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The Great Ida Debate

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  • #102
    Das Kitty
    Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 17,231 Mod ✭✭✭✭Das Kitty


    dlofnep wrote: »
    To be honest, it's not really. It's only open to those who are unwilling to accept the reality of evolution, and that the idea of a God is as far fetched as the Easter Bunny. But, go on with whatever makes you feel comfortable.

    Em.

    It's possible to believe in God and agree that Evolution is the likely way for all life currently on earth to come about you know!

    That's like saying that if you like sandwiches you must hate cake. They're not mutually exclusive.

    Not one iota of evidence of God's existence.
    Nor is there for God's non-existence, so what's your point?

    Anyway, all this find proves is that apes (including ourselves) have a common ancestor with monkeys. I dunno what the OP was on about that it proves the theory of evolution any further than it was already proven.


  • #103
    johnny_knoxvile
    Registered Users Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭johnny_knoxvile


    Where does the honey monster fit into this evolutionary mystery? Or the Rabcat?...remember that one?


  • #104
    danh789
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭danh789


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Read my above post. He told me himself he doesn't exist.

    Jeez - how plainly do I have to say it? Are you still annoyed because I made fun of your 'rules of hooking up' thread?

    Actually I didnt even realise it was you (just after going back through old posts). I have an opinion and you made a stupid statement, now if you could back up the fact that God doesnt exist with some solid arguments I will listen.

    Oh by the way, Ryan Tubridy earns over 400,000eur a year and is going out with one of the hottest women in Ireland, just thought you'd like to hear that again!


  • #105
    Rob_l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    danh789 wrote: »
    Actually I didnt even realise it was you (just after going back through old posts). I have an opinion and you made a stupid statement, now if you could back up the fact that God doesnt exist with some solid arguments I will listen.

    Oh by the way, Ryan Tubridy earns over 400,000eur a year and is going out with one of the hottest women in Ireland, just thought you'd like to hear that again!

    Firstly
    Any discussion that involves people evolving from apes should use tubriddy as an example well done!

    I agree partially with what your saying there is no proof there is no god your right there, but there isn't really proof of a god either. You are merely filling in the blanks with a god to explain them.

    But I also believe evolution does not explain away god it merely poses the further question which you choose to answer with god.

    And that question is what created the things which created the things which lead to man. Which leads right back to the big bang and the question of why was there even anythign there in the first place to implode and create everythign else this leaves us still the question of is there a god who created this, but not a definite answer of yes there is or no there is not.


  • #106
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    danh789 wrote: »
    Actually I didnt even realise it was you (just after going back through old posts).

    Sure you didn't. ;)
    I have an opinion and you made a stupid statement

    Welcome to After Hours - where people's beliefs are mocked mercilessly until they realise that they should have taken it to another forum.
    now if you could back up the fact that God doesnt exist with some solid arguments I will listen.

    I'm not in this for solid arguments kid, I'm in it for the yucks. If I was actually trying to argue the point with you I'd have hardly written this....
    AnonoBoy wrote:
    He told me himself he doesn't exist.
    .... now would I?
    Oh by the way, Ryan Tubridy earns over 400,000eur a year and is going out with one of the hottest women in Ireland, just thought you'd like to hear that again!

    Who's Ryan Tubridy?


    [edit]Just googled him. Apparently he's some lanky lad off the telly who's going out with that young wan from back home. Horrible taste in men that O'Sullivan girl has altogether.[/edit]


  • #107
    A7X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭A7X


    danh789 wrote: »
    Actually I didnt even realise it was you (just after going back through old posts). I have an opinion and you made a stupid statement, now if you could back up the fact that God doesnt exist with some solid arguments I will listen.

    Oh by the way, Ryan Tubridy earns over 400,000eur a year and is going out with one of the hottest women in Ireland, just thought you'd like to hear that again!

    I demand that he get's a reduction in pay.


  • #108
    danh789
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭danh789


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Sure you didn't. ;)



    Welcome to After Hours - where people's beliefs are mocked mercilessly until they realise that they should have taken it to another forum.



    I'm not in this for solid arguments kid, I'm in it for the yucks.



    Who's Ryan Tubridy?


