TV's with MPEG4 DTT decoder

John Dough · 08-04-2009 11:57AM

Peneau one question if you are on cable in the Dublin area these Panasonics will not suit you.

My suggestion is go for the Sony models L or W/V depending on your budget as all the latest Sonys in this range have a Mpeg 4 decoder built in are suitable for cable or aerial and the power consumption is much lower than the plasmas as well.Pictures are awesome even at 576i on cable.Blue ray on 1080P will knock your socks off!!!

Forgot to mention the FTA cable channels on the Sonys are FREE when you pay for analogue package.
Handy to have if you ever get cable as none of the plasmas have that facility .In addition nearly all manufacturers are phasing out Plasma sets with only 10% of sales in the U.K. last year and huge improvements in LCD technolgy make them a safe choice. My HD trial box gives a great picture on the trial ATM but I am hopefull we will get full HD when services start soon. If you want 1080P from satellite wait a few months as those boxes have just gone on sale but needless to say not from Sly yet.

peneau · 08-04-2009 04:02PM

Hi JohnD, thanks for that, I have a free to air system so no cable TV worries there.

I'm still open to suggestions so thanks for suggesting those sets, I'll put them on my short list.

patrick whitty · 08-04-2009 06:03PM

i was in aldi to day and they have a 32" tele with dvb-t freeview has anybody got one and does it receive rte digital (dtt)
patrick

patrick whitty · 08-04-2009 06:05PM

i forgot to say price is only 499e.
patrick

watty · 08-04-2009 07:08PM

Probably not.

STB · 08-04-2009 07:53PM

John Dough wrote: »

Peneau one question if you are on cable in the Dublin area these panasonics will not suit you.

My suggestion is go for the Sony models L or w/V depending on your budget as all the latest Sonys in this range have a Mpeg 4 decoder built in are suitable for cable or aerial and the power consumption is much lower than the plasmas as well.Pictures are awesome even at 576i on cable.Blue ray on 1080P will knock your socks off!!!

Why would anyone in there right mind after buying one of these HD FTA satellite and Free to Air Digital TVs want to connect and pay for cable tv ? John are you working for NTL by any chance

And even if they did, NTL supply the box anyhow! Analogue cable is practically dead. The quality difference between something that is free and subscription cable tv is immense. Most people would presume that the one you are paying for is the one I am referring to as being better quality. I'm not though. The sat and dtt is miles ahead of wattery pay cable, most channels of which are FTA on satellite.

Go with the panasonic peneau, be quick as they panasonic are replacing them with a new and quite similar yet more expensive model.

Ship it in. Its cheaper than buying here. Not that you would get one here anyhow......Your biggest problem might be finding a room big enough to put it in.:)

Patrick, run a mile from anything that is labelled as freeview in Ireland. They shouldnt be sold here anyhow. Not suitable for cable OR free dtt. They might as well not have tuners in them at all.

micratoyota · 08-04-2009 07:54PM

John Dough wrote: »

Peneau one question if you are on cable in the Dublin area these panasonics will not suit you.

My suggestion is go for the Sony models L or w/V depending on your budget as all the latest Sonys in this range have a Mpeg 4 decoder built in are suitable for cable or aerial and the power consumption is much lower than the plasmas as well.Pictures are awesome even at 576i on cable.Blue ray on 1080P will knock your socks off!!!

Hi Can anybody tell me what is the difference between 4mpeg and 2 mpeg except that with 2mpeg you would have to get a separate set top box to receive RTE 1,2,4,tv3. To pay up to €200 extra or more for 4mpeg seems crazy if there is no other difference.: I am on free to air satellite with rte's coming from an old chorus connection, but am willing to put up roof top aerial.

John Dough · 08-04-2009 08:22PM

patrick whitty wrote: »

i was in aldi to day and they have a 32" tele with dvb-t freeview has anybody got one and does it receive rte digital (dtt)
patrick

Short answer is no mate .

John Dough · 08-04-2009 08:28PM

STB wrote: »

Why would anyone in there right mind after buying one of these HD FTA satellite and Free to Air Digital TVs want to connect and pay for cable tv ? John are you working for NTL by any chance

And even if they did, NTL supply the box anyhow! Analogue cable is practically dead. The quality difference between something that is free and subscription cable tv is immense. Most people would presume that the one you are paying for is the one I am referring to as being better quality. I'm not though. The sat and dtt is miles ahead of wattery pay cable, most channels of which are FTA on satellite.

