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Thank God

  • 22-05-2009 10:28am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭


    There is very little in this world that gets my goat more than people thanking God for something.

    I was reading the Praise The Lord thread over on Christianity a month or so back, and this poor woman fell ill to cancer. She pulled through, which is great (it's a terrible disease and the sooner it's cured, in all it's forms, the better)
    But then she started thanking god for pulling her through, not her own determination to live, not medical science, not her family's support.

    No, she thanks the cloud man, the same guy who won't save kids from starvation in Africa, the same who causes earth-quakes to knock schools and hospitals.

    I nearly broke my keyboard.

    Words fail me when this happens...

    Maybe I'm overreacting it's a definite possibility, but damn, it just gets me...


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,556 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    it's an incredibly arrogant thing to think about yourself, but I think it's rare enough for religion to be arrogant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    but I think it's rare enough for religion to be arrogant.

    Is my sarcasm detector broken?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    No, she thanks the cloud man, the same guy who won't save kids from starvation in Africa, the same who causes earth-quakes to knock schools and hospitals.

    You sound very angry at this male deity you're imagining. It's humans causing the kids to starve and building rigid structures on fault lines is a pretty dumb idea tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    You sound very angry at this male deity you're imagining. It's humans causing the kids to starve and building rigid structures on fault lines is a pretty dumb idea tbh.

    I know that.

    But religious peeps think God can do anything, so why can't he stop these things?

    And stop with the de-genderising of the Christian God. He is male, the good book says so (And that can't be wrong).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    I know that.

    But religious peeps think God can do anything, so why can't he stop these things?

    And stop with the de-genderising of the Christian God. He is male, the good book says so (And that can't be wrong).

    And why did he give her cancer in the first place :confused:

    Thanking god for curing someone's cancer is like thanking someone for taking their knife away from your throat


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,750 ✭✭✭liah


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    And why did he give her cancer in the first place :confused:

    Probably to "teach her the value of life" or some other such cop-out, inevitably.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    There is very little in this world that gets my goat more than people thanking God for something.

    I was reading the Praise The Lord thread over on Christianity a month or so back, and this poor woman fell ill to cancer. She pulled through, which is great (it's a terrible disease and the sooner it's cured, in all it's forms, the better)
    But then she started thanking god for pulling her through, not her own determination to live, not medical science, not her family's support.

    No, she thanks the cloud man, the same guy who won't save kids from starvation in Africa, the same who causes earth-quakes to knock schools and hospitals.

    I nearly broke my keyboard.

    Words fail me when this happens, I really just white out at peoples ignorance.

    Maybe I'm overreacting it's a definite possibility, but damn, it just gets me...

    Slow day?

    Give her a break. It's an absolutely devastating illness that instills absolute fear into those who are both directly and indirectly effected by it. It is a true feat whenever cancer is cured so she has the right to be delighted. And she has the right to thank whoever she wants.

    And besides, how do you know that she didn't weep at the feet of her doctor (s)? How do you know that she doesn't feel forever indebted for the support given to her from those around her? Just because she went into a thread that's specifically for "thanking the lord", that doesn't mean she has dismissed the role of "medical science" or her family in her cancer being cured.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    liah wrote: »
    Probably to "teach her the value of life" or some other such cop-out, inevitably.

    It's even more of a cop out than that. It's usually "god works in mysterious ways"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    I wouldn't react with annoyance at these kind of comments but they are insanely hypocritical. When someone good happens, its "Thank God for saving us" when something bad happens its "God doesn't interfere, he gave us free will and waits until we die to judge us" or something along them lines.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭OneArt


    She can thank who she wants.

    "God" is too broad a term to box into the idea of a "little cloud man". The only understanding most people who rail against God have is that of the Judeo-Christian version.

    Personally, I thank Buddha for all the good things in my life.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,100 ✭✭✭eightyfish


    I saw a documentary about 911. Survivors were thanking God for saving them or their family members from the disaster. So... this means that God deliberately killed all the other people, no? Sounds like quite a judgemental God to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    And she has the right to thank whoever she wants.

