The M50 Barrier Free Tolling Thread

Our man in Havana · 06-05-2009 12:28PM

They had those. They didn't work.

moneymouth77 · 06-05-2009 12:38PM

Well, nonetheless, something that works would be preferable... Any suggestions for a middle-ground here? Maybe a sticker system??

Our man in Havana · 06-05-2009 12:43PM

Like the Austrian and Hungarian toll roads sticker?

moneymouth77 · 06-05-2009 12:46PM

Yeah, why not? Like the Korridor-Vignette, which is only valid for one bit of the motorway between the German border and... Hohenems? I think? Probably a big undertaking, but cheaper and easier than electronic tagging and other such nonsense.

Our man in Havana · 06-05-2009 12:51PM

Enforcement would be an issue. Revenue would drop overnight for eflow as many would not bother getting a sticker. Also huge amounts of resources are tied up in enforcement either by the toll authority and or the police.

It is certainly that way in Austria.

moneymouth77 · 06-05-2009 12:54PM

Just use the exisiting camera etc to check for the stickers. And a visible sticker makes policing and enforcement so much easier...

anfear · 06-05-2009 01:14PM

Hi,

Sorry but this question has probably already been asked before but, does anyone know what the story is with English reg cars?/
If I don't pay is there anyway payzone can fine me???

Our man in Havana · 06-05-2009 01:17PM

Payzone? I didn't know they were an enforcement authority?

I think you meant eflow. The simple answer is no. Too much hard work when there are easier pickings here.

anfear · 06-05-2009 01:21PM

I thought as Payzone run the tolling through their payment network they would be the ones doing the chasing!

Thanks!!

Our man in Havana · 06-05-2009 01:29PM

Payzone only help collect the money on eflows behalf.

Capt'n Midnight · 06-05-2009 07:38PM

anfear wrote: »

Hi,

Sorry but this question has probably already been asked before but, does anyone know what the story is with English reg cars?/
If I don't pay is there anyway payzone can fine me???

They wait until the fine hits €146 or whatever and then sell the debt to a foreign debt collector. Since you go both ways that's probably €252 + their fees and the threat of ruining your credit rating and taking you to court And having their court costs paid if you loose the case. Legal blackmail.

under the old system the most they could sue you for was the toll itself

Seth Brundle · 06-05-2009 10:01PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

They wait until the fine hits €146 or whatever and then sell the debt to a foreign debt collector. Since you go both ways that's probably €252 + their fees and the threat of ruining your credit rating and taking you to court And having their court costs paid if you loose the case. Legal blackmail.

under the old system the most they could sue you for was the toll itself

The debt would have no legal standing abroad surely?

Our man in Havana · 06-05-2009 10:10PM

They would attempt to collect it via their UK mates. See here.
The problem would come down to trying to serve papers on a person in the Uk. I doubt for €146 a court here would allow them to do so. Also it would be hard to prove good service on the accused. Even if they could get a judgement enforcement would be costly and ultimately a waste of time.

Edit: I just found this on a UK motoring forum.

Seth Brundle · 06-05-2009 10:27PM

very interesting.

moneymouth77 · 07-05-2009 10:44AM

If only that worked over here... Just ignoring it would be a godsend.

anfear · 07-05-2009 01:15PM

Very interesting indeed.
Thanks for your help guys. based on the above I don't think I'll bother worrying about it too much!

moneymouth77 · 07-05-2009 01:41PM

Although I can't recommend that... with the best will in the world

Sinderella · 11-05-2009 10:38PM

Hi, I posted this over on the Consumer forum and was directed here.

I have 2 questions really,
I'm trying to understand EFlow's policy that only gives you up to 24hrs to pay your Toll. I'm actually wondering how they have the Law on their side to start sending threatening letters if you pay a few hours late? Does anyone know how or why they are being allowed to do this?

They make it so difficult for people who are not regular users to pay their Toll, surely they should be more lenient in the payment window?

In their threatening letters they quote a Law / Act which only refers to people who "fail, neglect or refuse to pay" a Toll. So why send them to people who paid a day or 2 after they used the road? They still got their €3, right?

I find it so offensive that they're allowed to do this. Does anyone know if they have successfully won a case prosecuting someone for late payment?

Our man in Havana · 11-05-2009 11:25PM

There have been no court cases to date. I personally doubt there will be any.
They don't seem to be relying on any criminal law but on civil contract law which has a lower burden of proof.

In their threatening letters they quote a Law / Act which only refers to people who "fail, neglect or refuse to pay" a Toll. So why send them to people who paid a day or 2 after they used the road? They still got their €3, right?

Correct if you pay the €3 the debt has been paid and they should feck off.

moneymouth77 · 12-05-2009 10:26AM

Has anyone seen this!

http://money.sky.com/mp/features/news/2009/05/12/Figures-show-property-inquiry-rise.html

It's only a step or two away from speed limiting software in every car, for 'safety'... we're close to the apocalypse

Kotek Besar · 12-05-2009 10:30AM

moneymouth77 wrote: »

Has anyone seen this!

http://money.sky.com/mp/features/news/2009/05/12/Figures-show-property-inquiry-rise.html

It's only a step or two away from speed limiting software in every car, for 'safety'... we're close to the apocalypse

Figures show property inquiry rise?

Cuddlesworth · 12-05-2009 11:42AM

benifa wrote: »

Figures show property inquiry rise?

Clearly its one step away from living in speed limited houses with wheels.

moneymouth77 · 12-05-2009 11:50AM

Whoops my bad! Here's the link:

http://motoring.sky.com/news/car-speed-limiter-trials-begin-in-london.aspx

Our man in Havana · 12-05-2009 12:01PM

How is this relevant to toll collection?

moneymouth77 · 12-05-2009 12:06PM

Just read it this morning and thought it applied to the discussion in a general sense: government controlling motoring heavily, etc.

Bluefoam · 12-05-2009 12:14PM

moneymouth77 wrote: »

government controlling motoring heavily, etc.

What has this got to do with the increase in property enquiries?

moneymouth77 · 12-05-2009 12:30PM

Can't you forgive a man who copy/pasted the wrong link? Mea culpa.

Kotek Besar · 12-05-2009 12:54PM

There's no one as Irish as Barack Obama.

moneymouth77 · 12-05-2009 05:58PM

What, now everything goes? I'm lost :S

jenzz · 14-05-2009 12:15AM

jenzz wrote: »

On 6th March I got my solicitors letters. So I emailed eflow after another 27 minutes of taking double dutch on the phone. This morning I got an email back ( 33 days later) apologies for not replying within 48 hours & can I resubmit my mail as they couldnt open the attachement. Now it was a word attachment so we are not talking rocket science here. So I replied & what do I get back............... sorry you cant send your complaint this way you have to do it another way on the web site. So I resent on the web site. What do I get back.... Sorry we cannot open attachements FULL STOP.! So I have typed the whole bloody thing back out & resent.........

1st prize for incompetency - EFLOW!!!!!!
I wonder since they are a government body did they issue themselves bonus's???????????

Guess what peoples - I still havent received a reply or a call or an anything to their 48 hour return time 2 months & 7 days later lol

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