fall on your own sword, at least that would show you taking some responsibility.



    Ironic considering the lack of judgement from the poker forum mods.



    Nah, I recon all the mods should be demodded, the thread restored and the trolling users site banned.

    This I will NEVER stand for... the moderation by the mods in the poker forum has probably been the best modding of anywhere I've ever seen

    DEV for gods sake come on and stand up for DOM/STE/KEV/Lloyd you know these guys and the job they have done.. BE A MAN and BE COUNTED and come on here and defend your mods and you will get some respect from me...

    then deal with the BBV issue


  • #155
    Macspower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Macspower


    Onkle wrote: »
    By who? I would say allowing a raid on another forum was pretty bad on the part of the mods tbh. I know if I tried something like that in say the noc forum my ass would be booted out of there quicker than I could blink.


    Kinetic was backing up what had already been stated by the poker mods. I didn't see any poker mods online or taking action when Kinetic carried out his duty. And how do you know that posts were not reported?
    I don't think that Kinetic just decided to throw himself in there and throw his weight around



    edit: this thread is moving fast. That'll learn me to go to the jacks while typing a reply

    view my OP in this thread please.. was part of his job to delete a valid viewpoint and any attempt to discuss the matter?


  • #156
    fatguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭fatguy


    You guys just don't recognises how truely reprehensibly your actions where.
    They weren't our actions.


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  • #157
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boston wrote: »
    I love the may you guys constantly accuse the Admins of making a mistake without recognising the ones committed by the poker forum regulars and the mods.

    Eh...this is total nonsense frankly.

    Numerous posters have stated that the people who went into TCN should be punished. In fact, as I was one of those people, I said in my Help Desk thread;
    Kayroo's Help Desk Thread wrote:
    I freely hold my hand up and say that my post in the Cuckoo's Nest thread was completely out of line, as were the posts of a great number of other poker forum posters. This was done for no other reason than we believed, in our arrogance perhaps, that the "Let's Count to a Million" thread was something to be mocked. Regardless, our actions were wrong and deserve punishment. However to punish the entire forum (BBV is the most viewed thread on the entire site after all) seems somewhat disproportionate to the crime.

    I would freely accept a ban from poker, or indeed a site ban, for whatever the admins thought was a reasonable amount of time to reconcile my actions. I am sure many if not all of the other offenders would do the same so that we could restore the BBV to its former pride of place at the top of the Poker Forum.


    So where exactly is there a refusal to take responsibility? Nobody is saying there should be no repercussions, they are saying that the repercussions should fall upon the shoulders of those responsible and not, through some artificial logic that spreads the blame as far as possible, to the poker forum at large.

    That thread was the heart of the poker forum and Dev, at the very least, knew that. He was involved, and often still is involved, enough to recognise the connection many people feel for that thread.


  • #158
    Hyzepher
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,664 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    Boston wrote: »
    Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out lads. If anyone is to blame it's you useless excuses for moderators. Especially KevIRL. I read your post saying it was ok to troll TCN. You're not fit to mod any forum on boards.ie.




    This is not Devores fault, it's the "bad apples" and the moderators who allow it to happen. This victimisation bint you're on isn't winning anyone over. Why don't you do like you comrades did and fall on your own sword, at least that would show you taking some responsibility.



    Ironic considering the lack of judgement from the poker forum mods.



    Nah, I recon all the mods should be demodded, the thread restored and the trolling users site banned.


    Maybe there is some truth to all this anti-poker forum conspiracy. i can't beleive the reaction this is getting from people who don't use the poker forum or the count to million thread.

    And the generalisations are just mindblowing


  • #159
    Wreck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭Wreck


    Boston wrote: »
    Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out lads. If anyone is to blame it's you useless excuses for moderators. Especially KevIRL. I read your post saying it was ok to troll TCN. You're not fit to mod any forum on boards.ie.


    This is not Devores fault, it's the "bad apples" and the moderators who allow it to happen. This victimisation bint you're on isn't winning anyone over. Why don't you do like you comrades did and fall on your own sword, at least that would show you taking some responsibility.

    Ironic considering the lack of judgement from the poker forum mods.


    Nah, I recon all the mods should be demodded, the thread restored and the trolling users site banned.

    Truly disgusting post imo.


