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Irish Open On TV - Tonight + Every Wednesday @ 11.30pm, TG4

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    #32
    White Knight
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭White Knight


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    so the io definitely wouldn't be able to run w/o ppp's money? that doesn't make sense to me, i mean people run much smaller festivals with €50 reg or w/e w/o sponsors and i assume are doing it for profit, how can the io with a much larger reg and far far bigger cash action not be able to do the same?

    Tournaments are very very rarely profitable to be run in any sphere.

    Rake from cash games is how organisers try generate profit as well as various other attempts ... this is the reason you hear of "extorinate rake" at most festivals.


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    #33
    YULETIRED
    Registered Users Posts: 1,709 ✭✭✭YULETIRED


    thenutpeddler wrote: »
    I do my best impression of a ferocious tiger when the camera points at me

    you are being very annoying and offensive at the table from what I can see


    good imprssion though, I jumped


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    #34
    jack90210
    Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭jack90210


    Some nice fish plays in this episode anyway, hope for the rest of us! Channing excellent in the booth.


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    #35
    thenutpeddler
    Closed Accounts Posts: 345 ✭✭thenutpeddler


    They didnt show a few nice hands. Your man to the left of the don got an awful bad beat when he floped a set of jacks and Mick got it all in with tptk and he got runner runner broadway.


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    #36
    BigCityBanker
    Registered Users Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭BigCityBanker


    phantom_lord wrote: »
    i hope i don't upset you as much as eagle eye did with this question! but i'm genuinely a bit confused, you've made a few posts like that making out that ppp is preforming a service to irish poker by running (and paying for?) the io, i know you had to add money to the prize pool last year but other than that surely the festival is run at a profit, no?

    Im not taking your question the wrong way at all, In the case of Eagle Eye he just chooses in advance to do what he feels is the popular thing and knock the production. As I constantly say - we dont really prodice the show for poker players - its for the general public so your always gonna have to go over hand rankings, and other boring stuff etc.

    without getting into much details, we do not make as much as 1c from the Irish Open. If we didnt sponsor it Id guess someone else would, but in the absence of a sponsor then i guess we would be back to a 60 player tournament in Merrion Square?

    There was free Tea, Coffee and Water available over the weekend - this alone costs us 20k and its just one very small detail. There are other small costs like this that people dont consider.

    Why do we do this? In short it is a branding exercise and the money for it comes from our marketing budget.


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    #37
    kincsem
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,013 ✭✭✭kincsem


    I enjoyed the program. There was a nice blend of interviews and play. 10/10.
    Oops, sorry, that was 1/10. :) I'm looking forward to the other 9.


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    #38
    tylerdurden94
    Registered Users Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭tylerdurden94


    Big improvement production wise from the last two years, still not perdect but a step in the right direction for sure.

    Not the biggest fans of the presenters to be honest, your man seems ok but meh, your woman just seems like a wooden plank not too great, but then who else is out there to do presenting anybody got any ideas?

    Main gripes

    (1) Showing hole cards/bet & raises a bit better
    (2) Could of done some post editing of the commentary (thinking Donacha was out when he wasnt)
    (3) Tom Kitts Ugg Boots getting airtime :P


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    #39
    zuroph
    Registered Users Posts: 11,097 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    BigCityBanker wrote: »
    There was free Tea, Coffee and Water available over the weekend - this alone costs us 20k and its just one very small detail. There are other small costs like this that people dont consider..
    I'll do it for 15k for ya.


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    #40
    tylerdurden94
    Registered Users Posts: 2,755 ✭✭✭tylerdurden94


    thenutpeddler wrote: »
    They didnt show a few nice hands. Your man to the left of the don got an awful bad beat when he floped a set of jacks and Mick got it all in with tptk and he got runner runner broadway.

    Remember watching that sickness, i thought for some reason it was after the set over set but obviously not as you were there.


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    #41
    Glowingmind
    Registered Users Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭Glowingmind


    cuterob wrote: »
    where did that presenter pull that accent from?


    That summer in San Diego after my leaving was...like... totally awesome!


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    #42
    westlife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭westlife


    dont want to take sides on this one but something has to be said..... As far as I know, PPP take the reg fees for the tourney's... The jackpot look after the cash games as a seperate entity. Ask ANY individual/company that run big festivals or games, there is NO profit from tourney's, it's all about feeding the cash tables. Paddy Power also supplied (NOT THE HOTEL AS YOU MIGHT HAVE THOUGHT): The room decor, reception area dressing, a band on every night ( and they were good!) and the Wii stations outside. Its a fantastic weekend and long may PPP keeping putting money into this event..... it makes it the weekend that every poker player in ireland (and possibly Europe) look forward to.


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    #43
    LuckyLloyd
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    #44
    shano_88
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    tylerdurden94 wrote: »
    Remember watching that sickness, i thought for some reason it was after the set over set but obviously not as you were there.

    i remember watching and it was definetly after the o dea and harrington hand. what a sick beat it was.......


