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Shame on Tesco - Removing Irish Brands from its Stores

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    #272
    rameire
    Registered Users Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭rameire


    parsi wrote: »
    Why couldn't they sell at that price all along ?

    Tesco Ireland hardly bought Tesco wine from an Irish distributor ..

    .

    youd be surprised the amount of companies who buy their own stock from distributers. i was.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



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    #273
    rameire
    Registered Users Posts: 4,130 ✭✭✭rameire


    gambiaman wrote: »
    NCA Jan 09 price Survey gave Kerrygold 454g @ 2.38e in Tesco, Dunnes and Superquinn.

    I think the sourcing/distributor may be a big factor in the price (as well as supermarkeyts doing what they do to maximise profits)

    Was your Kerrygold the 454g one?? ;-)

    in addition to your evidence.

    superquinn prices
    kerrygold 454g = €2.38
    kerrygold 227g = €1.37

    tesco prices
    kerrygold 454g = €2.38
    kerrygold 227g = €1.37

    cant check dunnes or supervalu, as they have no prices online.
    online prices as of today.

    cannot find the 1.70 for butter as quoted by escobar.

    also escobar you continue to quote an irish times article from february 11th.
    grocery prices are like computer prices, they change all the time.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Split 2.28S, 1.52E. 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



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    #274
    Alfasud
    Registered Users Posts: 108 ✭✭Alfasud


    I used to get Tesco online groceries up to lately but I wont anymore. The online orders are the least fresh,especially the milk. Its like they clearout the leftovers. They should be boycotted after the way they treated the workers recently. The suppliers are treated like dirt. Just look at the profits they make on all of us.


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    #275
    partyatmygaff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,992 ✭✭✭✭partyatmygaff


    Alfasud wrote: »
    I used to get Tesco online groceries up to lately but I wont anymore. The online orders are the least fresh,especially the milk. Its like they clearout the leftovers. They should be boycotted after the way they treated the workers recently. The suppliers are treated like dirt. Just look at the profits they make on all of us.
    Omg, evil tesco making all their profits off of us... Sure what type of charity is allowed make profit?


    :confused:


    Cop on and get to grips with reality, If your gonna be self-righteous and will boycott them by "principal" or whatever excuse I among thousands of others will continue to shop there so I can guarantee tesco wont miss you.


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    #276
    Dellas
    Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Dellas


    The majority of Irish consumers will go where the bargains are. Those that have kids to feed and are watching every cent. Maybe they have lost their jobs or reduced down to 3 day weeks etc..

    All these high ideas of boycotts and Irish produce are all well and good but for the majority they do not pay the bills .


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    #277
    finisklin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭finisklin


    Just wanted to give my tuppence worth.....long term we are all gonna pay for these lower prices. How? The companies/brands whose product prices have been lowered in this cluster of stores have sales, marketing and supply people employed in Ireland to manage this Tesco business.

    Tesco have roughly about 25% of the Irish retail grocery market, potentially these companies may have 25% under utilised resources i.e. no longer working on the Tesco account. What about the transport people/ truck drivers that would have delivered product into the Tesco distribution centre? Then on the Tesco side you have their head office people who would deal with the suppliers on many different levels.

    The overall effect will be job losses and these will be substantial.....this means more people unemployed and claiming benefits. Who ultimately pays these? We the people.....

    If anyone knows whats gonna happen all the Tesco head office people in Dun Laoghaire please fill us in? Redeployed to other departments/ moved to the UK etc.

    On the cheaper substitute products available down South.....I remember the introduction of the biggest tea brand in the world at the time...Liptons tea. It was massively supported with advertising, sampling, leaflets drops etc. It flopped big time and had to be withdrawn. I bet you can guess my age....:rolleyes: Will Irish punters switch just on price and ignore taste, quality, heritage etc.

    It will be interesting to see if Irish punters will actually switch to cheaper unbranded products. All the same massive changes that make shopping for value easier. Have to point out the great deal in Supervalu at the moment....a Pampers box of 88 nappies (Size 4/5 ) is €7.99 a box. That has to be at cost if not below.


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    #278
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,994 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    What I find ironic is that, when I moved here from the UK 20 years ago, it really pissed me off that it cost so much more for groceries (and everything else) than it cost in the UK.

