Work??? Feck that.

Senna

I hired a member of staff two weeks ago on trial, she was on the dole for the last year and she turned out to be a very good professional worker. So last week i offered her a full-time job and she accepted it, no surprise there, seen there are very few new jobs in the area.
Then today she came into me and said she cant take the job as she worked it out and she is better off on the dole than working a 40 hour week, earning a bit more than minimum wage. To say i was mad was an understatement, first its a disgrace that someone can earn more (or only a bit less, when taking all the other benefits that come with the dole) by laying on their ass all week at the tax payers expense and second that we are allowing this system to continue.

I think i might phone social welfare tomorrow and tell them she has refused a job, i would hope her dole would be stopped, but i doubt they would do feck all.




Just a rant and its not the first time someone has refused work as they wanted to stay on the dole.

Mods feel free to lock thread, probably no need of more dole threads.

conchubhar1

dibbs on her job?

score, pm tho im serious

sdanseo

Second in line for the job, pal. I'll clean toilets. Seriously.

irishvamp90

hey look at my thread on cant apply for a job!!i'll take it please

pingu_girl

3rd in line

Overheal

Yep something is very wrong with your system if you can make more money unemployed.

The more of this I hear the more I think I might vote republican..

conchubhar1

sdonn wrote: »

Second in line for the job, pal. I'll clean toilets. Seriously.

id clean sdonn while they **** on aformentioned toilet and clean that during and after

sdanseo

Says something when 3 people jump in on this asking for jobs at 2.30am, doesn't it? Scary.

I'm straight back off the list because it's not exactly centrally located for me, dont want to reveal OP's location but Im sure he'll decode that for ye if he wants to

minidazzler

Phone Social Welfare, they are taking this kind of thing seriously now!!!


Also, If the Job is in Cork I would be happy to take it. Or even Dublin, I would be willing to move!!!! PM Me if you want to give it!!:)

Senna

Seriously, PM me, if i can help any boardise.
The jobs in Letterkenny and there will be a few positions over time.

minidazzler

Letterkenny, much too far out for me!!! Damn!!!

conchubhar1

Senna wrote: »

Seriously, PM me, if i can help any boardise.
The jobs in Letterkenny and there will be a few positions over time.

balls

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**** it is 2.40 - jaysus

Disease Ridden

I'll do the job if everybody before me in the queue mystriously goes missing

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irishvamp90

hey id move to letterkenny for the summer for a full time job,be a change

sdanseo

I'd step short of calling the SW, you could leave someone on the breadline quite easily, may be kids involved etc. Let the air out of her tires or something instead, I'm sure she's driving an X5 the way she behaves so that'll make her extra upset.

This thread has inspired me to alter my signiature too.

amacachi

Being honest I can't blame her, if she's better off on the dole then there are kids involved, so she's right to maximise her income. **** system.

minidazzler

amacachi wrote: »

Being honest I can't blame her, if she's better off on the dole then there are kids involved, so she's right to maximise her income. **** system.

Who said there's kids involved?

amacachi

minidazzler wrote: »

Who said there's kids involved?

I said if she's better off on the dole then there are kids involved, unless Senna is paying under minimum wage, which I doubt.

Senna

minidazzler wrote: »

Who said there's kids involved?

As far as i know there are no kids involved, her husband is on the dole and if she starts work his money MIGHT be cut also. She said something like that anyway.
I did tell her i hope dole is cut very soon and dont be expecting a job again.

Yes the system is wrong, but people should have some sence of social responsibility.

amacachi wrote: »

I said if she's better off on the dole then there are kids involved, unless Senna is paying under minimum wage, which I doubt.

9.50 ph

I think she might be getting mortgage interest supplement.

banquo

If it's for your kids, then you'd do what you can. Don't say you wouldn't.

If you don't have kids then work.

amacachi

Senna wrote: »

As far as i know there are no kids involved, her husband is on the dole and if she starts work his money MIGHT be cut also. She said something like that anyway.
I did tell her i hope dole is cut very soon and dont be expecting a job again.

Yes the system is wrong, but people should have some sence of social responsibility.

They're still only on about 300 a week between them. Though probably claiming another 100 or so on rent allowance so it works out around the same. Feckin daft system. If there's no kids then report her.

Just noticed your ninja edit, forgot she could get some kind of mortgage-related supplement rather than rent allowance depending on the situation.

irishvamp90

even if there is kids report her.the reason i was bought up right is because ive seen how hard my parents worked doing factory jobs.my dad did 9 to 5 and my mam evenings all while i was growing up it can be done.and they didnt piss away their money in the pub.new cars,2 holidays a year,planned their food shopping,planned out their cooking.they minded their money and did what they had too and still do

irishvamp90

social welfare/dole/child allowance should be made in a such a way that people can only spend it on the basics like food/rent/esb/heat a voucher system maybe.because there a child s allowance might be spent on some good food for the kid instead of fake tan or a bottle of vodka for maa

high horse

If she quits her job, isn't there a period of six months or so where she will not get the dole?