  • #160
    fatguy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭fatguy


    By who? I would say allowing a raid on another forum was pretty bad on the part of the mods tbh. I know if I tried something like that in say the noc forum my ass would be booted out of there quicker than I could blink.
    I agree completely. Kev's post saying it was ok to raid that thread was indeed inappropriate, but why am I being punished for it?


  • #161
    cardshark202
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,434 ✭✭✭cardshark202


    OK so the guilty parties are:

    The guys who posted in the counting thread.
    All the poker forum mods(not one or two, ALL of them) because they would all have known exactly what was happening right away
    Every single person who reads or posts in the poker forum.

    EDIT: I assume any posters of TCN forum who saw the offending posts reported it. I assume any who didn't will be punished.


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  • #162
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Onkle wrote: »
    Best on the site though?

    It was Forum of the Year last year.


  • #163
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Macspower wrote: »
    view my OP in this thread please.. was part of his job to delete a valid viewpoint and any attempt to discuss the matter?

    Yes it was as an admin had already stated in the thread that those discussions were not to take place in that thread.

    There is no freedom on speech on this site, we all only have what privileges the admins allow us and if DeV said that such discussions were verboten in that thread then that's and the cat mod and forum mods are meant to tow that line
    and argue against it where such discussions are allowed.


  • #164
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It was Forum of the Year last year.

    Yes a block vote was put together by the poker posters and they swept the awards, they are an organised community when they want to be.


  • #165
    Wreck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭Wreck


    Boston wrote: »
    I read it. He only hints at stepping down.

    I love the may you guys constantly accuse the Admins of making a mistake without recognising the ones committed by the poker forum regulars and the mods. I don't post in poker, so why should I care more about the poker forum then TCN? Why is the the poker forum's community more important then the one that exists there? Both communities where initially seeded by DeVore, and I sure there are plenty who poored alot of themselves into the TCN. You guys just don't recognises how truely reprehensibly your actions where. There's enought people on the outside of boards trying to rip it apart without those supposedly at the core trying as well. Somewhere along the lines you forgot you were part of a larger community, you stopped giving a ****e about that community, and now we're deaf to you and your needs, just like you were to us.

    Man, you have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody is defending the attack on TCN, many of us have stated that it was wrong and some of those responsible have apologised publically for their actions.


  • #166
    Karl Hungus
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,130 ✭✭✭✭Karl Hungus


    seamus wrote: »
    To be fair Karl, it was only when a couple of people offered that they "don't care" about other forums or didn't feel like they could be arsed reporting posts because, "that's not my job", that (to me) they illustrated the kind of mindset which allowed the incident to take place. If they're representative of the community's mindset, then we have a problem and I'm going to point out that problem.
    I disagree that the bystander effect is relevant in the case of reporting posts, but that's a discussion for a different thread :)

    Fair enough, if people do say they don't care, but I still don't consider it fair to say that the community is to blame here, and that it should be their responsibility to police themselves. You can't require people to care about every other little facet of boards, and I'll be honest with you, there's about a bazillion forums here that I don't care about either.

    Now, I am of the opinion that this really is a storm in a teacup, but it's the admins storm. I think you guys have made a mistake here, and I think what you should be doing is working to restore the original BBV thread, instead of blaming this particular community.

    I'll re-iterate what I said earlier, boards is as much its users as anything else.

    You've already had mods hang up their modships over this, you've got a lot of people who are angered, so whether or not you think that the thread itself is an issue doesn't matter, that's out of your hands. Your actions are ostracizing and alienating a whole bunch of users and mods, so it is an issue whether you want to believe it or not. Now Janeybabe said something earlier about caring about boards well being, I think it's the admins that may need to take a step back and carefully consider the well being of boards. You've done something that a large part of boards feels was wrong, and this should be addressed.

    Come on admins, if the thread doesn't really matter, then it's no skin of your necks to restore it.

    And I know, it's not a lolcat, but...

    angered_the_badger.jpg


  • #167
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    fatguy wrote: »
    I agree completely. Kev's post saying it was ok to raid that thread was indeed inappropriate, but why am I being punished for it?
    I'd have thought a fresh start would be the way to go. Gets rid of the stigma now attached to the old thread.

    I mean 4 of the mods have stepped down so why not let the new mods guide the new thread the way they see fit. I mean, the old thread isn't gone altogether, it's still there, still readable just locked and in a different place. Yo have a new one new, use it and take this as a lesson, report posts and don't encourage childish behaviour.

