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    #242
    KINGVictor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,184 ✭✭✭KINGVictor


    ilikerashers wrote: »
    the government has inflated dole so much it doesn't make sense not to avail of it. Make hay while the sun shines and all that. Its £60 in the UK and 205 euro here, alot of welfare boys have been getting fat over the years and it's about time someone brings it down. Salarys are getting cut everywhere so why shouldn't the dole?

    We've all been asleep for the last few years and are only waking up to the cushy number we've been paying for. Its morally irresponsible to pay tax to support such high standards and thats something we're all guilty of.

    There is a lot of misconception about the social welfare payments in ireland in comparison to the Uk and I think it is sheer Intellectual laziness just to join the bandwagon that consistently spreads this falsehood.

    People just compare the rates in nominal terms without putting into consideration the whole package.In the UK ,every recipient of Jobseekers allowance does not put a dime towards their rent under the housing benefit scheme (it is paid totally by the government) and we all know this is a large expense on most peoples budget.Every child that these people have recieve free mik till they are 5 years old,they have a functional jobcentre unlike the farce(FAS) we have in ireland,they have comparatively excellent transport networks,so people spend far less in the Uk moving from point A to B.Unlike Ireland where you have to be working to get FIS,even unemployed families can qualify for Child credits apart from the normal Child benefits they recieve.

    If it was so damn irresistible here,thousands of Irish people on the dole in the UK would have moved here a long time ago.


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    #243
    Relevant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Relevant


    Raquel Cuddly Quintet wrote: »
    What??? Sometimes I wonder about our race...

    WTF are you talking about? How the hell do you think she go to an interview stage? She went to buy a loaf of bread and got offered an interview???
    She went for a job, got it, then refused it. She then continued to claim social welfare on the basis that she could not get a job and was actively seeking employment.
    Raquel Cuddly Quintet wrote: »

    Who are you to judge? GTFO...

    I am one of the many people in this country who pays tax and prsi that contributes to this persons "job seekers" allowance


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    #244
    Relevant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Relevant


    Black Lead wrote: »
    How I am a freeloader ? My employer wouldn't give me the hours I needed and the dole office wouldn't help me either because I was working more than 3 days.

    I have bills to pay and if unemployment helps me more than employment then I'll be unemployed and there is allot of people in this positon, the social welfare system needs to be overhauled starting with getting rid of the 3 day week and have it based on hours rather than days.
    You are a freeloader because despite the fact that you were offered employment you decided that sitting on your arse was a better option. Job seekers isn't a benchmark of how much you should get paid in normal circumstances and as such should not be treated as a minimum salary threshold.
    If you had taken that job you would now have more experience making it easier to get another job, you would be continually upskilling and maybe you would have got more hours, or more pay, but you took the lazy option and decided to stay home and watch jeremy kyle all day


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    #245
    Black Lead
    Closed Accounts Posts: 111 ✭✭Black Lead


    Relevant wrote: »
    You are a freeloader because despite the fact that you were offered employment you decided that sitting on your arse was a better option. Job seekers isn't a benchmark of how much you should get paid in normal circumstances and as such should not be treated as a minimum salary threshold.
    If you had taken that job you would now have more experience making it easier to get another job, you would be continually upskilling and maybe you would have got more hours, or more pay, but you took the lazy option and decided to stay home and watch jeremy kyle all day

    Yawn , You would do the same if you were in my position


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    #246
    Relevant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Relevant


    Black Lead wrote: »
    Yawn
    Typical apathetic response i'd expect from a lazy freeloader


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    #247
    jape
    Closed Accounts Posts: 396 ✭✭jape


    Relevant wrote: »
    You are a freeloader because despite the fact that you were offered employment you decided that sitting on your arse was a better option. Job seekers isn't a benchmark of how much you should get paid in normal circumstances and as such should not be treated as a minimum salary threshold.
    If you had taken that job you would now have more experience making it easier to get another job, you would be continually upskilling and maybe you would have got more hours, or more pay, but you took the lazy option and decided to stay home and watch jeremy kyle all day

    Such rubbish.

    The types of people on the dole these days, include a lot of solicitors, accountants, financial, engineers, IT, etc. How is getting a job in Burger King going to "continually upskill" them. ROFL!

    They would be much better off doing certs and extra qualifications in their industry (which is allowed while on the dole, it's considered a step towards seeking employment) and REALLY upskilling themselves while staying on the dole.