Senna

high horse wrote: »

If she quits her job, isn't there a period of six months or so where she will not get the dole?

She has not submitted her p45 etc, so she has not got paid. Her plan was to ask for the cash in hand and walk away. I told her to fcuk off, through the books or nothing.

easyeason3

It sickens me to hear about things like this.
I get €204 each week for sitting on my arse. Yes I have been contributing towards that for the last ten years but I'd work a three, four or five day week for the same money.
I'm not used to hanging around & I'm certainly not used to getting money for SFA.
The fool you gave up your time to interview & offered a job to should get her payments stopped.
But to be fair, she can only be held accountable for a portion of this lunacy. The government are also responsible for handing out money so freely.
I'm delighted with my €204 as it means I can pay my bills, just. If I wasn't getting that amount then I'm nearly sure I'd have the baliffs at the door.
But I wouldn't ever turn down a job because I might be better off on the dole for the sake of a few euro.
There is a lot to be said for having pride. That woman obviously has none.

Overheal

easyeason3 wrote: »

It sickens me to hear about things like this.
I get €204 each week for sitting on my arse. Yes I have been contributing towards that for the last ten years but I'd work a three, four or five day week for the same money.
I'm not used to hanging around & I'm certainly not used to getting money for SFA.
The fool you gave up your time to interview & offered a job to should get her payments stopped.
But to be fair, she can only be held accountable for a portion of this lunacy. The government are also responsible for handing out money so freely.
I'm delighted with my €204 as it means I can pay my bills, just. If I wasn't getting that amount then I'm nearly sure I'd have the baliffs at the door.
But I wouldn't ever turn down a job because I might be better off on the dole for the sake of a few euro.
There is a lot to be said for having pride. That woman obviously has none.

and you can afford the internet...

frazzel

at least if someones working the possibility in the future of a wage increase is there. Not so likely on the dole anytime soon id imagine!!! :rolleyes:

If there are kids involved then i can see why she might not want the job. childcare costs etc.. However if there are no kids involved then she has no excuse. She should be getting off her arse and working. In a country where so many people are crying out for work!! How dare she sponge off an already drained system coz she's too lazy to put in the work!! :mad:

minidazzler

Overheal wrote: »

and you can afford the internet...

In fairness, the internet is a necessity these days when looking for Jobs.

easyeason3

Overheal wrote: »

and you can afford the internet...

I don't pay for it, I'm lucky enough to have a boyfriend who wants instant broadband when he is at home so he pays for it.

It's kinda handy to apply for jobs too.

The Pontiac

Pay her a decent wage then. I'd rather work any day than draw the dole. But when companies are jumping on the bandwagon and paying ****e wages, I'd say fcuk ye too!

minidazzler

zudo wrote: »

Pay her a decent wage then. I'd rather work any day than draw the dole. But when companies are jumping on the bandwagon and paying ****e wages, I'd say fcuk ye too!

€9.50 an hour is a perfect decent wage. Given that paying more could mean going out of Buisness for some companies. The Mentality of over paying people for crap jobs is exactly what got us into this mess.


OP, what kind of Job is it, If I may ask

The Pontiac

minidazzler wrote: »

€9.50 an hour is a perfect decent wage. Given that paying more could mean going out of Buisness for some companies. The Mentality of over paying people for crap jobs is exactly what got us into this mess.


OP, what kind of Job is it, If I may ask

€9.50 is a perfect decent wage and then you ask OP "what kind of job is it?"

It's a little more than the dole, tbh. It all depends then, how far she has to travel, has she kids, is the employer taking advantage of the economic mess? (ie taking her for a ride). Is is actually worth her while going to work?

Bob Z

You cant blame her for not taking the job if she is worse off so theres no point phoning the sw


What type of work is it anyway?

kraggy

amacachi wrote: »

Being honest I can't blame her, if she's better off on the dole then there are kids involved, so she's right to maximise her income. **** system.

Not necessarily.

Dave!

Call social welfare

I'm just finished college, and I'm probably eligible for jobseekers' benefit or something, but I don't plan on looking for a job until I come back from a holiday in 3 or 4 weeks. So I shalln't be signing on.

Social responsibility is great

kraggy

Do NOT call Social Welfare.

You do not know what's going on. She and her husband could be on the verge of losing their house and every penny might count. If you were in the same situation, would you take the job and risk losing your home, your kids going hungry?

The economies ****ed, it's not her fault.

irishvamp90

mikemac wrote: »

Vouchers?
Do you not think it's harsh that people pay thousands and thousands into the system and when they want to use it it's gotta be vouchers? Do you not trust someone who paid PRSI for years and then lost their job?