Go with the panasonic peneau, be quick as they panasonic are replacing them with a new and quite similar yet more expensive model.

Ship it in. Its cheaper than buying here. Not that you would get one here anyhow......Your biggest problem might be finding a room big enough to put it in.:)

Patrick, run a mile from anything that is labelled as freeview in Ireland. They shouldnt be sold here anyhow. Not suitable for cable OR free dtt. They might as well not have tuners in them at all.

STB no way my friend I just happen to have NTL supplied in my s/hand house and they have never even sent me a bill!!!
My everyday viewing is 90% Satellite FTA and diablo thank god.:D;)

patrick whitty · 08-04-2009 08:43PM

kompleat has a 32" lg with built in mpeg4 tuner has anybody got one.model lcd3000. price 443e.
patrick

byrnefm · 08-04-2009 10:29PM

Received a flyer this evening at my house about Euronics who sell electrical goods - and advertise some of the Samsung TVs as having MPEG-4 built in and it mentions that those TVs are ready to receive Irish DTT broadcasts. First such claims I've seen in any advertisements!

peneau · 08-04-2009 10:46PM

STB wrote: »

Go with the panasonic peneau, be quick as they panasonic are replacing them with a new and quite similar yet more expensive model.

Ship it in. Its cheaper than buying here. Not that you would get one here anyhow......Your biggest problem might be finding a room big enough to put it in.:)

Thanks for that STB, will start my web scouring now for a UK site that will ship cross channel, the spec on the Panasonic is very seductive not to mention the price.

Thanks again

steveq · 09-04-2009 10:22AM

STB is giving you good advice. I bought a Panasonic (32" Full HD LCD) which has Freesat and an MPEG4 tuners. It is excellent. Panasonic (both LCD and Plasma) are top of the Best Buy list with Which and others.
I got it from Samsyerman in Belfast. Their price and delivery charges were significantly cheaper than from British based shops.

I have also recently bought a Panasonic LCD with an MPEG4 tuner from Pixmania. They are French based (I think) and so many of their TVs have MPEG4 tuners. Look for "TNT HD" in their description. Again, their delivery charge was cheaper than British based shops.

I have no links to either shops -- just a satisfied customer.

John Dough · 09-04-2009 10:55AM

peneau wrote: »

STB wrote: »

Go with the panasonic peneau, be quick as they panasonic are replacing them with a new and quite similar yet more expensive model.

Ship it in. Its cheaper than buying here. Not that you would get one here anyhow......Your biggest problem might be finding a room big enough to put it in.:)

Thanks for that STB, will start my web scouring now for a UK site that will ship cross channel, the spec on the Panasonic is very seductive not to mention the price.

Thanks again

Try www.laptopsdirect.ie they are cheap and carriage for a 40" tv is £50.

peneau · 09-04-2009 11:20AM

Thanks for that Steve and JD.

byrnefm · 09-04-2009 06:03PM

byrnefm wrote: »

Received a flyer this evening at my house about Euronics who sell electrical goods - and advertise some of the Samsung TVs as having MPEG-4 built in and it mentions that those TVs are ready to receive Irish DTT broadcasts. First such claims I've seen in any advertisements!

OK, I called up two dealers who deal with Eurosonics in Donegal. My local one said he's sold out already of this Samsung 40":
"New 2009 Model"
"Full HD 1080p LCD TV in stylish new "Crystal TV" Platinum Black finish ... MPEG 4 Tuner for future Irish digital broadcasts"

I asked for a model number: I was told it's a Samsung Series 4D, the D being the 2009 model differentiator. I can't find *anything* on the web regarding such a series, nor am I near enough the store in question to find out. The regular Series 4 don't have MPEG-4 - is this a new series modified just for MPEG-4 usage countries?

Richersounds.ie: John · 10-04-2009 07:45PM

STB,

thanks for the reply and apologies for the delay in my reply.

Declared interest here - I sell TV's - so I won't post any pricing here as I don't want to be seen to be punting for business - but in answer to your query STB we are finally seeing some MPEG4 models through via Irish distribution, specifically as you asked about Philips models we now have instore the 37 and 42 inch Aurea the very yummy 52PFL7203H and the even yummier 42PES0001 H (The Essence) which is receiving rave reviews and the 32PFL9613H.