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    #45
    westlife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 324 ✭✭westlife


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    That is €210k for the main event alone. I have no comprehension of the costs of running a festival like the IO, but that is a significant amount of money to begin with.
    Your right Lloyd, it is, but when you hire a venue like the City West Conference centre for 7 DAYS (Tue -wed setup day's), pay all the staffing costs for the tournaments and all the extras, I honestly believe (dont know for certain, so don't shoot me!) that the Irish Open is a promotion Weekend for PPP. And, if as they say, their affiliation is run at a loss then it is great that they support this event under the present economic climate.


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    #46
    BigCityBanker
    Registered Users Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭BigCityBanker


    LuckyLloyd wrote: »
    That is €210k for the main event alone. I have no comprehension of the costs of running a festival like the IO, but that is a significant amount of money to begin with.

    It is a significant amount of money.

    Any idea what level TV production costs run at? How many TV staff, lighting rigs, cameras, microphones, cutting and editing, extensive post production work etc.

    We received 0 complaints about the food served to tournament players this year? Why? Cos we pay top dollar to give full 3 course roast beef dinners and more.

    have you ever seen an advertising rate card for a poker magazine? have a guess how much a full page advert costs? then think about how many poker magazines there are, and fr how long we run adverts. Last time I looked it cost 6k euro for an inside back cover advert in Bluff.

    Call citywest and get a quote for room hire for a day (yes even I am shocked that we dont get it for free). Also remember that they have a monopoly - there is not another suitable venue in the Dublin area.

    I could go on, the list is nearly endless. We even had to pay some chump to dress up in a tux and call cards at the TV table :)


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    #47
    zuroph
    Registered Users Posts: 11,097 ✭✭✭✭zuroph


    ok ok, 14.5k, but players are limited to one sugar per cup.


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    #48
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    So PPP are claiming they don't make one cent off this. Everyone seems to forget the rake for qualification online which is massive. I would be very surprised if you are not making a profit off the IO when you include the all the reg from satellites.

    On the advertisement end of things, I don't mind advertising at all, its just when you are constantly shoving it down people's throats that it becomes very annoying.


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    #49
    CHD
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    20k for tea and coffee. Saw yous coming.


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    #50
    lillou
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭lillou


    eagle eye wrote: »
    So PPP are claiming they don't make one cent off this. Everyone seems to forget the rake for qualification online which is massive. I would be very surprised if you are not making a profit off the IO when you include the all the reg from satellites.
    quote]

    This would be negated by the $100k given to the sole survivor.


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    #51
    ionapaul
    Registered Users Posts: 5,295 ✭✭✭ionapaul


    eagle eye wrote: »
    On the advertisement end of things, I don't mind advertising at all, its just when you are constantly shoving it down people's throats that it becomes very annoying.

    I don't think it was overdone last night; it could be I'm so used to hearing 'paddypowerpoker.com' in association with the Irish Open that I missed it. What we really needed to do is get Channing to say 'well, that was another exciting hand from the paddypowerpoker.com Irish Open!' a few times - opportunity missed IMO! ;)


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    #52
    Ollieboy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,070 ✭✭✭Ollieboy


    eagle eye wrote: »
    So PPP are claiming they don't make one cent off this. Everyone seems to forget the rake for qualification online which is massive. I would be very surprised if you are not making a profit off the IO when you include the all the reg from satellites.

    On the advertisement end of things, I don't mind advertising at all, its just when you are constantly shoving it down people's throats that it becomes very annoying.

    What is your problem....

    PPP spend a fortune on the IO, I'm guessing around 1 million a year. Its all about marketing for them and they make the money back over the year in getting new players to there site.

    Just for note, each 1 hour show on TG 4 costs around 30 to 50k. So lets round that figure and make it 250k for the whole lot. The deco in the room is massive, rental costs, staff costs and PPP staff working full time on this for nearly 6 months plus advertising.

    I'm laughing at anyone that thinks PPP make any money of this event. I'm sure Pokerstars make nothing also from the EPT events and they run them far cheaper than the IO is done as the Casinos pay to run the events.


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    #53
    strewelpeter
    Registered Users Posts: 1,263 ✭✭✭strewelpeter


    eagle eye wrote: »
    So PPP are claiming they don't make one cent off this. Everyone seems to forget the rake for qualification online which is massive. I would be very surprised if you are not making a profit off the IO when you include the all the reg from satellites.

    On the advertisement end of things, I don't mind advertising at all, its just when you are constantly shoving it down people's throats that it becomes very annoying.
    <Insert favourite faceplam pic here>

    How much massiver (sic) than the walk up and pay on the day rake is it?

    I know what you should do, you should start a union for poker players and you then could picket PPP headquarters and go on TV spouting your ill informed and factually incorrect opinions about the event and get paid for it too.