    And Fatguy I'm not saying you encouraged behaviour or didn't report posts, what I'm saying os maybe in future the community as a whole will be more proactive in maintaining the integrity of your forum.

    FWIW I am a lurker on the Poker forum, lurk there quite a bit actually


  • #168
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    How come Karl Hungus seems to be the only mod or admin who seems to be taking a rational non biased view here.


  • #169
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    Deleted User wrote: »
    It was Forum of the Year last year.
    And? Does that mean it has the best mods on the site? I would say PI or the old motors guys (Unkel, Peasant) those guy were machines and it's taking five of us to do what those two were doing


  • #170
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Macspower wrote: »
    This I will NEVER stand for... the moderation by the mods in the poker forum has probably been the best modding of anywhere I've ever seen

    DEV for gods sake come on and stand up for DOM/STE/KEV/Lloyd you know these guys and the job they have done.. BE A MAN and BE COUNTED and come on here and defend your mods and you will get some respect from me...

    then deal with the BBV issue

    Why would he stand behind the mods. It's there fault.
    fatguy wrote: »
    They weren't our actions.

    Hey I agree that only the mods and trolls should be punished.
    Hyzepher wrote: »
    Maybe there is some truth to all this anti-poker forum conspiracy. i can't beleive the reaction this is getting from people who don't use the poker forum or the count to million thread.

    And the generalisations are just mindblowing

    Perhaps it's because I care about boards in general and not just my small little part of it.


  • #171
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Onkle wrote: »
    I'd have thought a fresh start would be the way to go. Gets rid of the stigma now attached to the old thread.

    I mean 4 of the mods have stepped down so why not let the new mods guide the new thread the way they see fit. I mean, the old thread isn't gone altogether, it's still there, still readable just locked and in a different place. Yo have a new one new, use it and take this as a lesson, report posts and don't encourage childish behaviour.

    And Fatguy I'm not saying you encouraged behaviour or didn't report posts, what I'm saying os maybe in future the community as a whole will be more proactive in maintaining the integrity of your forum.

    FWIW I am a lurker on the Poker forum, lurk there quite a bit actually

    Are you kidding.

    A fresh start can be the way to go as regards new rules or whatever but we are not 12, taking away our thread isnt going to teach us a lesson, we just wont post on boards anymore.

    99% of the forum didnt see these posts till the next morning, how can we have reported it!!!!!


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  • #172
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Onkle wrote: »
    And? Does that mean it has the best mods on the site? I would say PI or the old motors guys (Unkel, Peasant) those guy were machines and it's taking five of us to do what those two were doing

    Ok lads, relax.

    The lads modded poker excellently. Many people are lining up behind them in support and we are proud of them. Perhaps it is hyperbolic to state they are the best on the site but maybe it is not. There is no real litmus test to determine the answer so it's a pointless issue. Let's focus on the real issue eh?


  • #173
    opr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,267 ✭✭✭opr


    Seamus : Who are all the people you think should have reported these posts?

    Firstly as Karl Hungus has pointed out people are not required to report posts. Lets take it from your standpoint that it may not be required but it does reflect badly on the community as a whole. How many people do you actually think are at fault here ?

    Just to give some idea of how many people would have been involved. It was a friday night so i would say less than 10% of usual BBV crowd are in the thread. Of these people that did not report it how many do you think would have seen the going's on ? Now of the people that actually did see what happened how many do you think actually attached any significance to it ?

    I was in the thread that night and while i had a look at the first few posts messing with the post count i thought "meh" and went on with watching the build up to the Laker's game. This was me actually looking at it as a non-event rather than me proactively not reporting something.

    The % of people actually involved here is tiny. Also factoring in that no one is implicitly obligated to report anything i fail to see why the forum as a whole was punished.

    Also as someone pointed out in the poker forum this seems odd.
    Whatever trouble reinstating 70K posts might cause it will be as nothing to what will happen when try to manage a thread that was created for no other purpose than to accumulate one million posts.

    Opr


  • #174
    Wreck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭Wreck


    Boston wrote: »

    Perhaps it's because I care about boards in general and not just my small little part of it.