    It shows ignorance and a lack of respect. Doctors cured her not God.
    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    And besides, how do you know that she didn't weep at the feet of her doctor (s)? How do you know that she doesn't feel forever indebted for the support given to her from those around her? Just because she went into a thread that's specifically for "thanking the lord", that doesn't mean she has dismissed the role of "medical science" or her family in her cancer being cured.

    Because she said Doctors said she has X amount of time left, but then she pulls through and it's God what done it. She thanked God, not something that actually helped.

    I just used her as an example, I'm pretty sure she will be pissed if we continue to do so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    It shows ignorance and a lack of respect. Doctors cured her not God.

    Well...........
    Because she said Doctors said she has X amount of time left,

    I'm not saying she is right, but you can understand where she is coming from no? Doctors told her that it was over and she only had a certain amount of weeks left but she then pulls through in stark contrast to what she was told. You cannot blame her for thinking an intervention had happened. If you still can't understand where she is coming from then you are being willfully ignorant.

    I just used her as an example, I'm pretty sure she will be pissed if we continue to do so.

    You shouldn't have made a thread for the sole purpose of insulting her so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    Yes it is quite the joke


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Well...........



    I'm not saying she is right, but you can understand where she is coming from no? Doctors told her that it was over and she only had a certain amount of weeks left but she then pulls through in stark contrast to what she was told. You cannot blame her for thinking an intervention had happened. If you still can't understand where she is coming from then you are being willfully ignorant.
    I get where she was coming from, I just don't get why.
    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    You shouldn't have made a thread for the sole purpose of insulting her so.

    You misunderstand the thread if that is what you think. This is about people thanking god, she was just an example that stuck out in my mind, a friend is recovering from chemo right now, he doesn't feel the need to insult his doctors skills.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    You misunderstand the thread if that is what you think. This is about people thanking god, she was just an example that stuck out in my mind, a friend is recovering from chemo right now, he doesn't feel the need to insult his doctors skills.

    I think you misunderstand the point. One moment you are pretending to be concerned, 'she will be p!ssed off if we keep talking about her', but you have already insulted her. You did not have to bring up someones actual scenario if you did not want to, and your point would have remained.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    I get where she was coming from, I just don't get why.

    I'm sure that it's a terrifying situation to not only be diagnosed with cancer, but also to be told that it's terminal. Look at it from her point of view; not only did it seem like the doctors had given up on saving her but she also had to reconcile with the reality of the situation, that she would have to say goodbye to her loved ones while suffering an indignified death. But then she was cured, in defiance to what her doctors had predicted and was given a new lease of life. It is quite frankly a modern day miracle (I'm not religious, I've seen doctors use that one themselves after being stumped by a recovery). That's why she believed that an intervention had occured.

    You misunderstand the thread if that is what you think.

    You could have made your point without referring to a poster and dismissing her belief.
    This is about people thanking god, she was just an example that stuck out in my mind, a friend is recovering from chemo right now, he doesn't feel the need to insult his doctors skills.

    I don't believe that just because she thanked the "Lord" that she is automatically dismissing her doctors' contribution. Or showing an ignorance or a lack of respect towards them. And even if she did "insult" her doctors by not paying homage to them, I wouldn't blame her, they did tell her that she was as good as dead after all!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    JimiTime wrote: »
    I think you misunderstand the point. One moment you are pretending to be concerned, 'she will be p!ssed off if we keep talking about her', but you have already insulted her. You did not have to bring up someones actual scenario if you did not want to, and your point would have remained.

    Oh right, because I couldn't possibly be actually concerned for another human being.

    Real scenarios hold much more weight than made up ones. If you want to make a strong point, don't weaken it unnecessarily.

    I may have insulted her, I accept that, but if she didn't want to take the chance of people referencing her story, it shouldn't be on the internet. Now I'm calling an end to any more insults (real or imagined), a better option than continuing to talk about a very difficult time in her life, no?

    Pre-emptive: "Better to not have brought it up at all." Refer to second paragraph.