However as ever the issue with smaller screen and budget H/MPEG4 models is still there - I do understand that there is shedloads of MPEG4 available in Europe, but not via UK/Irish distributors - however again with Philips it's improving and here is a (not exhaustive) list of what's due in within the next 8 weeks.

32PFL5604H - Due April/Early May
32PFL7404H - Due June
32PFL8404H - Due May
32PFL9604H - Due May
37PFL5604H - Due June
37PFL9604h - Due May
42PFL5604H - Due April
42PFL7404H - Due April
42PFL8404H - Have to wait 'till June!
42PFL9664H - June again

42PFL9704H - July

:(
42PFL9903H - Available now
47PFL5604H - Available late April

And finally the weird and honestly wonderful 21:9 oddity the 56PFL9954H which we will see in about 6 weeks I think and we are trying to arrange an exclusive boardies launch night in The Philips Shop to give Boardies a chance to be the 1st punters in Ireland to see this amazing/weird/stunning TV/oddity!

Anyway - hopefully that answers the query - things are improving (a little and gradually) and at least I can cheerfully report that the awareness from Customers is really improving which is great - however again the amount of information in the trade and public domain in my opinion is dreadful given how close to the proposed launch date we are!

At least we can rely on Boards - it does seem the be the best portal for information around at the moment - can we charge the dept of comms for the service??:pac:

ATB and thanks again

John Mc

TVDX · 11-04-2009 02:33AM

byrnefm wrote: »

OK, I called up two dealers who deal with Eurosonics in Donegal. My local one said he's sold out already of this Samsung 40":
"New 2009 Model"
"Full HD 1080p LCD TV in stylish new "Crystal TV" Platinum Black finish ... MPEG 4 Tuner for future Irish digital broadcasts"

I asked for a model number: I was told it's a Samsung Series 4D, the D being the 2009 model differentiator. I can't find *anything* on the web regarding such a series, nor am I near enough the store in question to find out. The regular Series 4 don't have MPEG-4 - is this a new series modified just for MPEG-4 usage countries?

I'm in the exact same boat as you on this.
My local euronics haven't got them yet.
I think it's this with MPEG 4 variation for us and France.

https://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?SAM-40B702

mickeyboymel · 11-04-2009 10:37PM

Noticed Harvey Normans have a number of LG & Bravia TV's sporting a sticker with "Freeview,TNT,Boxer" compatiable with the various logos. The usually misinformed staff assured me they were fully ready for the new Terrestrial digital services which was a pleasent change of policy as the last time I enquired re MPEG4 sets it drew blank expressions. I must get the exact model numbers and post them here.

magher · 12-04-2009 06:02PM

Thinking of getting this tv from pixmania
I belive its mpeg4? yes?

Anyone have this tv, has it got good reviews?

http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/1099344/art/sony/bravia-kdl-26v4500-lcd-te.html

Zonda999 · 12-04-2009 07:23PM

magher wrote: »

Thinking of getting this tv from pixmania
I belive its mpeg4? yes?

Anyone have this tv, has it got good reviews?

http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/1099344/art/sony/bravia-kdl-26v4500-lcd-te.html

Yep, that'll definitely pick up Irish DTT

podgeandrodge · 13-04-2009 03:15PM

mickeyboymel wrote: »

Noticed Harvey Normans have a number of LG & Bravia TV's sporting a sticker with "Freeview,TNT,Boxer" compatiable with the various logos. The usually misinformed staff assured me they were fully ready for the new Terrestrial digital services which was a pleasent change of policy as the last time I enquired re MPEG4 sets it drew blank expressions. I must get the exact model numbers and post them here.

If u see a TNT sticker make sure it saws TNTHD. I would not trust harvey at all.

ei9go · 14-04-2009 11:29AM

There was a bargain alert this morning for a tv on Argos and I was surprised to see this on the bottom of the page.

"Please note that the Digital (Freeview) features mentioned are not compatible with digital signals broadcast in the Republic of Ireland."

It's even the same on the Uk site.

aldente · 15-04-2009 12:02AM

I came across something interesting someone mentioned in a forum (sorry I do not remember which) regarding the recent confusion over MPEG4 on Bravia.