    That's really unfair and biased. Many of the poker forum users post and lurk all over boards. The majority of the mods are happy to moderate more than one forum. I myself subscribe as a way of giving something back to the site as a whole, but this episode really has caused me to reconsider this.


  • #175
    Rev Hellfire
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,346 ✭✭✭Rev Hellfire


    Karl Hungus wrote: »
    Come on admins, if the thread doesn't really matter, then it's no skin of your necks to restore it.
    I suspect if it was a simple matter of a 'undelete' then it would have happened by now, but dev has pointed out there are technical obstacles to restoring it.


  • #176
    Macspower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Macspower


    Onkle wrote: »
    I'd have thought a fresh start would be the way to go. Gets rid of the stigma now attached to the old thread.

    I mean 4 of the mods have stepped down so why not let the new mods guide the new thread the way they see fit. I mean, the old thread isn't gone altogether, it's still there, still readable just locked and in a different place. Yo have a new one new, use it and take this as a lesson, report posts and don't encourage childish behaviour.

    And Fatguy I'm not saying you encouraged behaviour or didn't report posts, what I'm saying os maybe in future the community as a whole will be more proactive in maintaining the integrity of your forum.

    FWIW I am a lurker on the Poker forum, lurk there quite a bit actually

    you are wrong about the old thread... it is in the recycle bin... restore it to the poker forum where it was created and belongs... thats all we are asking
    50% of my post count was in there... prob over 2000 posts... and now they are taken off my post count as if they never existed

    Please stop trying to fight a loosing battle by saying it is not important... it is important to ME and many others I believe


  • #177
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Boston wrote: »
    Perhaps it's because I care about boards in general and not just my small little part of it.

    Do you think ostracising one of the largest, most active forums on the entire site is good for boards?


  • #178
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    Yes it was as an admin had already stated in the thread that those discussions were not to take place in that thread.

    Sorry, but are you referring to the post by Sceptre?

    You do realise that post was made long after people had tried to discuss it, only to have the posts pruned by Kinetic, don't you? Quite a few posts were deleted before Sceptre made that post, which at the time was quite void because every attempt to discuss it on feedback merely saw the thread being locked.

    Or are you referring to Kinetics post which was responding to a poker mods request that people do not fling bile at the admins or other mods in the thread, however I along with others did not fling "bile", we tried to have a calm discussion about it and found our posts deleted.

    Shot from the hip, horrendous moderation at its finest and I lol at you attempting to defend it.
    Thaedydal wrote:
    There is no freedom on speech on this site, we all only have what privileges the admins allow us and if DeV said that such discussions were verboten in that thread then that's and the cat mod and forum mods are meant to tow that line
    and argue against it where such discussions are allowed.

    Again, the "admin" stepped in long after the cat mod had taken action.

    DeVs opening post said nothing about not discussing it, fwiw.

    Feedback is here to discuss this kind of thing, however every attempt until today was met with a lock and the users told it was being discussed without their participation, a helpdesk thread was started and the user was told the same thing. The community then return to their own forum to try to discuss it amongst themselves and the thread is locked.

    The administration make a pathetically weak attempt to resolve the situation, the community attempt to discuss it and are met with further censorship.

    BS at it's finest and I'm not surprised to see whos side you're taking on it.


  • #179
    Blured
    Registered Users Posts: 394 ✭✭Blured


    Onkle wrote: »
    FWIW I am a lurker on the Poker forum, lurk there quite a bit actually

    Did you not call the BBV a cancer earlier? http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60680802&postcount=25

    Seems you have something against the forum and its current (excellent IMO) mods.


  • #180
    Boston
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,163 ✭✭✭✭Boston


    Wreck wrote: »
    Man, you have no idea what you are talking about. Nobody is defending the attack on TCN, many of us have stated that it was wrong and some of those responsible have apologised publically for their actions.

    Nobody is defending it. From the thread it appears it was great craic, even for the mods.
    Wreck wrote: »
    That's really unfair and biased. Many of the poker forum users post and lurk all over boards. The majority of the mods are happy to moderate more than one forum. I myself subscribe as a way of giving something back to the site as a whole, but this episode really has caused me to reconsider this.

    Why have you more a right to use boards.ie in peace then the TCN regulars? Did you know about the trolling, if so why didn't you report the post ?


