Man Shot Dead By Gardai During Attempted Robbery

WillieCocker

I feel this a job very well done by the Gardai and all involved and i hope it will make serious criminals realise they are not dealing with Garda O'Shea anymore, and they will be fired upon if they don't drop their weapons and "Proper Order" too.

brayblue24

WillieCocker wrote: »

it will make serious criminals realise they are not dealing with Garda O'Shea anymore.

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Sully

brayblue24 wrote: »

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I think he meant not any awl guard.. Not one in particular!

Manic Moran

Don't believe everything you hear!!

True, but in this case, he's quite correct on both counts.

It's called Felony Murder, and it can apply to any death, including that of an accomplice. Basically, if the person would have lived had the criminal act never been carried out, culpability can apply to those who carried out the criminal act, regardless of if it was the intent to harm anyone or not.

I am unsure if a similar law exists in Ireland or not.

NTM

the locust

ART6 wrote: »

A friend just emailed this to me. Not connected to this incident, but it does show how people in other countries see such things?

A guy in Polk County, Florida, got pulled over in a routine traffic stop. He "executed" the deputy who stopped him, shooting him eight times including once behind his right ear. Another deputy was wounded and a police dog killed. A state wide manhunt ensued.

The killer was found hiding in a wooded area with his guns. SWAT team officers opened fire on him and hit him 68 times. Naturally the media went nuts and asked why they shot him 68 times. Polk County sheriff Grady Judd told the Orlando Sentinal "Because that's all the ammunition we had!"



I am not suggesting that we should operate like that in Ireland, but I have to admit it does seem an effective way of removing a killer from the gene pool without getting into hysterics about his human rights.:)

Non related but made me think of the the Iranian embassy seige in london in the 80's. One terrorist pulled out a grenade as they were evacating hostages from the building and the several SAS soldiers shot him dead on the spot. The coroner gave up counting bullets in the corpse after 78!! Initially it sounds excessive.

I suppose armed police aren't much different in the sense that, when you draw your weapon you don't have time to have a group huddle and say 'ok you shoot this guy and i'll shoot the other guy' no - everyone shoots - you just react and rely on training and do what unfortunately needs to be done.

Zambia

Ah hear you cant draw comparisons to the SAS. If you do something bad enough to get them involved you should know you are screwed.

wiki wrote:

After the assault ended, the last surviving gunman, Fowzi Nejad, posed as a hostage and was escorted outside the embassy. There he was quickly identified as a gunman by a real hostage.[1] One SAS soldier was allegedly about to take him back into the building to be shot. The soldier was prevented from doing so when it was pointed out that the world's media were watching.

There was some controversy over some of the killings, especially Shai and Makki. They were guarding the Iranian hostages, and towards the end of the raid the hostages persuaded the men to surrender. Hostages witnessed them throw down their weapons and sit on the floor with their hands on their heads. Weapons being thrown out of a window and a white flag were seen by video cameras outside.
Dadgar, a hostage at the time (confirmed by two other hostages) said (of the SAS):
"They then took the two terrorists, pushed them against the wall and shot them. They wanted to finish their story. That was their job." ...[they might have] "had something in their pockets but certainly had no weapons in their hands at the time."
At a coroner's inquest the SAS were cleared of unlawful conduct by a jury. One of the soldiers said that he thought Makki was going for a gun, and another said he thought Shai had a grenade and shot him in the back of the neck.
Margaret Thatcher and her husband Denis paid a visit to the SAS at Regent's Park barracks after the incident to thank them. "Tom", one of the SAS soldiers present, said of a later meeting with Denis Thatcher:
"He had a big grin on his face and said, 'You let one of the bastards live.' We failed in that respect."

the locust

I wouldn't compare the SAS and the gardai either! As i said 'non related', ART6's post just made me think of that story... I was comparing it with being an armed police person... in the sense that you have to be prepared to aim and pull the trigger when you confront the bad guys

Zambia

Ah sorry about that I missed that vital bit...

There is this thing in gun handling where if 16 blokes have their guns drawn and one fires the rest will possibly all fire as well.

So an 8 man swat team would have fired about 8 shots each , from a fully auto weapon that's not so bad.

If it was texas I would believe it was from a single officer with a 6 shot 357 reloading:)

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