He/she said that because Sony manufactured a model for various countries, they highlighted or masked different features in brochures and user manuals to suit the market. I think it has a point.

Recent Bravia models in the W, V, Z ranges for example state that they have a video decoder capable of handling MPEG2 AND MPEG4 in the specifications page of the user manuals, which can be downloaded from the Irish website. This is how I found a model with MPEG4 decoder prior to purchase.

However, probably because our market is smaller than the others, their Irish website seems to be simply propagated from the UK site with changes in currency and some local information. As a result, the television specs between these markets are not clearly marketed.

Forget the Sony's poor quality of customer service, I am only guessing here the reason the manufacturers has remained hesitent or discreet for our market may be partly due to the weak initiative not widely displayed by the Irish regulator that can make ourselves a "MPEG4 DTT" logo equivelant to those seen in other European countries like France's TNT (MPEG4), UK's Freeview (MPEG2), etc.

Perhaps it may make no legal sense prior to official introduction of MPEG4 DTT though. Has anyone seen a logo for the Irish DTT? If so, what is it called? Of course the regulator should not be seen or acting as a proxy salesman for TV manufacturers, but has a primary role to provide the general public with clear guidance in the switch-over project.

mickeyboymel · 15-04-2009 12:22AM

aldente wrote: »

Has anyone seen a logo for the Irish DTT? If so, what is it called? Of course the regulator should not be seen or acting as a proxy salesman for TV manufacturers, but has a primary role to provide the general public with clear guidance in the switch-over project.

The Bravia And LG Models I saw in Harvey Normans have the Boxer logo on the a sticker on the front (as well as TNT and some other operators). I will get the specs and a pic of the sticker tomorrow

The Cush · 15-04-2009 08:27AM

mickeyboymel wrote: »

The Bravia And LG Models I saw in Harvey Normans have the Boxer logo on the a sticker on the front (as well as TNT and some other operators). I will get the specs and a pic of the sticker tomorrow

No Irish DTT logo yet. The Boxer logo you refer to is Boxer TV Access Sweden (Sweden was the second country to launch DTT in Europe (1999) after the UK 1998).
It uses the MPEG-2 standard but is in transition to DVB-T/MPEG-4. Swedish Mux 6 will launch this year and will be MPEG-4 only. Since April 1 2008 Boxer Sweden, which is also responsible for approving devices to use on the Swedish network, no longer accepts MPEG-2 only receivers for test and approval.
I don't think there is a different Boxer Sweden logo for MPEG-4 products so it may be best avoided unless the French MPEG-4 logo -TNTHD is there also.

emaherx · 16-04-2009 09:39AM

byrnefm wrote: »

OK, I called up two dealers who deal with Eurosonics in Donegal. My local one said he's sold out already of this Samsung 40":
"New 2009 Model"
"Full HD 1080p LCD TV in stylish new "Crystal TV" Platinum Black finish ... MPEG 4 Tuner for future Irish digital broadcasts"

I asked for a model number: I was told it's a Samsung Series 4D, the D being the 2009 model differentiator. I can't find *anything* on the web regarding such a series, nor am I near enough the store in question to find out. The regular Series 4 don't have MPEG-4 - is this a new series modified just for MPEG-4 usage countries?

I bought a series 4 in Powercity yestaerday and can confirm that it has an MPEG4 tuner. The EPG is currently not working although I think it has MHEG5. All 4 channels come in crystal clear.

Model: PS42B451B1W

patrick whitty · 16-04-2009 10:22AM

good on you.
patrick

Zonda999 · 16-04-2009 02:33PM

emaherx wrote: »

I bought a series 4 in Powercity yestaerday and can confirm that it has an MPEG4 tuner. The EPG is currently not working although I think it has MHEG5. All 4 channels come in crystal clear.

Model: PS42B451B1W

Theres a B in the model number so its a 2009 model. It looks as if all 2009 Samsung models have a DTT tuner, which is good!

magher · 17-04-2009 06:15PM

Zonda999 wrote: »

Yep, that'll definitely pick up Irish DTT

Just got sony bravia from pixmania today, picking up mpeg4 dtt and full epg and teletext.

Although I have to say the picture is quite blocky , its seems to be using a low bitrate, this is from claremount carn by the way.

Is the bitrate to be increased soon?

TV's with MPEG4 DTT decoder

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