    Why should someone who went to college for 4 years to better themselves (and the country, high-skilled workforce is good for the economy), gained 2 or 3 years experience in their industry after college (while paying THOUSANDS in PRSI - which is SOCIAL INSURANCE FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE), be denied the dole (which they paid PRSI for) and forced to take a job completely irrelevant to their skills, qualifications and experience? Make all our engineers, solicitors, accountants, financial and IT people into burger-flippers? What good is that going to do? Well?


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    #248
    Relevant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Relevant


    jape wrote: »
    Such rubbish.

    The types of people on the dole these days, include a lot of solicitors, accountants, financial, engineers, IT, etc. How is getting a job in Burger King going to "continually upskill" them. ROFL!

    They would be much better off doing certs and extra qualifications in their industry (which is allowed while on the dole, it's considered a step towards seeking employment) and REALLY upskilling themselves while staying on the dole.

    Why should someone who went to college for 4 years to better themselves (and the country, high-skilled workforce is good for the economy), gained 2 or 3 years experience in their industry after college (while paying THOUSANDS in PRSI - which is SOCIAL INSURANCE FOR THIS VERY PURPOSE), be denied the dole (which they paid PRSI for) and forced to take a job completely irrelevant to their skills, qualifications and experience? Make all our engineers, solicitors, accountants, financial and IT people into burger-flippers? What good is that going to do? Well?

    Black Lead said that his employer could not give him the hours, implying that he was already there. He didnt refuse the job on the basis of it not being suited to his skills or because he was overqualified, he refused it because he could get more money on the dole


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    #249
    AlmightyCushion
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    Relevant wrote: »
    Typical apathetic response i'd expect from a lazy freeloader

    Banned for abuse.


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    #250
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,060 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Wertz wrote: »
    WTF? Hypothetical single mothers?
    ...have you idiots even read the OP? She is married/co-habiting with no kids and a relatively new car sitting in the drive way, and can't be f*cking arsed to work for "an extra €50 a week".
    Any one trying to defend that as being a rational financial decision has a lot of growing up to do. Thta's called letting someone else take responsibility for your keep...in this case, the taxpayer.

    You're calling izzywizzy out on her decision to work for relatively low pay re; qualifications, and try to contribute to both her own keep and her keep to the country through taxes...as far as I'm aware she isn't even Irish, but yet she's shown more social responsibility than most Irish people on here defending this scrounging c*nt in Donegal...
    Seems a lot of people have some growing up to do, and a lot to learn about the realities of work and pay...

    Banned for abuse.


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    #251
    cruiser178
    Registered Users Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭cruiser178


    try paying more then min wage,DO YOU have any idea what its like to survive on under 10 euro per hour,travel,food,rent and if you have kids your f***ed you cant survive on that.Imagine working 40 hours and been in debth because it, not very nice.ive worked construction for the last 20 years,machine driver i have 3 kids celtic tiger my arse.PUT A BIT MORE THOUGHT INTO YOUR EMPLOYEES AND NOT YOUR BANK ACC


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    #252
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Iamxavier, we agree on this, someone that commits a crime is a criminal, yes?
    Well the crime there is this. She is of sound mind and body, able for work, offered a job, accepted said job, and then decided it wasn't for her. She then wanted to go back on the dole where she left off, thus making a fraudulent claim. Fraud = crime.

    But how did she commit a crime? It is her right to decline a job, or to change her mind.
    Relevant wrote: »
    She went for a job, got it, then refused it. She then continued to claim social welfare on the basis that she could not get a job and was actively seeking employment.

    You do not know what basis she went back to social welfare on.


    I am one of the many people in this country who pays tax and prsi that contributes to this persons "job seekers" allowance

    So have the majority of the people that are on social welfare now.


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    #253
    cruiser178
    Registered Users Posts: 1,654 ✭✭✭cruiser178


    Raquel Cuddly Quintet wrote: »
    But how did she commit a crime? It is her right to decline a job, or to change her mind.



    You do not know what basis she went back to social welfare





    So have the majority of the people that are on social welfare now.
    true statement


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    #254
    white apples
    Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭white apples


    IzzyWizzy wrote: »
    Indeed. So what do you suggest then, should the government cut social welfare because people are too weak to resist taking it when they don't genuinely need it?