    I never heard anybody complaining about the prices when they visited their local Dunnes, SuperValu or Quinnsworth (wot no Tesco?).

    20 years later, "those British shops are robbing us." :pac:

    I think that everybody must have spent their lives in a coma and only woke up when the recession kicked in. :P


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    #279
    girloperfection
    Closed Accounts Posts: 140 ✭✭girloperfection


    Tesco in Drogheda or Dundalk (not sure which one) have sent a lot of stock to some stores down the south, there is nothing wrong with the stock at all and it is being reduced down to 50% off the original price. Its lots of brands not just Tesco's own brand.


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    #280
    sceptre
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    finisklin wrote: »
    On the cheaper substitute products available down South.....I remember the introduction of the biggest tea brand in the world at the time...Liptons tea. It was massively supported with advertising, sampling, leaflets drops etc. It flopped big time and had to be withdrawn. I bet you can guess my age....:rolleyes: Will Irish punters switch just on price and ignore taste, quality, heritage etc.
    I miss Liptons tea, every time I go where they have it I bring back a box of it. They have an Institute of Tea, you know:)


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    #281
    Jip
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Jip


    escobar wrote: »
    [FONT=&quot]Oooh someone's a little sarky today...

    I'd assume if I said grass was green you'd argue with me about that too.:(

    I'm afraid I'll have to repeat myself again....:(

    It is an indisputable fact that Tesco is the dearest supermarket....as much as you may not want it to be.

    Someones back peddaling. If you said the grass was green I would definately have to check.

    I'm afraid you are not repeating yourself and was you have posted saying it a repeat is not in fact something you already said, to use your phrase you thought was a killer blow, that's is an indusputable fact.

    Try spot the difference
    escobar wrote: »
    The fact is that Tesco already charge more than both Superquinn and Dunnes on all branded goods. This is an indisputable fact .
    escobar wrote: »
    I'm afraid I'll have to repeat myself again....:(

    It is an indisputable fact that Tesco is the dearest supermarket....as much as you may not want it to be.

    Now you whinge and whinge and say you're stuck with the dearest supermarket in Ireland. How the hell are you, are you packed into the back of a blacked out van everytime someone spots you leave the house with shopping bags and shipped off to Tescos ? Despite some people thinking this may be true you aren't, just go elsewhere. If you still don't after all your posts on this thread, you're a fool.
    tech2 wrote: »
    They wont probably. It all about their business at the end of the day and people far from the border wouldnt be a threat to them unless they was a retailer nearby such as dunnes offering less for a product.

    They plan to depending on how the border area goes, when is another thing.
    hellboy99 wrote: »
    Higher costs here are a factor but then you have to look at the fact that how all of a sudden they can drop their prices now and if all goes well it will be applied to all their stores here in the south, why didn't they do this last year :rolleyes:

    Because they hadn't restructured their supply chain at that time. People were willing to but items at the prices they were at at the time, same in every other store in the country. Along came the recession and a good exchange rate on sterling so people headed north so the company had to do something about it. Why would any company out to make a profit for it's shareholders not maximise that ?

    The question you should be asking is now why aren't the rest of the supermarkets following suit ?

    Do people simply not read news articles or listen to radio interviews ?

    Alfasud wrote: »
    I used to get Tesco online groceries up to lately but I wont anymore. The online orders are the least fresh,especially the milk. Its like they clearout the leftovers. They should be boycotted after the way they treated the workers recently. The suppliers are treated like dirt. Just look at the profits they make on all of us.

    Oh, so you're the one with the details of the Irish profits ? I thought someone must have them considering the amount of people telling us to look at their Irish profits considering Tesco don't release them, nor Dunnes nor Lidl nor Aldi etc etc

    finisklin wrote: »
    What about the transport people/ truck drivers that would have delivered product into the Tesco distribution centre? Then on the Tesco side you have their head office people who would deal with the suppliers on many different levels.

    The overall effect will be job losses and these will be substantial.....this means more people unemployed and claiming benefits. Who ultimately pays these? We the people.....

    If anyone knows whats gonna happen all the Tesco head office people in Dun Laoghaire please fill us in? Redeployed to other departments/ moved to the UK etc.

    Mmm, the food still has to get to the distribution centre and from there to the stores and the company still had to be run by somebody, what do you think, they're going to close head office and run it from the UK ? Think before you post.