  • Registered Users Posts: 391 ✭✭Naz_st


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    I'm not saying she is right, but you can understand where she is coming from no? Doctors told her that it was over and she only had a certain amount of weeks left but she then pulls through in stark contrast to what she was told. You cannot blame her for thinking an intervention had happened. If you still can't understand where she is coming from then you are being willfully ignorant.

    That reasoning, and the topic in general, kind of reminded of one of the callers into the Atheist Experience (cable access tv show in texas, they have a youtube channel that's worth a visit):


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    I'm sure that it's a terrifying situation to not only be diagnosed with cancer, but also to be told that it's terminal. Look at it from her point of view; not only did it seem like the doctors had given up on saving her but she also had to reconcile with the reality of the situation, that she would have to say goodbye to her loved ones while suffering an indignified death. But then she was cured, in defiance to what her doctors had predicted and was given a new lease of life. It is quite frankly a modern day miracle (I'm not religious, I've seen doctors use that one themselves after being stumped by a recovery). That's why she believed that an intervention had occured.

    When you're told you're going to die, do you curl up and accept it as Gods will?
    **** no! You fight, and you fight with everything you have, I'll be damned if I every see one of my family give up and wait for death.
    Find new doctors, find new treatments. **** the expense and to hell with whoever says to stop. I will not be leaving this life unless there is absolutely no way to stay, I hold the same for everyone I know.
    With my last breath I will thank everyone who has helped me, not some indifferent, yet somehow loving and caring God.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭toiletduck


    I get what you're saying OP and I agree. I hate to see it in other aspects of people's lives too, "I thank God for having a wonderful family, job etc". it really is disheartening to see people not giving the real thanks to themselves for their own achievements in that kinda instance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,353 ✭✭✭Goduznt Xzst


    It does get to me some times but I never usually mention it as people who tend to thank God a lot or think he is actively guiding them and answering their prayers obviously have a lot of emotional investment in this belief. Sometimes it is all they have holding them on the lip of a deep pit of depression.

    Plus, I guarantee everyone here who thinks people praying for God to help them do not have perspective are hypocrites. Humans inherently lack perspective, we exist, myself included, in our own little microcosm for the majority. When bad things happen to us that is all we see. We get angry about minor hiccups, we get sad and depressed about fleeting trials, it is part of the human experience. I make a point of always stopping and thinking "it can always be worse"

    So if someone takes solace in praying I let them without mention, there are a sight more injurious actions being committed by organized religion in this world that need to be stamped out before we start taking exception with the individuals who have a personal need for a being to keep them emotionally stable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,306 ✭✭✭Zamboni


    It is right to give Him thanks and praise.

    It'd be better to give him a P45.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    So if someone takes solace in praying I let them without mention, there are a sight more injurious actions being committed by organized religion in this world that need to be stamped out before we start taking exception with the individuals who have a personal need for a being to keep them emotionally stable.

    Which is why it's here and I'm not in court for trying to beat sense into some people.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    Yes, it is a logical fallacy to thank the God who allowed you to get cancer, for curing it.

    But that woman probably took a lot of solace in her religion while she fought the disease, so it's only natural that she'd be thankful. And as LZ5by5 suggests, there's nothing to suggest she isn't eternally grateful to her doctors as well.

    People who actually do die of cancer thanking God would be worth talking about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,788 ✭✭✭MrPudding


    Oh right, because I couldn't possibly be actually concerned for another human being.
    Well, how could you? You are an atheist so why would you possibly feel the need to be concerned about another human?

    MrP


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    I've been to hospital more than once in a life threatening situation and survived. It annoyed me when someone would say to me "You should thank God that you pulled through". I'd be more inclined to thank the staff at the hospital for saving my life and nursing me back to health, not to mention my physition(sp?) who identified my illness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    Oh right, because I couldn't possibly be actually concerned for another human being.

    Real scenarios hold much more weight than made up ones. If you want to make a strong point, don't weaken it unnecessarily.

    I may have insulted her, I accept that, but if she didn't want to take the chance of people referencing her story, it shouldn't be on the internet. Now I'm calling an end to any more insults (real or imagined), a better option than continuing to talk about a very difficult time in her life, no?

    Pre-emptive: "Better to not have brought it up at all." Refer to second paragraph.