I understand your point, I forsee a lot of humiliation in rural Ireland when you present your vouchers and then everyone knows your business and circumstances

how is that harsh?i know for a fact if my parents had no jobs in the morning or me and things were bad if i got basic food/heat/place to live id be happy with
all this ***** on the dole with with plasma tvs on credit,sky tv(which my parents canncelled it was luxury)and a holiday to santa ponza that piss me off.and feeding their scuummy kids bad food like chicken nuggets

amacachi

kraggy wrote: »

Not necessarily.

True, corrected myself already if you look above.

irishvamp90

Dave! wrote: »

Call social welfare

I'm just finished college, and I'm probably eligible for jobseekers' benefit or something, but I don't plan on looking for a job until I come back from a holiday in 3 or 4 weeks. So I shalln't be signing on.

Social responsibility is great

why are you going on holiday if your broke???

Dave!

Who says I'm broke?

irishvamp90

well ok maybe not broke but if you got no job and getting no jobseekers a holiday alot of money

Brimmy

Dave! wrote: »

Call social welfare

I'm just finished college, and I'm probably eligible for jobseekers' benefit or something, but I don't plan on looking for a job until I come back from a holiday in 3 or 4 weeks. So I shalln't be signing on.

Social responsibility is great

How nice of you Dave...the fact that we can't sign on to anything for 13 weeks after our last exam has nothing to do with it either?

OP I'd call Welfare but that's just me. If she is on the verge of losing her home anyway and the dole is better than the job well Welfare will investigate that, however on the other hand if she is scamming the system then she deserves to be called out for it.

4zn76tysfajdxp

kraggy wrote: »

Do NOT call Social Welfare.

You do not know what's going on. She and her husband could be on the verge of losing their house and every penny might count. If you were in the same situation, would you take the job and risk losing your home, your kids going hungry?

The economies ****ed, it's not her fault.

Senna said nothing about kids. That's all idle speculation. Jesus christ, there are bleeding hearts and there are inventing children so that we would feel extra sorry for people...

Dave!

irishvamp90 wrote: »

well ok maybe not broke but if you got no job and getting no jobseekers a holiday alot of money

Nah I'm just visiting relatives, so it's costing f*ck all

But that's beside the point And that is that I'm entitled to benefit but not claiming it

Brimmy

Dave! wrote: »

And that is that I'm entitled to benefit but not claiming it

But you're not..

kraggy

Jaime Wrong Hacksaw wrote: »

Senna said nothing about kids. That's all idle speculation. Jesus christ, there are bleeding hearts and there are inventing children so that we would feel extra sorry for people...

Eh, I didn't say the girl in question had kids either. Read my post again.

My point is that the poster I was talking to doesn't know the girls situation. There could be a mortgage, kids etc.

I.e. Stay the **** out of it since you don't know the details.

4zn76tysfajdxp

kraggy wrote: »

Eh, I didn't say the girl in question had kids either. Read my post again.

My point is that the poster I was talking to doesn't know the girls situation. There could be a mortgage, kids etc.

I.e. Stay the **** out of it since you don't know the details.

Well, fraud is fraud. The woman in question might have to support twenty dying relatives or could just be a scabbing bitch. You can't just let people break the law just because there "could" be a mortgage to be paid or kids to feed. That kind of emotive speculation would just cripple our legal system with what "might" be going on.

Dave!

Brimmy wrote: »

But you're not..

Link?

The consensus on the SW forum seems to be that you just need a letter from the college confirming you're finished

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055553629
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055550357
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055496570

The only info I can find on it is here
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Schemes/JobseekerSupports/JobseekersAllowance/Pages/ja.aspx
Students

If you have just left school you cannot get Jobseeker's Allowance. To get Jobseeker's Allowance you must be out of school for three months and you be at least 18 years of age.

That looks more like it's relating to secondary school students though

Nevertheless my intentions are good And the point is that in these economic times it's irresponsible to try and squeeze every penny from social welfare just because you can

Bob Z

Dave! wrote: »

Link?

The consensus on the SW forum seems to be that you just need a letter from the college confirming you're finished

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055553629
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055550357
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055496570

The only info I can find on it is here
http://www.welfare.ie/EN/Schemes/JobseekerSupports/JobseekersAllowance/Pages/ja.aspx
Students

If you have just left school you cannot get Jobseeker's Allowance. To get Jobseeker's Allowance you must be out of school for three months and you be at least 18 years of age.

That looks more like it's relating to secondary school students though

Nevertheless my intentions are good And the point is that in these economic times it's irresponsible to try and squeeze every penny from social welfare just because you can

You seem to be doing ok. Any chance of a loan of a tenner?

Overheal

Jaime Wrong Hacksaw wrote: »

Well, fraud is fraud. The woman in question might have to support twenty dying relatives or could just be a scabbing bitch. You can't just let people break the law just because there "could" be a mortgage to be paid or kids to feed. That kind of emotive speculation would just cripple our legal system with what "might" be going on.

Hence why defrauding the system is illegal. You cant give a pass to someone because they "Might" be a special case.