    Ehh....yes, clearly if this is what's happening.


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    #255
    white apples
    Registered Users Posts: 342 ✭✭white apples


    jape wrote: »
    This UK comparison thing really annoys me, of the 30 OECD countries, 25 of them actually have higher dole payments than ours. The UK is one of the 4 who have lower payments than ours. If dole payments are to be lowered, then PRSI (which people on the dole pay for years before claiming) must be lowered too.

    Do you have a link for that? I'd be interested in having a look.

    Jobseekers Benefit is an entitlement and I don't think anybody here seems to have a problem with people claiming it when they've lost their job as they have paid for it in their taxes.

    However, jobseekers allowance in my opinion should be a completely different payment and should not continue indefinately - maybe it should be reduced by 5% a month or something to a minimum base level to encourage people to go out and work. There needs to be a bigger gap between jobseekers allowance and minimum wage to encourage people to work, and raising minimum wage just isn't viable in the current economic climate, if anything, that too needs to be reduced to give us more competitiveness in Europe in terms of attracting employers and creating more jobs.

    However, I don't think this woman deserves the blame, there are thousands like her in this country and it is the system that has created them.


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    #256
    luckat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    Still no sign of Senna, the original poster. S/he has been asked repeatedly what the job is.

    Still no sign of the people who said "I'll have that job" and "me too".

    So we don't know what the job is. If it existed in the first place - perhaps this is all a fairytale.

    By the way, PRSI stands for pay-related social insurance. It is an insurance we pay against becoming unemployed. If we become unemployed, we can claim 'benefits' - we are paid back some of the money we paid to insure ourselves and each other.

    If this woman ever existed (and I've had my doubts from page 3 or so), then she may have found the sewage-cleaning, or whatever the work was, or working for the OP, not bearable for the wage.

    Perhaps this is terribly wrong. Perhaps when we hear from the volunteers who rushed up to Letterkenny to claim the job she discarded, we'll know. Perhaps not.


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    #257
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,100 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    luckat wrote: »
    Still no sign of Senna, the original poster. S/he has been asked repeatedly what the job is.

    Still no sign of the people who said "I'll have that job" and "me too".

    So we don't know what the job is. If it existed in the first place - perhaps this is all a fairytale.

    By the way, PRSI stands for pay-related social insurance. It is an insurance we pay against becoming unemployed. If we become unemployed, we can claim 'benefits' - we are paid back some of the money we paid to insure ourselves and each other.

    If this woman ever existed (and I've had my doubts from page 3 or so), then she may have found the sewage-cleaning, or whatever the work was, or working for the OP, not bearable for the wage.

    Perhaps this is terribly wrong. Perhaps when we hear from the volunteers who rushed up to Letterkenny to claim the job she discarded, we'll know. Perhaps not.
    Senna wrote: »
    Its a service industry job that does not require qualifications, we do look for people with experience. The minimum wage is ridiculously high, but we still pay more that minimum.

    Also for the hard of reading. THIS JOB IS IN DONEGAL, 9.50 goes a lot further here than in dub etc, as i said before its probably closer to 12/13e at dub levels.



    She gets dole of 204 and mortgage sub of probably 100/120e per week.

    .


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    #258
    luckat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    Senna started off this row, but then mysteriously disappeared. "A service industry job" - well, what does that mean?

    None of the "I'll have that job" posters have reported back. Senna has disappeared.


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    #259
    Overheal
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    Maybe he's working.


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    #260
    luckat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭luckat


    Overheal wrote: »
    Maybe he's working.

    Maybe. What about the people who said they'd take the job? Lots of opinions here; not much hard information.


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    #261
    Gummy Panda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,919 ✭✭✭✭Gummy Panda


    luckat wrote: »
    Maybe. What about the people who said they'd take the job? Lots of opinions here; not much hard information.

    why don't you pm them then?


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    #262
    tatabubbly
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,185 ✭✭✭tatabubbly


    luckat wrote: »
    Maybe. What about the people who said they'd take the job? Lots of opinions here; not much hard information.


    I asked but i'm waiting for her to send me an email! I'd love a job.. :)


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    #263
    stevenmu
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,689 Mod ✭✭✭✭stevenmu


    Black Lead wrote: »
    How I am a freeloader ? My employer wouldn't give me the hours I needed and the dole office wouldn't help me either because I was working more than 3 days.