    Again, you misunderstand. By all means bring up this personal story to add weight to you point. Thats your perogative. Don't then pretend you are concerned that she might be p!ssed off though. You get what I'm saying? You are either concerned about talking about her and leave the personal side of your point out, 'Or', You realise its personal but go ahead anyway to make your point. The point being, once you've progressed with your thread, it seems a bit hypocritical to then express your concern that she may get p!ssed off about you talking about her.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    JimiTime wrote: »
    Again, you misunderstand. By all means bring up this personal story to add weight to you point. Thats your perogative. Don't then pretend you are concerned that she might be p!ssed off though. You get what I'm saying? You are either concerned about talking about her and leave the personal side of your point out, 'Or', You realise its personal but go ahead anyway to make your point. The point being, once you've progressed with your thread, it seems a bit hypocritical to then express your concern that she may get p!ssed off about you talking about her.

    Or I only really intended for it to be used as an example in my first post, but then it got re-used a little more than I though was respectful.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    OneArt wrote: »
    Personally, I thank Buddha for all the good things in my life.

    I thank myself (but I do attempt to blame other for all the bad things).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,758 ✭✭✭Stercus Accidit


    Its the age old, if it doesn't hurt anyone, let them do it.

    Thanking god for ones own trials, sure, its selling yourself short, but in the believers mind the magic god and his power may be a more real reassurance than self reliance.

    Pathetic? Maybe.

    Affecting others? Maybe, maybe not.

    On a par with all the other forms of sun worship and magic? Sure.

    But if it doesn't harm anyone in individual form, as in goduzntexists post, leave them to it, and concentrate on the far more imposing and destructive organisation behind these human belittling cults. And maybe then there will be less people dragged into inherited guilt and shame for their own human nature.

    But I agree it is frustrating to listen to, but so is prayer, and all the other weird things these people do and attribute to magic.

    I'd be kind of 'meh' about the whole thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,838 ✭✭✭DapperGent


    I agree with the sentiment of the OP but I consider it wholly inappropriate and unpleasant to reference an individual poster in this way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,759 ✭✭✭coillcam


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    It's even more of a cop out than that. It's usually "god works in mysterious ways"

    "It was his time and God chose to call him"

    -Priest at my cousin's 2 years mass last weekend.

    So if I want to call/beckon my "followers" to my ethereal realm, I catch their clothes in a conveyor belt, dragging them into a stone crushing machine and smack their head with it just to make sure. A good mangling might not be sufficient. I can see the connection there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    DapperGent wrote: »
    I agree with the sentiment of the OP but I consider it wholly inappropriate and unpleasant to reference an individual poster in this way.

    And yet your fellow mods feel no issue.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    The OP was just letting off some steam, it's not a personal attack on anyone, he just used them as an example to raise a reasonably valid point, didn't use their name or anything. Big fuss over nothing as far as i can see.

    Nah, he just posted a link to her post in order to express his disgust. Seriously, can you not put the rose tinted glasses down for one moment?


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  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,459 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    Nah, he just posted a link to her post in order to express his disgust. Seriously, can you not put the rose tinted glasses down for one moment?

    Fiddlesticks.I don't wear glasses, but on this evidence maybe i should, honestly didn't see the link. My bad.:rolleyes:


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,558 Mod ✭✭✭✭Dades


    LZ5by5 wrote: »
    And yet your fellow mods feel no issue.
    DapperGent doesn't moderate A&A and therefore is just a user here like you.

    If the OP had linked to a particular post it might have been removed, but in reality the link was only to reference a concept that was up for discussion - i.e. people crediting God for things that happen them.

    That's my view on the matter at any rate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 900 ✭✭✭paulieeye


    I in some ways agree with the OP but in thanking god is she not thanking one of the main factors that gave her strength to get through the whole situation?

    I dont believe in god but I can see how some people gain strength from such an idea and help them fight. Her gradatude maybe misplaced but in her eyes this is what got her through, so in her eyes is this not who she should thank? From an outsiders view, no, but from her view its a different story. If she did not believe in this 'cloud man' would she still be alive, maybe. But it gave her hope and from my expierence thats half the battle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    paulieeye wrote: »
    I in some ways agree with the OP but in thanking god is she not thanking one of the main factors that gave her strength to get through the whole situation?