    [edit]Just googled him. Apparently he's some lanky lad off the telly who's going out with that young wan from back home. Horrible taste in men that O'Sullivan girl has altogether.[/edit]

    The fact that you couldn't even scrape together one decent answer tells me one thing.......You've just been lawyered


  • #109
    corkie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,631 ✭✭✭corkie


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Welcome to After Hours - where people's beliefs are mocked mercilessly until they realise that they should have taken it to another forum.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :P :P :P ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    But google is using the image of the remains across the logo!

    Regards,
    J.


  • #110
    Sam Vimes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,611 ✭✭✭✭Sam Vimes


    danh789 wrote: »
    The fact that you couldn't even scrape together one decent answer tells me one thing.......You've just been lawyered

    Take it here mate:http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=614

    you'll get lots and lots and lots of arguments. Personally I believe in the flying spaghetti monster for no other reason than you can't prove he doesn't exist


  • #111
    danh789
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭danh789


    A7X wrote: »
    I demand that he get's a reduction in pay.

    I say give him a increase in pay, afterall he does have the top job now!


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  • #112
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    danh789 wrote: »
    The fact that you couldn't even scrape together one decent answer tells me one thing.......

    ...... that you're desperate for an argument and are frustrated that I'm merely taking the piss out of the whole debate?

    ......or perhaps you're just a little bit antsy the past while since you discovered that Senor Tubbs is straight and your romantic dreams of him taking you roughly over the Tubridy Tonight desk while being egged on by Clint Velour and The Camembert Quartet are shattered?


  • #113
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Wow, I go away for a few hours and a thread about palaeontology turns into a free for all debate on whether God exists or not....
    Bugger off the lot of ye! There's plenty of other threads for that debate.
    Milky Moo wrote: »
    How is this not bigger news?
    I am not well learned on the matter.

    I know the basics and I guess I would have fallen into the category that believed the romanticised notion,as it has been described here, of the missing link finally sealing evolution as indisputable fact.
    Surely there should be great ado about the publication of this find?

    I probably wouldn't have heard about this if I hadn't been to AH.

    To the vast majority of scientists evolution has been accepted as fact for a very long time. The new find does not so much prove evolution as it does reaffirm the idea.
    danh789 wrote: »
    So tell me this, why aren't we evolving anymore?

    We are actually. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortinately, depending on how you would feel about rapid evolution) evolution from species to species does not happen in the space of a single lifetime or two.
    dlofnep wrote: »
    You were always cool in my book. Anybody who likes giant lizards who savage other lizards to death with giant nashers must be cool!

    Lizards? My protegé has learned nothing from me... :(

    *kills self*


  • #114
    A7X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭A7X


    danh789 wrote: »
    I say give him a increase in pay, afterall he does have the top job now!

    :confused:


  • #115
    danh789
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭danh789


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    ...... that you're desperate for an argument and are frustrated that I'm merely taking the piss out of the whole debate?

    ......or perhaps you're just a little bit antsy the past while since you discovered that Senor Tubbs is straight and your romantic dreams of him taking you roughly over the Tubridy Tonight desk while being egged on by Clint Velour and The Camembert Quartet are shattered?

    I suppose if I was going to go gay I could think of much worse ways!!!....no, focus, back to the topic

    When you were quoting me you left out the last bit of the sentence "You've just been laywered". Is it because you know that you have....Just Been Laywered


  • #116
    danh789
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭danh789


    Galvasean wrote: »
    We are actually. Unfortunately (or perhaps fortinately, depending on how you would feel about rapid evolution) evolution from species to species does not happen in the space of a single lifetime or two.

    Actually we have art-work from 1000-2000 years ago and there is no obvious change in man over this long period of time


  • #117
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    danh789 wrote: »
    Actually we have art-work from 1000-2000 years ago and there is no obvious change in man over this long period of time

    Artwork from 1,000 years ago? My God!!!!!

    You're either missing a few zeros on your years there or else you have a crazy idea about how fast evolution happens.


  • #118
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    danh789 wrote: »
    Actually we have art-work from 1000-2000 years ago and there is no obvious change in man over this long period of time

    Actually humans have become significantly taller in that space of time.