    FFS man! People from PPP are on here saying that this is a cost to them but it comes out of their marketing budget. Do you not believe them?
    The reason they have a marketing budget, and therefore the reason they run events is to help them make bigger profits in their core business.
    Making a profit is not a crime, profits are used to build the business so they can continue employing people and paying their shareholders. That allows those people to pay taxes so that we as a country can have services like schools to educate people. Obviously in the case of some people those schools are not doing a very good job of educating them to the reality of the world around them.


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    #54
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 37,716 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    strewelpeter wrote: »
    <Insert favourite faceplam pic here>

    How much massiver (sic) than the walk up and pay on the day rake is it?

    I know what you should do, you should start a union for poker players and you then could picket PPP headquarters and go on TV spouting your ill informed and factually incorrect opinions about the event and get paid for it too.

    FFS man! People from PPP are on here saying that this is a cost to them but it comes out of their marketing budget. Do you not believe them?
    The reason they have a marketing budget, and therefore the reason they run events is to help them make bigger profits in their core business.
    Making a profit is not a crime, profits are used to build the business so they can continue employing people and paying their shareholders. That allows those people to pay taxes so that we as a country can have services like schools to educate people. Obviously in the case of some people those schools are not doing a very good job of educating them to the reality of the world around them.
    Thanks for you opinion, suggestions, insults and jibe. Really where do you get off explaining business to me?
    I'm not bitter either, I just don't like the sort of aggressive advertising that PPP employ. I have every right to voice my opinion on that subject.
    And the rake from online was never mentioned here and its a pretty substantial figure I'm sure.
    I believe that they are 'operating at a loss' as far as the IO as an independent once off tournament is concerned, but not when you include all the satellites. These satellites are predominantly online and I would expect that they are considered a serparate entity and not part of the IO budget.


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    #55
    5starpool
    Subscribers Posts: 32,850 ✭✭✭✭5starpool


    Why do people care so much? It's not like you are not used to seeing advertisements on TV?


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    #56
    String_Theory
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2 ✭String_Theory


    I love the way one comment sets off a big conversation about tea and coffee, I was at the open playing and I have to say I didnt have any tea or coffee I feel left out now. One thing I will say is this years open was a 100% better than last years, that irish pub set they build last year was nearly racist against the irish lol.

    The presenters were a lot better this year more natural, that guy DP??????, Sometimes sounds like hes doing a barry white impression and he obviously hasn't a clue about poker, I hate that !!!!! they should use people that actually understand how the game is played and not just repeat what he hears in the toilet.........:D. At least the girl sounded like she knew what she was talking about I think she writes for cardplayer. Beauty and poker smarts she should have done the whole thing. Just a suggestion


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    #57
    BigCityBanker
    Registered Users Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭BigCityBanker


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Thanks for you opinion, suggestions, insults and jibe. Really where do you get off explaining business to me?
    I'm not bitter either, I just don't like the sort of aggressive advertising that PPP employ. I have every right to voice my opinion on that subject.
    And the rake from online was never mentioned here and its a pretty substantial figure I'm sure.
    I believe that they are 'operating at a loss' as far as the IO as an independent once off tournament is concerned, but not when you include all the satellites. These satellites are predominantly online and I would expect that they are considered a serparate entity and not part of the IO budget.

    Im sure there is irony in the above. Good job we dont blow 100k on a promo for our online satellite winners.. oh wait!

    I think its fair to say that EagleEye knows far more than the rest of us and on that basis its a case of realising that you only have so many breaths to breathe in this life and there is little sense wasting them on him.


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    #58
    Dave147
    Registered Users Posts: 3,235 ✭✭✭Dave147


    Enjoyed the show last night, Neil Channing was excellent and very funny, he knows his stuff unlike that DP clown.. Also maybe next year get some eye candy like Shana Hiatt instead of Rebecca McAdam. She ain't great, get her on the radio.


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    #59
    BigCityBanker
    Registered Users Posts: 4,751 ✭✭✭BigCityBanker


    TommyGunne wrote: »
    Is this on pokertube, and if not is it going up, and if so when???

    Yep - we will be getting it up on PokerTube. As it is due to be shown on ITV4 next weekend we will have to wait until after this show each week to get it up on Poker Tube.
    cuterob wrote: »
    where did that presenter pull that accent from?

    from the side of his mouth by the look of it
    strewelpeter wrote: »
    Channing is very good in the commentary box.

    agree, I really like him as a commentator.


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    #60
    Gholimoli
    Registered Users Posts: 3,450 ✭✭✭Gholimoli


    Atari Jaguar FTW...


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    #61
    aodea
    Registered Users Posts: 730 ✭✭✭aodea


    Look Paddy power do a great job promoting the open and running it. Since its sponsership the open has grown hugely which is great for Irish poker. They market it heavily and prob do run it at a loss. The many players they pick up and great exposure they get evens it out. It is win win for irish poker end of.

    Is channing doing the whole lot? he is good at explaining his ideas on hands which i find intresting.


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