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  • #181
    Nevyn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 43,045 ✭✭✭✭Nevyn


    Macspower wrote: »
    you are wrong about the old thread... it is in the recycle bin... restore it to the poker forum where it was created and belongs... thats all we are asking
    50% of my post count was in there... prob over 2000 posts... and now they are taken off my post count as if they never existed

    Please stop trying to fight a loosing battle by saying it is not important... it is important to ME and many others I believe

    You are not your post count and you may just have to accept that there is a chance that the boards staff may not be able to restore the thread to the poker foum.


  • #182
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    You are not your post count and you may just have to accept that there is a chance that the boards staff may not be able to restore the thread to the poker foum.

    If not then whoever moved it should step down as admin/mod.
    It was a heated and frankly stupid move which was not thought through, locking it was more than enough.


  • #183
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    Rb wrote: »
    Sorry, but are you referring to the post by Sceptre?

    You do realise that post was made long after people had tried to discuss it, only to have the posts pruned by Kinetic, don't you? Quite a few posts were deleted before Sceptre made that post, which at the time was quite void because every attempt to discuss it on feedback merely saw the thread being locked.

    Or are you referring to Kinetics post which was responding to a poker mods request that people do not fling bile at the admins or other mods in the thread, however I along with others did not fling "bile", we tried to have a calm discussion about it and found our posts deleted.

    Shot from the hip, horrendous moderation at its finest and I lol at you attempting to defend it.

    Did you not see that Kinetic was backing up what the poker mods had said and done already? Or are you just refusing to see that?

    The poker mods made the same warnings and snips earlier in the evening but they were ignored.

    Later when the discussion went a way that the poker mods requested it didn't Kinetic stepped in. I didn't see any poker mods online at that time either so Kinetic was doing what is required of him


  • #184
    Macspower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Macspower


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    You are not your post count and you may just have to accept that there is a chance that the boards staff may not be able to restore the thread to the poker foum.

    not going to and not able are 2 entirely different things...

    at the moment the last word we have on it is "not going to"


  • #185
    elshambo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭elshambo


    Wasnt going to respond to any of this but kinda had to on this point.
    seamus wrote: »
    But then I don't understand the appeal of off-topic threads at all.

    I dont understand off topic threads either!

    Except this wasnt an OFF TOPIC thread, it was the point of the poker forum
    (that and the this is how to play properly you idiot threads;))

    People to talk to at 4 in the morning when some idiot called for his whole stack with 63 and busted your AA 6 hours into a tourni with a $250,000 first prize and you ended up with $50
    Esp when the same idiot just called you a loser cause he saw your ROI is -% on some website

    Going to killarney for a tourni, rec a hotel, pub etc, fancy a pint type stuff

    Talk sports/cricket/football/gaa etc without having to deal with the sports forums trolls (espically the football trolls:mad::rolleyes:)

    Talk politics without having to deal with the politics trolls

    Talk film without the film nerds, poker players have awful taste in film comedy by the looks of it(serious lads, some of the films ye watch are aimed at 12yr old boys with idiot issues:D)

    The poker forum was the only reason i was still coming to this site as the trolls were just getting on my nerves

    Btw count to a million? lads life is short, on your death bed
    "Doc i once counted to a million on an internet forum"
    Doc: What?
    "ooh nothing nothing, wish id done more with my life doc"
    SEE IT BE IT!!!

    Id say even if ye put it back , its probably broke, they will probably go off and set up their own, get a load of advertising revenue and do quite well out of it

    Wait, lads my idea, im in on the ground floor or there be beatings:cool:

    seamus
    This is my 1000th post, big deal in the poker world apparently
    was supposed to be about the tourni i win at 4 in the morning when calling with 63 to bust some suckers AA:D:rolleyes:
    but then again:
    seamus wrote: »
    But then I don't understand the appeal of off-topic threads at all.


  • #186
    Wreck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭Wreck


    Rev Hellfire wrote: »
    I suspect if it was a simple matter of a 'undelete' then it would have happened by now, but dev has pointed out there are technical obstacles to restoring it.

    That's fair enough, and if it can't be restored than I guess we'll just have to live with that.

    However, there is more than the restoration of the old BBV being discussed here, at least imo. There is the fact that the thread was moved as some kind of punishment for the entire boards poker community for the actions of a few. There is the issue of why we were not allowed to discuss this either in the poker forum or on feedback before things got way out of hand. And there is the shameful accusations being levelled at the poker forum mods, who seem to feel very hard done by over this. And finally a small number of posters seem to be using this issue to throw sly digs at the poker forum community.