  • #119
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    danh789 wrote: »
    When you were quoting me you left out the last bit of the sentence "You've just been laywered". Is it because you know that you have....Just Been Laywered

    A come back isn't a come back unless you come back with something. You're just saying the same silly silly Americanised catchphrase again and again.

    Now back in your box where you can fap away and think about Tubbs..... there's a good lad. :)


  • #120
    Rob_l
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,905 ✭✭✭Rob_l


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Actually humans have become significantly taller in that space of time.

    Woohoo thank god for smart people

    I knew we had changed just couldn't think how


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  • #121
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    partyatmygaff wrote: »
    IIRC, Some of the church believe evolution was crafted by god so that reduces your post to just the information that your shoulders are hairy.


    Oh yeah, seriously though, If we evolved from apes why are there still Apes walking around and not evolving?

    The species of Apes that we evolved from died out long,long ago!!

    Gorillas, Chimpanzees, etc are walking around evolving in the same way we are.


  • #122
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Rob_l wrote: »
    I knew we had changed just couldn't think how

    We've also grown to appreciate the comedy stylings of Jerry Lewis more as well.

    Although that might be just the French.


  • #123
    A7X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭A7X


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    We've also grown to appreciate the comedy stylings of Jerry Lewis more as well.

    Although that might be just the French.

    I still don't find Tommy Tiernan funny though.


  • #124
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    The species of Apes that we evolved from died out long,long ago!!

    They didn't exactly die out. They became us.


  • #125
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    A7X wrote: »
    I still don't find Tommy Tiernan funny though.

    Neither do monkeys.

    See? There's a link right there for ya.


  • #126
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Galvasean wrote: »
    They didn't exactly die out. They became us.

    So you're saying we're apes that scrub up good then, yeah?


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  • #127
    danh789
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭danh789


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Actually humans have become significantly taller in that space of time.
    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Artwork from 1,000 years ago? My God!!!!!

    You're either missing a few zeros on your years there or else you have a crazy idea about how fast evolution happens.

    See AnonoBoy, notice the difference between a proper answer and a stupid statement. I do believe that yet again, You've just been....wait for it.....LAYWERED!


  • #128
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Bambi wrote: »
    Dunno, I find it kinda funny that so many people will uphold it as an absolute fact that we're directly descended from apes when this missing link was/is unfound for so long despite science best efforts ( and occasional attempts at fraud :pac:)

    The missing link was found years ago.

    The problem is in the media coverage. Everytime a half-ape,half-man fossil is discovered its called the missing link and people forget about all the other missing links that were found previously, e.g. Neanderthal, Lucy, Little Foot, etc. The missing link between apes and humans was found decades ago; all this discovery does is reinforce it, and as far as I understand this is being called the missing link between primates and mammals, which is a completely different to the missing link between apes and humans.

    In a few years, another similiar fossil will be found and the media will say "the evolutionary missing link between humans and apes have been found" and most people will forget about this one and all the other ones.


  • #129
    A7X
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭A7X


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Neither do monkeys.

    See? There's a link right there for ya.

    Maybe we have yet to evolve into his comedy stylings. TBH I more so see it as we evolved and he didn't, what with all his shouting nonsense and the like.


  • #130
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    danh789 wrote: »
    See AnonoBoy, notice the difference between a proper answer and a stupid statement. I do believe that yet again, You've just been....wait for it.....LAYWERED!

    Eh..... ok there young lad you've clearly taken a wrong turn somewhere. You do realise that you're still in After Hours here? :rolleyes:

    And, even though my tone was sarcastic, there was a valid point to my post. You said that there's artwork from 1,000 to 2,000 years ago. Well of course there bloody well is - that is merely a speck in the history of our planet. Evolution takes MILLIONS of years to happen in hugely significant ways. If you're expecting to be able to discern if evolution is still happening from artwork from 1,000 years ago then you're very very wrong.

    You're not one of these fools who thinks that the earth is only 10,000 years old or something, are you?

    [edit] And your insistence on claiming that I've been.... wait for it... LAWYERED!!!!! (OMG LOLZ) when you haven't actually answered with anything except that same damn stupid Americanised catchphrase is for want of a better phrase... like, so stupid and stuff.

