Man Shot Dead By Gardai During Attempted Robbery

Group 4 or any of the other cash-in-transit companies are ordinary men and women, and are NOT armed or provided with any effective form of self protection against a shotgun blast.

Cash-In-Transit staff HAVE been shot and seriously injured in the past,with devestating results.

I would suggest that a Group 4 employee carrying a cash box is in mortal danger from the likes of Mr Molloy and his accomplices who MUST be taken as being prepared to USE their weapons.

I would not consider myself to be a slavish supporter of AGS policies but in this case I would stand firm in my opinion of the members involved having performed a dangerous and thankless task with bravery and determination.

From breakingnews.ie;

Molloy, of Lower Sheriff Street, north inner city Dublin, was a known gangster and in 2003 was sentenced to six years for firearms offences but had four-and-a-half years suspended on condition he attended drug rehab.

In 2004, he was given a five-year suspended sentence for traffic offences and had a long list of convictions for minor offences.

What is somewhat more depressing is the realization that yet again it`s a case of the "Usual Suspects".
From the accounts now being published we see the sadly typical reality of hardened criminals,emboldened by years of tolerant finger wagging by a State thus seen as wimpy and powerless.

Every day we read court reports of similar new blood being given similar sentences for their first ventures into criminality.
It`s all so predictable.....Probation Act-Juvenile Liason Scheme-Young Offenders-Detox and Rehab programmes......anything as long as it does`nt smack of Punishment.

Net result...a growing clique of young self-confident persons who have been built up to incredible proportions and who will eventually decide to put-it-up to the State as happened in Lucan.

Even today,as accounts of arrests and other associated Garda activity are being made public,we see the same predictable addresses,same tight geographical locations and the same references to dependencies or other such avenuies to excuse criminal terrorist behaviour.

We are such a tolerant society and that tolerance is costing us dearly !

jetski wrote: »

Hes contradicting himself.

I dont expect them to do nothing, a shot in the leg will be more than enough to stop someone, you dont need to kill them.

Here we go again : since when do you think a shot in the leg can't be lethal ? And on top of that if you think a Garda marksman has the time to afford the luxury taking the risk of taking a doubtful aimed shot at a leg of someone who might shoot a member of the public or another Garda at any time when he can aim a shot or shots depending how the threat reacts at center mass which has a higher probability of hitting the target and a higher probability of success in neutralising the threat ?

In simple words : the particular Gardai on the trigger did not fire to kill. They fired to neutralise an immediate very serious threat that can't be countered by less lethal means whether they had a chance to challenge them is rather irrelevant. It all depends how serious the threat was and in this case without knowing the details I'd say it was very very serious and very imminent.

Personally i think it was a good move to send out a message if nothing else, serious crime like this will not be tolerated!

Alot of the papers and other sources this morning reporting that 5 shots were fired, which would mean that more than one garda believed it was the last resort and no other option available

mcguiver wrote: »

Meanwhile, back on topic.

My sympathies lie with the decent bank workers, security personnell and members of the public who want to go about their lives without being put at risk by people who are too lazy and dumb to earn a living.

This point is quite important IMO.

One of the predominant characteristics of our criminal underclass is their fondness for being described as "Unemployed",usually put forward in the context of an application for Free Legal Aid.

Possession of a young baby and a girlfriend is another desireable option when going through the legal hoops as is having been on a "Programme" of some description,usually one involving Drugs or Alcohol or a combination of same.

The underlying reality is that before these folks embark upon their criminal adventures they are already making full use of the panopoly of State Benefits which,naturally enough,are being paid for by the very people they will be visiting their pent up anger and aggression upon.

So....us "ordinaries",including the Gardai who must attempt to prevent the crime,the Ambulance Personnell,Doctors and Nurses who WILL make the GREATEST of attempts to keep these Criminal types alive AFTER they get themselves shot, are simply to ber laughed at and treated with contempt for daring to disagree with a system which mollycoddles criminals at every stage ?

The Criminals typified by Friday`s escapade are far from being Lazy and Dumb.....Energetic and Cunning would be a more accurate description I feel.

Excellent work by OCU and all other members involved.

Armed criminals go out there to commit crime under the pretense that the majority of Gardai they may encounter would simply back off due to being unarmed..so the presence these units has displayed how AGS will not tolerate the effective 'abuse' of that privaledge in Irish society.

Well going by the Sindo article he was threatening to kill the security guard.

The 28-year-old armed robber shot dead by an undercover garda on Friday was holding a sawn-off shotgun to the throat of a security van driver and threatening to kill him before being called on to drop his weapon, it has been learned.

So it definitely looks the guard shot to save a life.

Isn't that what the yanks would call a righteous kill?

EDIT: That sounds more gung ho than I meant, but you know what I mean.