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  • #187
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Boston wrote: »
    Nobody is defending it. From the thread it appears it was great craic, even for the mods.



    Why have you more a right to use boards.ie in peace then the TCN regulars? Did you know about the trolling, if so why didn't you report the post ?

    In all fairness to the "TCN regs" while the personal abuse was way over the line how can you really troll a thread where poeple type a number, not like there was a discussion being ruined or whatever.

    That is the most pointless thread on the site.


  • #188
    RichieLawlor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,873 ✭✭✭RichieLawlor


    Thaedydal wrote: »
    You are not your post count and you may just have to accept that there is a chance that the boards staff may not be able to restore the thread to the poker foum.

    IMO restoring that thread is the only way to keep the poker forum alive, so Gordon just lifts the thread without thought of the ramifications and our mods are the ones getting heat. Excellent modding there


  • #189
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Karl Hungus wrote: »
    Fair enough, if people do say they don't care, but I still don't consider it fair to say that the community is to blame here, and that it should be their responsibility to police themselves. You can't require people to care about every other little facet of boards, and I'll be honest with you, there's about a bazillion forums here that I don't care about either.
    But if you saw a post on one of your preferred forums recommending that they start **** in a thread on the "Italian" forum, you're report it, right? Why?
    Come on admins, if the thread doesn't really matter, then it's no skin of your necks to restore it.
    Bit of time. The other admins are still talking about this. I'm not all that involved apart from poking my 2c in, but I wasn't there for the initial decision so I'm going to leave it up to the others unless I feel my input/decision is required. There's no point in continually calling for its restoration - it'll either happen or it won't.

    The opinion of the poker forum regulars is apparent and taken on board, but you well know yourself that this isn't a democracy and no rash actions will be taken on the back of 30 or 40 angry posters.
    Do you think ostracising one of the largest, most active forums on the entire site is good for boards?
    With all due respect, I think the Poker forum thinks too much of itself. The site was here and flourishing a long time before the poker forum. Remember that you guys came to boards, boards didn't come to you. That's not me saying, "Piss off, we don't want you", but comments like that are one step away from, "You need us boards, don't dare cross us". And that's not a road anyone wants to go down.


  • #190
    Macspower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Macspower


    Onkle wrote: »
    Did you not see that Kinetic was backing up what the poker mods had said and done already? Or are you just refusing to see that?

    The poker mods made the same warnings and snips earlier in the evening but they were ignored.

    Later when the discussion went a way that the poker mods requested it didn't Kinetic stepped in. I didn't see any poker mods online at that time either so Kinetic was doing what is required of him

    It's a discussion for a different day... my posts were made long before requests for "no discussion" were made.... then when the "new" BBV got locked last night someone went in and deleted all attempts to discuss the matter.. including my reasonable posts...

    Anyway we were directed here and here we are... in force


  • #191
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Onkle wrote: »
    I'd have thought a fresh start would be the way to go. Gets rid of the stigma now attached to the old thread. .....
    FWIW I am a lurker on the Poker forum, lurk there quite a bit actually

    Oh, how unexpected of you.
    Onkle wrote:
    That thread is a cancer on the site. Removing it is akin to chemo. So boards will go bald for a bit but come back bigger and stronger

    :rolleyes:


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  • #192
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    Blured wrote: »
    Did you not call the BBV a cancer earlier? http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=60680802&postcount=25

    Seems you have something against the forum and its current (excellent IMO) mods.
    I wasn't the one who used the cancer analogy first there if you read back. I don't have anything against the forum. I'm shocked that the mods allowed this behaviour. That IMO is not the behaviour of an'excellent' mod. An excellent mod would have nipped it in the bud


  • #193
    a147pro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 585 ✭✭✭a147pro


    Beruthiel wrote: »

    You will not be getting your old thread back.
    DeV has started a new one and you can use that.
    Be aware the if this happens again, you run the risk of not having one at all.
    I suggest you all take that on board for next time so you do not stand by and allow a few people ruin your forum.

    I find this deeply offensive and patronising.

    There seems to be a lot of criticism of the lads who moderated the poker forum. Can I just say, that in my opinion, the person whom wrote the above should not be involved in anthing involving moderation or discretion of any kind whatsoever.