    And also Galvasean's post merely served to point out how wrong you were. So..... wait for it.... you've been SOLICITORED!!!
    [/edit]


  • #131
    danh789
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭danh789


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Eh..... ok there young lad you've clearly taken a wrong turn somewhere. You do realise that you're still in After Hours here? :rolleyes:

    And, even though my tone was sarcastic, there was a valid point to my post. You said that there's artwork from 1,000 to 2,000 years ago. Well of course there bloody well is - that is merely a speck in the history of our planet. Evolution takes MILLIONS of years to happen in hugely significant ways. If you're expecting to be able to discern if evolution is still happening from artwork from 1,000 years ago then you're very very wrong.

    You're not one of these fools who thinks that the earth is only 10,000 years old or something, are you?

    Artwork 2000 years ago potrays the human body very well, unlike drawing from 10's of thousands of years ago. I was looking for small changes to the human body and the question was answered for me, do you understand I was lokking for slight changes over a shorter period of time


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  • #132
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    KarenWallace wrote: »
    Remember this

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8014598.stm

    So you lot are half cow and half ape.

    The degradation of human life continues and you lot eat it all up like clowns. Litte insight "Do not believe everything you are told".

    Degredation? I'm quite proud to be an ape they are an amazing species.


  • #133
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    So you're saying we're apes that scrub up good then, yeah?

    Basically we are a special kind of ape, known to science as the genus Homo. Homos are known for their clenliness and having significantly less hair in certain areas than the usual caveman.
    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    The missing link was found years ago.

    The problem is in the media coverage. Everytime a half-ape,half-man fossil is discovered its called the missing link and people forget about all the other missing links that were found previously, e.g. Neanderthal, Lucy, Little Foot, etc.

    Ah Little Foot, I believe he was the missing link between Apatosaurus and Camarasaurus. Not bad considering he lost his mother at such a young age.
    danh789 wrote: »
    See AnonoBoy, notice the difference between a proper answer and a stupid statement. I do believe that yet again, You've just been....wait for it.....LAYWERED!

    Maybe 'lawyered' means something different to the youth of today, but in my day it meant to be rodgered (usually from behind) by someone in a position of authority or power, usually to gain something like apromotion or a pay rise...

    So yeah, how about them fossils?


  • #134
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    danh789 wrote: »
    do you understand I was lokking for slight changes over a shorter period of time

    Well you didn't state what you were lokking for so how was anyone here supposed to know?

    We haven't evolved to the point of mind reading yet. Although if we had how would you know because you can't tell if someone's a mind reader from looking at an art rendering of them........ spooky, isn't it?


  • #135
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    And also Galvasean's post merely served to point out how wrong you were. So..... wait for it.... you've been SOLICITORED!!!
    [/edit]

    Okay, Im pretty sure that has something to do with selling people for sex...
    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    Degredation? I'm quite proud to be an ape they are an amazing species.

    'Ape' isn't a species. It's a family made up of several genera and many species.


  • #136
    Rabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,258 ✭✭✭✭Rabies


    Sometimes I feel like we need an After Hours chat room.

    But then I realise that it would be a nightmare.


  • #137
    danh789
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭danh789


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    Well you didn't state what you were lokking for so how was anyone here supposed to know?

    We haven't evolved to the point of mind reading yet. Although if we had how would you know because you can't tell if someone's a mind reader from looking at an art rendering of them........ spooky, isn't it?

    I'm actually really sorry about that, most people with an IQ over 20 would have realised it was a typo and known the word it was meant to be, but for you I will explain. I meant to type 'looking' not 'lokking'. Do you understand?


  • #138
    sink
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭sink


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Basically we are a special kind of ape, known to science as the genus Homo. Homos are known for their clenliness and having significantly less hair in certain areas than the usual caveman.

    When did the discussion switch from biological taxonomy to an anthropological perspective on sexual behaviour.


  • #139
    My name is URL
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,069 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Basically we are a special kind of ape, known to science as the genus Homo. Homos are known for their clenliness and having significantly less hair in certain areas than the usual caveman.

    They also have tendencies towards Bette Midler


  • #140
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    sink wrote: »
    When did the discussion switch from biological taxonomy to an anthropological perspective on sexual behaviour.