    I dont believe in god but I can see how some people gain strength from such an idea and help them fight. Her gradatude maybe misplaced but in her eyes this is what got her through, so in her eyes is this not who she should thank? From an outsiders view, no, but from her view its a different story. If she did not believe in this 'cloud man' would she still be alive, maybe. But it gave her hope and from my expierence thats half the battle.

    But if you believe in god, you have to acknowledge that you're sick only because he deliberately allowed you to get sick. You're only in that situation because of him so surely he's the last person you should be appealing to for strength?

    Seems to me that people who pray to god when they're sick don't really understand god


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,359 ✭✭✭Overblood


    I find the Prayer request thread absolutely sickening. One woman suffered a miscarriage and asked for prayers, and I'm genuinely sorry for her troubles. I have have a close friend who miscarried her child. Anyway, the woman recieved a "consoling" reply from a poster who said that it may not not be god's will that she concieve so soon.

    W...........T...........F


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    I've been informed that my OP may have caused offense to a number of people, I take this opportunity to wholeheartedly apologise for any offense caused, please understand it was never my intention.

    The only reason I chose that particular example was because it stuck out in my mind. A friend of mine was diagnosed with cancer and that is the main reason I remembered it.

    Again I apologise and hope that no one will hold this against me in the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    The one that confuses me is when I see a news story like "Child rescued from drowning by passing stranger, family thanks God"...
    I'm sure the people aren't ungrateful to the person that risked life and limb to save their Tiny Tim... but it can seem that way...

    What did God do in these situations? arranged the strangers life in such a way that he would be passing at the right time to save the child?
    Why would he do that rather than simply increasing the local coefficient of friction under the child feet thus preventing him falling in the water in the first place? That would require far less interference with the free will of others in order to produce a situation in which the man was passing at just the right time to see and save the child... Why a huge convoluted plan? oh that's right mysterious ways...


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,459 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    kiffer wrote: »
    The one that confuses me is when I see a news story like "Child rescued from drowning by passing stranger, family thanks God"...
    I'm sure the people aren't ungrateful to the person that risked life and limb to save their Tiny Tim... but it can seem that way...

    What did God do in these situations? arranged the strangers life in such a way that he would be passing at the right time to save the child?
    Why would he do that rather than simply increasing the local coefficient of friction under the child feet thus preventing him falling in the water in the first place? That would require far less interference with the free will of others in order to produce a situation in which the man was passing at just the right time to see and save the child... Why a huge convoluted plan? oh that's right mysterious ways...

    Ah now, he's probably a bit bored what with knowing everything and being everywhere at once and just does these things to keep himself interested :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,290 ✭✭✭bigeasyeah


    Sam Vimes wrote: »
    And why did he give her cancer in the first place :confused:

    Thanking god for curing someone's cancer is like thanking someone for taking their knife away from your throat

    People do that


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭3greenrizla's


    OP, what did you expect to read when you clicked on a thread called "Praise the Lord" on the Christianity section?

    A lot of people find god when they are diagnosed with a terminal illness and it is not surprising that someone who has faith to thank God/Mohammed/Buddha/Flying Spaghetti Monster for giving them the courage to fight the illness/accept their demise. If it works for them what harm and who are you to say they are wrong, God might not exist, but then again he might and you (and I) have just not found him/her/it yet. But even if you are 100% sure that this person is an idiot* and there is no God, why did you read the thread?

    in regards to insulting doctors, I would imagine a Dr would prefer a patient who thinks God is on their side.

    I think it is important to remember that even if you (I) don't have faith it is important to have a little respect to the faith(s) of others, if it helps them get through their daily lives and hopefully makes them a better person, good for them, let them thank whoever they want.