  • #194
    Wreck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭Wreck


    Boston wrote: »
    Why have you more a right to use boards.ie in peace then the TCN regulars? Did you know about the trolling, if so why didn't you report the post ?

    I don't have anymore right than anyone else. I didn't see the posts in the BBV, and even if had and had not reported them I would not deserve any punishment.


  • #195
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    God that was Onkle that wrote that, you dont even deserve an opinion after that post you wrote, quite disgusting and offensive i found that.


  • #196
    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    mdwexford wrote: »
    God that was Onkle that wrote that, you dont even deserve an opinion after that post you wrote, quite disgusting and offensive i found that.
    Are you saying it's ok for a thread to be used to form attacks on other forums/mods? I mean come on how can you expect that kind of behaviour to be tolerated.

    I am as entitled to my opinion as the next person


  • #197
    mdwexford
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,280 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Onkle wrote: »
    Are you saying it's ok for a thread to be used to form attacks on other forums/mods? I mean come on how can you expect that kind of behaviour to be tolerated.

    I am as entitled to my opinion as the next person

    You are putting words in my mouth.

    I said the way you phrased your view was disgusting and offensive, nothing more. I am condoning nothing.


  • #198
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    seamus wrote: »
    The opinion of the poker forum regulars is apparent and taken on board, but you well know yourself that this isn't a democracy and no rash actions will be taken on the back of 30 or 40 angry posters.

    But the rash action of moving the BBV will be taken on the back of 2 or 3 angry TCN posters?
    seamus wrote: »
    With all due respect, I think the Poker forum thinks too much of itself.

    You misunderstand me. I was not trying to say the poker forum is something special. It is a simple statement of fact. Poker is one of the largest and most active forums on boards. I am sorry if that came across as in some way boastful. To be honest I believe you thinking that is what I meant reflects more on your ideas about the poker forum than any ideas we may have about it ourselves.


  • #199
    Rb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭Rb


    Onkle wrote: »
    Did you not see that Kinetic was backing up what the poker mods had said and done already? Or are you just refusing to see that?

    The poker mods made the same warnings and snips earlier in the evening but they were ignored.

    Later when the discussion went a way that the poker mods requested it didn't Kinetic stepped in. I didn't see any poker mods online at that time either so Kinetic was doing what is required of him

    I'm sorry but you're obviously failing to read properly.

    The poker mods asked that people not fling bile at the admins and mods, after some comments were made about DeVore. Discussion continued without this "bile" and then Kinetic decided to prune the thread.

    I have my posts that were deleted, there is no bile flinging at the admins or other moderators, yet they were deleted by Kinetic under the excuse that they were.

    This is the last time I'm going to respond to you on the matter also.


  • #200
    mewso
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 9,012 Mod ✭✭✭✭mewso


    Really folks this is crazy. I'll repeat what I said before:-

    Some posters did something wrong and deserve to be punished.

    None of the posters have defended these actions and in fact those who mentioned it accepted they should be punished.

    One or two people have said they didn't report posts because they didn't care and it is being used as a basis to justify everyone else's culpability. Lets ignore for example 5starpool saying he would have acted had he seen it.

    Nobody and I repeat nobody is saying what was done was right.

    What most of us would have accepted is the appropriate people being punished which is not what has been done. This red herring of everyone who looked at a computer screen while one of these posts was visible is an absolute and total disgrace. For shame admins. You have obviously decided you have be united on this issue so you won't back down.

    I see how admins with little knowledge of the value placed on this thread by poker regulars but I can't see or accept that now it has been made plainly obvious they persist in defending their actions. You overreacted. Sticking to your ground because somewhere you all agreed that was the plan of action does not make it the right stance.


  • #201
    Macspower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,193 ✭✭✭Macspower


    Onkle wrote: »
    Are you saying it's ok for a thread to be used to form attacks on other forums/mods? I mean come on how can you expect that kind of behaviour to be tolerated.

    I am as entitled to my opinion as the next person

    please don't drag up this argument again... Many have agreed that it was wrong... punish them in the normal manner... this is agreed by all including the people involved.. they will all take their bans on the chin and get on with it.

    I did nothing wrong... why have I had 50% of my posts removed and why has the BBV been moved to the recycle bin...

    this is the issue at hand


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