    I have bills to pay and if unemployment helps me more than employment then I'll be unemployed and there is allot of people in this positon, the social welfare system needs to be overhauled starting with getting rid of the 3 day week and have it based on hours rather than days.

    You could take the non-freeloader approach and cut back on your bills, you could take on a second or even a third job to make up the hours, and be looking for a better job while working.


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    #264
    dlofnep
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    Senna wrote: »
    The minimum wage is ridiculously high, but we still pay more that minimum.

    How on earth is it ridiculously high? I'm sure it's lovely for you Senna in your position to be able to afford the cost of living in this rip-off state - But let's see you live on the minimum wage with a rake of bills up your arse, and then come back to us saying that it's too high.

    Now - While I agree with your sentiment in the original post - that girl should not have refused the job. There are thousands of people out there who can't find legitimate work, and need that money...

    I don't agree with you trying to have a stab at the minimum wage. It is the rate that it is because our cost of living is one of the highest in the world.

    Out of curiosity - What do you make an hour?


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    #265
    General Zod
    Registered Users Posts: 2,661 ✭✭✭General Zod


    Overheal wrote: »
    Does sitting on at home:

    - Pay into a pension?
    - Build your CV?
    - Improve your sense of self accomplishment?
    - Provide you opportunities for advancement?
    - etc.

    Senna did her a favor.
    i doubt very much Senna's job does any of these either.


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    #266
    mollypop
    Closed Accounts Posts: 70 ✭✭mollypop


    jape wrote: »
    This UK comparison thing really annoys me, of the 30 OECD countries, 25 of them actually have higher dole payments than ours. The UK is one of the 4 who have lower payments than ours. If dole payments are to be lowered, then PRSI (which people on the dole pay for years before claiming) must be lowered too.

    Strange, according to this we're 10th in the world: http://www.tribune.ie/article/2009/apr/05/states-of-grace-dole-payments-around-the-world/

    We're even better than that if you just look at minimums. Looking at that link its awful to think that most countries actually differentiate between bums who's never worked a day in their lives and people who've worked hard for years and lost their job. That's how it should be here! :mad:


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    #267
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
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    stevenmu wrote: »
    You could take the non-freeloader approach and cut back on your bills, you could take on a second or even a third job to make up the hours, and be looking for a better job while working.

    Ah, the answer for Irelands problems... Well done, why didn't 450,000 people on social welfare think of getting a job, the lads will be chuffed down at the office when I tell them this great plan of getting a job... :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    You are a funny guy, get a second or even third job... WHERE? People are struggling to find half a job, let alone 3...

    Absolutely silly suggestion.

    Black Lead, enquire to the social welfare office to see if you have paid enough PRSI to benifit from the dole. You may not be eligible. If you do go on social welfare, I do not blame you. Why work for 20 hours a week barely scrapping enough money together for food bills etc etc, while the social welfare is paying much more? It's logical. And to be honest, fcuk morals and ethics at the moment, there is no place for them right now.


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    #268
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,100 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Raquel Cuddly Quintet wrote: »
    People are struggling to find half a job, let alone 3...
    As this thread has shown: no they aren't.


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    #269
    Puddleduck
    Registered Users Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭Puddleduck


    Overheal wrote: »
    As this thread has shown: no they aren't.

    1 Person does not equal people. I wouldnt go by boards either tbh. People are either calling for dole to be cut, or increased. Bitching about politics/recent events and then change their minds the following week.


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    #270
    peanuthead
    Registered Users Posts: 3,111 ✭✭✭peanuthead


    Overheal wrote: »
    Yep something is very wrong with your system if you can make more money unemployed.

    The more of this I hear the more I think I might vote republican..
    Yes indeed there is something wrong with the system when people can earn a better living off the dole than they can in paid employment. My sister is one of those cases. She works, but I have to say OP, being a part time teacher, I don't get paid for my summers off. I could get a job for these three months if I wanted to, but the reality is that I will earn more on the dole. So guess what I'm going to do?... I'm going to go on the dole till September. And I really don't care what any of you lot think about that, the reality is that I have paid tax since I was 17, 18, and have been in employment since I was 15. I think I'm entitled to a few months off.:D


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    #271
    Overheal
    Registered Users Posts: 82,100 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    ^ See, Duck?


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