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    #282
    parsi
    Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    Boston wrote: »
    What makes you say that?

    In my innocence I figure it's unlikely that Mr. Tesco-HQ is buying 350,000l of Vino from Mr. Vineyard-Owner, paying him to bottle and label it with a standard Tesco Finest label and then shipping a chunk of it to Tesco-UK and selling another batch to an independent Irish company for onward resale to Tesco-Ireland.

    If they were doing it it's because they were stupid or it was cost-effective. I'd tend to think it was the latter.


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    #283
    10000maniacs
    Registered Users Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭10000maniacs


    finisklin wrote: »
    long term we are all gonna pay for these lower prices

    Well this is the legacy of Irish Farmers and suppliers pitching the highest food prices in the western hemisphere for the last 10 years.
    Tesco are right.


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    #284
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    From IT http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0506/1224245992845.html
    It is telling that in the tea aisle, which last weekend would have largely been the preserve of the two main players in the Irish market, Barry’s and Lyons, there has been a sudden proliferation of unfamiliar British brands including Tetley’s, PG Tips and Yorkshire Tea. “Finally, I will be able to get Punjani tea in Ireland,” one Tesco executive was overheard saying to a colleague before the store opened its doors to the public. Irish tea drinkers, who are fiercely loyal tea-drinkers, are unlikely to be so pleased.

    You have to laugh, I know every country has its Little (insert nationality here) but I suspect most peeps have heard of Tetleys and PG Tips, if this switch means more brands to choose from rather than a local stitch up of overprices famous names then this is progress.


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    #285
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,994 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    mike65 wrote: »
    From IT http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0506/1224245992845.html



    You have to laugh, I know every country has its Little (insert nationality here) but I suspect most peeps have heard of Tetleys and PG Tips, if this switch means more brands to choose from rather than a local stitch up of overprices famous names then this is progress.

    Although some might think that Tetley Tea is really beer. As for Lyons and PG Tips - aren't they both owned by Unilever?


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    #286
    Famous45
    Closed Accounts Posts: 732 ✭✭✭Famous45


    I said earlier I'd report back so here it is:

    Went to Tesco in Drogheda yesterday and was delighted to see some of the changes. Drink wasn't affected really at all, a euro off here or there but nothing that would cause me to buy.

    But I think my days shopping in the north will be few and far between and I've been raving about shopping down there ever since I started months ago. The hair product I use which was €6.30+ here was €3.30+ in NI, now it's only €3.10 in Tesco, half the price it was, Andrex Quilts were €8.69 in NI they were €5.50+, now €6.30 in Tesco. Other hair products that my partner uses were 2-3 euro down in price and on a par with Sainsburys. Toothpaste, tablets and that actually cheaper than NI. Ceasar Salad used to be €3.25 comapared to £2 in Sainsburys now only €2 in Tesco. Peppers, grapes, pineapple all cheaper than Sainsbury's. I didn't price Lamb or other meat products, I think i'll continue to buy my Lamb in Newry in future as it's pretty delicious and the price is spot on.

    After my trip to Tesco I went to Tesco's in Banbridge as I thought there was a £7 deal on the booze which I seen on tv, to my dismay it ended on the 4th May, anyway managed to pick up 40 bottles of Bud for €27 which wasn't too bad. Looked at the prices there compared to Drogheda and most things were only 10-20c cheaper and given the extra vat here it prob works out the same pretty much.

    Overall, the difference on items is very little, for what I buy anyway, and considering we prob spend in access of €15 on petrol every week to go shopping in NI plus the few hours of travel, I think shopping in Tesco in Drogheda will even itself out from now onwards.

    Thumbs up to Tesco!!


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    #287
    mike65
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88,978 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    ejmaztec wrote: »
    Although some might think that Tetley Tea is really beer. As for Lyons and PG Tips - aren't they both owned by Unilever?

    Yep, Lyons was bought in 1996.


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    #288
    darc
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    mike65 wrote: »
    Yep, Lyons was bought in 1996.

    and production of Lyons was moved oput of Ireland a few years ago.


    Still no info on any Irish brands being removed as per the OP. - Statement from tesco categorically stated that NO irish produced goods would be replaced by imported goods.