    Now the people acting on behalf of god, that's another story.



    oh, I have to admit that I am often guilty of blaming/thanking "god" for the weather.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    But even if you are 100% sure that this person is an idiot* and there is no God, why did you read the thread?
    Same reason I read threads in Paranormal, or TLL. For teh lulz.

    in regards to insulting doctors, I would imagine a Dr would prefer a patient who thinks God is on their side.
    By making them sick?
    [...] if it helps them get through their daily lives and hopefully makes them a better person, good for them, let them thank whoever they want.
    Why should we need threats to be good people, this particular topic has been done to death, but the underlying facts are frightening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭3greenrizla's


    By making them sick?

    No, I am not a Dr so I cannot really say what dr's would think, but a Dr is in my mind a man of science, who would not blame God for making anyone sick. But if a person uses religion "as a crutch" to deal with being diagnosed with a terminal illness and facing their mortality I personally cannot see it being a problem, if it helps all the better and I would think that a doctor should be all for it. Obviously this would change if a persons religious beliefs conflicted with any recommended treatment.
    Why should we need threats to be good people, this particular topic has been done to death, but the underlying facts are frightening.

    that is a totally different argument, my main point was that if religion helps someone good for them, and if it guides someone to being a better person that's a bonus.

    If this lady approached you and started taking up your time by trying to convince you there is a god, because she beat cancer then I would have no bother with you being irate, but she didn't you chose to read it, do you read any religious stuff you get in the door, I don't because I have a rough idea of what it's going to say and I know I will find fault with it.







    - Yeah. Well, what Jesus blatantly fails to appreciate is that it's the meek who are the problem.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    No, I am not a Dr so I cannot really say what dr's would think, but a Dr is in my mind a man of science, who would not blame God for making anyone sick. But if a person uses religion "as a crutch" to deal with being diagnosed with a terminal illness and facing their mortality I personally cannot see it being a problem, if it helps all the better and I would think that a doctor should be all for it. Obviously this would change if a persons religious beliefs conflicted with any recommended treatment.
    They turn to a Higher Power, who -they seem to forget- could have easily stopped this from ever happening. I makes absolutely no sense.
    And having your hard work credited to an imaginary friend is highly disrespectful. How many years of college, how much money spent? What gratitude is there?

    A test of faith maybe?
    why does an all powerful all knowing being need to test the faith of His creations, He should know how it's going to work out.
    that is a totally different argument, my main point was that if religion helps someone good for them, and if it guides someone to being a better person that's a bonus.
    Is it? Why do religious people avoid sinning?
    If just because it's the nice thing to do, why is there a need for Hell at all?
    If this lady approached you and started taking up your time by trying to convince you there is a god, because she beat cancer then I would have no bother with you being irate, but she didn't you chose to read it, do you read any religious stuff you get in the door, I don't because I have a rough idea of what it's going to say and I know I will find fault with it.
    Read 'em anyway, some of it is classic.

    You listen to the news? Of course you do! Is there anything in it that bothers you? Of course there is, but you don't bury your head in the sand and hope it will go away.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭3greenrizla's


    They turn to a Higher Power, who -they seem to forget- could have easily stopped this from ever happening. I makes absolutely no sense.
    And having your hard work credited to an imaginary friend is highly disrespectful. How many years of college, how much money spent? What gratitude is there?

    I would hope that a doctor would be more concerned about the health of their patient rather than their own ego.

    Is it? Why do religious people avoid sinning?
    If just because it's the nice thing to do, why is there a need for Hell at all?

    again it's a different argument and as you said has been done to death, but positive moral guidance and learning the difference between right and wrong (morally) cannot be a bad thing regardless of where it comes from.
    You listen to the news? Of course you do! Is there anything in it that bothers you? Of course there is, but you don't bury your head in the sand and hope it will go away.

    there are many things that bother me, of course there are. but I would not visit a Nazi forum and be surprised by anything they say about the Jewish people.

    and I do not think that accepting that people have ideas/beliefs that are different to mine is not putting my head in the sand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    I would hope that a doctor would be more concerned about the health of their patient rather than their own ego.

    Me too :D
    Maybe there is a better example out there, but we both know what I meant.
    and I do not think that accepting that people have ideas/beliefs that are different to mine is not putting my head in the sand.

    It just gets me, there has to be something similar that get to you.


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