    When I decided to make a play on words joke about the official scientific genus name for humans (it's Homo).


  • #141
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    danh789 wrote: »
    I'm actually really sorry about that

    And so you should be. ;)


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  • #142
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    My name is URL wrote: »
    They also have tendencies towards Bette Midler

    Oh no..... Bette Midler!


  • #143
    A Primal Nut
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    danh789 wrote: »
    So tell me this, why aren't we evolving anymore?
    We are. For example, some of the most recent changes happened around the time of the Agricultural Revolution. Humans who took part in agriculture (e.g. Northern Europe) developed lactose tolerance to take advantage of excess milk throughout their whole lives. Humans who didn't take part in the agricultural revolution (e.g. in parts of Asia and Africa) didn't develop Lactose Tolerance and hence even today up to 90% of people from certain areas are lactose intolerant.

    Judging by your posts you seem to think all changes are physical. Well, as was mentioned we have gotten taller and if you go back a long time you can clearly see how humans are different from human-like fossils of millions of years ago. These are much greater evidence than some pictures on a wall which aren't likely to be very detailed or accurate.

    Another examples is wolves who spent time around humans eventually evolved into dogs (no fear of humans, loyalty, humanlike expressions, etc.).

    If you want to talk about right now, immunity to Aids is one way in which Africans, in particular are evolving. The same thing happened at some point in history with every disease in which humans are now immune. Those pictures on the wall may not look very different to us, but I'm sure the people who drew them probably had quite different immunities to us.

    It is possible that climate change, if it doesn't wipe us out, may cause selection pressure that will allow us to evolve a great deal. Better swimmers for a start. :)

    Edit: I know Ape aren't a species, but this is After Hours so I'm not paying much attention to every word i write which i suppose i should!


  • #144
    danh789
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭danh789


    A Primal Nut wrote: »
    We are. For example, some of the most recent changes happened around the time of the Agricultural Revolution. Humans who took part in agriculture (e.g. Northern Europe) developed lactose tolerance to take advantage of excess milk throughout their whole lives. Humans who didn't take part in the agricultural revolution (e.g. in parts of Asia and Africa) didn't develop Lactose Tolerance and hence even today up to 90% of people from certain areas are lactose intolerant.

    Another examples is wolves who spent time around humans eventually evolved into dogs (no fear of humans, loyalty, humanlike expressions, etc.).

    Immunity to Aids is one way in which Africans, in particular are evolving. The same thing happened at some point in history with every disease in which humans are now immune.

    Legen....wait for it....and I hope your not lactose intolerant because here comes the Dary


  • #145
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    danh789 wrote: »
    Legen....wait for it....and I hope your not lactose intolerant because here comes the Dary

    *facepalm*

    I'm not even going to touch that one. It's way too easy.


  • #146
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    AnonoBoy wrote: »

    I'm not even going to touch that one. It's way too easy.

    I think I said the very same thing in CopperFace Jack's the other night.


  • #147
    dlofnep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,759 ✭✭✭✭dlofnep


    Galvasean wrote: »

    Lizards? My protegé has learned nothing from me... :(

    *kills self*

    Sorry, I meant Terrible Lizards!!


  • #148
    danh789
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭danh789


    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    *facepalm*

    I'm not even going to touch that one. It's way too easy.

    Go on, touch it!!! But seriously if you do have something to saying just say it.....if it is that easy!


  • #149
    AnonoBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,559 ✭✭✭✭AnonoBoy


    Galvasean wrote: »
    I think I said the very same thing in CopperFace Jack's the other night.

    *boom* *boom*

    "Thank you! You've been a great audience. I'm Galvasean, Goodnight!"


  • #150
    Tchaikovsky
    Registered Users Posts: 2,185 ✭✭✭Tchaikovsky


    Stop playing the race card!


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  • #151
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    dlofnep wrote: »
    Sorry, I meant Terrible Lizards!!

    How very Sir Richard Owen of you.
    AnonoBoy wrote: »
    *boom* *boom*

    "Thank you! You've been a great audience. I'm Galvasean, Goodnight!"

    Yeah my 'high-brow' (aka nerd) humor didn't go down so well...


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