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    #289
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,994 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    I'd say that the vast majority of all of these "popular" brands are owned by the likes of Unilever and other huge conglomerates around the world, and the marketing guys give everyone the impression that the goods are still knocked together in some tumbledown, family-run business around the corner.


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    #290
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,994 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    darc wrote: »
    and production of Lyons was moved oput of Ireland a few years ago.

    Even that supposedly "Irish" company was an offshoot of a UK venture set up by Nigella Lawson's ancestors.


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    #291
    rubadub
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    Just re-read the OP's first post
    He seems to got the news story accurate

    Well done OP, shame on the rest of ye!
    Yes, people should be ashamed for not believing everything they hear, hopefully they will learn to be more gullible in the future.

    It seems his story was skewed just as the media also skewed it, whatever sells papers I suppose. Making it appear like some anti-Irish move, singling out Irish products for no other reason than them being irish.

    The real story is that Tescos stock profitable items, any shop with sense does this. The other real story which is apparent is that Irish produce is simply not that competitive.
    darc wrote: »
    Still no info on any Irish brands being removed as per the OP.
    There might have been some gone since he posted, it is not really big news, my local tesco has brands come and go all the time, as does my supervalu, eurospar, lidl & dunnes. Nothing shocking about that. The dunnes near me brought in a Polish section last year, there was food there before on those shelves, and shock-horror I expect some of it was Irish produce, which that evil Irish-hating Ben Dunne saw fit to remove, SHAME ON HIM :rolleyes:


    escobar wrote: »
    The fact is that Tesco already charge more than both Superquinn and Dunnes on all branded goods. This is an indisputable fact .
    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...breaking45.htm
    I already did dispute it.
    rubadub wrote: »
    I also find tesco seem to have more offers on branded stuff, I never really shop with a list so take advantage of these offers, many are phoney offers (i.e. was €5, now €4.95), you just have to watch out. Many of these surveys specifically ignore offers as a rule, that is certainly not the way I shop.
    The real news was there was feck all difference in price,
    he difference between the cheapest and dearest basket was €3.60 or 1.2 per cent
    it could well be cheaper now and there was no details given on what they were, and I expect they did ignore offers. You said they charge more on ALL branded goods, which is inferring every single item is cheaper elsewhere.


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    #292
    Jip
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Jip


    rubadub wrote: »
    You said they charge more on ALL branded goods, which is inferring every single item is cheaper elsewhere.

    He did indeed, and then reposted what he claimed he had already posted with that 'indisputable fact' mysteriously removed second time around


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    #293
    parsi
    Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    I don't have a problem with Tesco doing this.

    They are a business. They exist to make money. They may be incompetent in a lot of areas - stock control, price-checking, premises quality, customer service, but yet they make a fortune.

    It's up to the consumer to vote with their feet and go somewhere else if they wish to buy Irish/local/specialist products. Maybe we have to go back to the days of going to a number of shops to get our requirements.

    What I have a problem with is the almost universal acceptance that this latest step is being taken to help the consumer.

    Whatever Tesco/Dunnes/SuperWalu do is done in order to increase profits and not because they're Irish or becauise every little helps (I hate that slogan).


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    Jip
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Jip


    I don't think there is a universal acceptance that this is for the consumer, many of us have said a few times that the company is out to make a profit and it's perfectably acceptable if they do. People were happy to pay the old prices before the recession/sterling devaluation and now they're reducing their prices to retain their customer base. Simple business really.


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    #295
    parsi
    Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi


    Jip wrote: »
    I don't think there is a universal acceptance

    I mean in the wider / media world - not the robust discussion of Boards where we can set records straight.


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    #296
    finisklin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭finisklin


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by finisklin viewpost.gif
    What about the transport people/ truck drivers that would have delivered product into the Tesco distribution centre? Then on the Tesco side you have their head office people who would deal with the suppliers on many different levels.

    The overall effect will be job losses and these will be substantial.....this means more people unemployed and claiming benefits. Who ultimately pays these? We the people.....

    If anyone knows whats gonna happen all the Tesco head office people in Dun Laoghaire please fill us in? Redeployed to other departments/ moved to the UK etc.

    Mmm, the food still has to get to the distribution centre and from there to the stores and the company still had to be run by somebody, what do you think, they're going to close head office and run it from the UK ? Think before you post.

    I can see where your coming from however your rationale is incomplete......what about the Irish based suppliers who previous delivered into the Tesco DC from warehouses all over Ireland. Those drivers/warehouses will be affected.

    Also, keep an open mind as if Tesco are as sharp as they indicate there is no reason why they wont be delivering from UK based DCs in the future, direct into their Irish stores. I would imagine this would be with UK based hauliers. It's not as clear a picture as it appears......

    What about the head office people who deal with irish suppliers on a daily basis......their seats must be getting hot!

    IMO what will happen is that Irish based multinationals/ suppliers will reduce their terms in line with the UK. I think Dunnes, Musgraves response will be interesting...will they focus on the Irishness and drive this as a key point of difference? Not sure if punters are bothered, its about price so they will have to meet in the middle. It's a testing time for retailers and punters and people want value, as reflected by the copious posts here.

    Superquinn response is to drop the prices of leading Irish brands (tayto, chivers, roma) by 15% in a Irish favourites campaign may be a little too late to save them.

    I wonder how soon will it be before we see Tesco go head to head with Aldi and Lidl in an all out price war to claim the title of Ireland's biggest discounter.....now that will be where we will see real price cuts and value. Probably within the next six months....maybe in line with December's budget?


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    #297
    Jip
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,418 ✭✭✭Jip


    finisklin wrote: »
    Also, keep an open mind as if Tesco are as sharp as they indicate there is no reason why they wont be delivering from UK based DCs in the future, direct into their Irish stores. I would imagine this would be with UK based hauliers. It's not as clear a picture as it appears......


    I suppose there's a few reasons, the main one, and most sensible one, being that it makes a alot of commercial and financial sense to have goods delivered from a DC in Ireland so that stores can be stocked up as needed. If they were to be stocked directly from the UK there'd be severe supply issues due to the time taken.

    And the other is that they just spent millions on distribution centres in Ireland, something I doubt they want to write-off so soon.

    If Dunnes did have sense they could exagerate their Irishness to try hit Tesco but in the end money talks. But the problem is is that Dunnes is no different than Tesco in terms of looking for the cheapest source, they have no loyalty to Ireland, just look at what happened to Nevilles Bakery. Not only was this company Irish, it was also somehow family related. And then they done the same with Whelans. They displayed utter ruthlessness to both these Irish firms.


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    snubbleste
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    finisklin wrote: »
    ...<<< I wonder how soon will it be before we see Tesco go head to head with Aldi and Lidl in an all out price war to claim the title of Ireland's biggest discounter.....now that will be where we will see real price cuts and value. Probably within the next six months....maybe in line with December's budget?

    Em Tesco have been advertising that they are Ireland's biggest discounter for the last 6 months or more


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    finisklin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭finisklin


    Today 14:52snubblesteQuote:
    Originally Posted by finisklin viewpost.gif
    ...<<< I wonder how soon will it be before we see Tesco go head to head with Aldi and Lidl in an all out price war to claim the title of Ireland's biggest discounter.....now that will be where we will see real price cuts and value. Probably within the next six months....maybe in line with December's budget?

    Em Tesco have been advertising that they are Ireland's biggest discounter for the last 6 months or more
    One thing saying it and another preaching it.....it will be a blood bath when it happens.....they will probably pick key value items like milk and bread and slash them in direct comparision with Lidl and Aldi....thats when it will get bitter and twisted.


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    Dellas
    Registered Users Posts: 796 ✭✭✭Dellas


    There is now an Advert for Tesco on one of the bridges before you cross the border on the motorway. It has two shopping trolleys one shows how much it cost before the changes and it was €135 and the second shows how much after their recent changes and now its €94 .


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    scruff murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 48 ✭scruff murphy


    Today 21:44With all this talk of Tesco etc, did you all realise that you can still maintain the table you have become accustomed to very easily by shopping around. Heres an instance;
    say your kids are used to shopbought filled rolls every day for lunch, but the purse strings are tight, go to Lidl, where, for 74c, you can buy a partbaked 4 pack of rolls, and a delecious packaged ham called Dulano for around 3euro, and its a generous amount of ham, I might add. Get up 10 mins earlier every morning, bung the rolls in the oven for 8 mins, and your kids have gorgeous fresh rolls with ham for a fraction ofthe cost and calories. Just thought Id share that with some of the nasties who sent me private messages telling me I was a moan!
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