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  • #332
    Rented Mule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,154 ✭✭✭Rented Mule


    ^^^^^^^^^

    On the same note, a newspaper in Australia was comparing the Irish immigrants there to the Polish 'invasion' of Western European countries.

    Irony can be so ironic at times.


  • #333
    beth-lou
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭beth-lou


    Some of the views expressed in this thread are very disturbing.
    The lack of common decencey, compassion and empathy is frightening.
    The ease with which racist and bigoted opinions are thrown out and each of you congratulate yourselves on your pathetic attempts at humour is dis heartening.

    Nothing has been proven with regard to the stats released by the Nigerian government or by the doctor in question. It is just as probable that the government of Nigeria are trying to protect their reputation and are trying to make this woman out to be a liar to do so.

    The fact of the matter is that Female Genital Mutilation does happen and is extremely common in Nigeria and other African states. It is done to remove any sexual pleasure for a woman during sex, making it less likely that she will be unfaithful. It causes a lot of problems for women in childbirth adn has led to a lot of deaths of both mothers and babies because it is so badly done. Not to mention the amount of children who die due to infection post mutilation. It is not a con or bull made up. Please do a little bit of research on the subject before you make yourself out to be such a moron Degsey.

    This is a sad side to Ireland, that you would treat such a serious issue with gloat and glee. Frankly, some of you make me embarassed to be Irish, and it seems to be becoming more and more prevalant in After Hours. It's a disgrace.


  • #334
    Irlbo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭Irlbo


    Rented Mule wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^

    On the same note, a newspaper in Australia was comparing the Irish immigrants there to the Polish 'invasion' of Western European countries.

    Irony can be so ironic at times.

    This seems to be the main argument for the pro-immigration camp,if not the only argument,'but the Irish emigrated when times were tough',yes that is correct,but the difference is,as a whole the Irish worked damn hard,building an infrastructure for countries like the US,England and Australia,and in return they were paid a pittance,and treated like dogs(hence the signs on shops all over England:no dogs blacks or Irishmen),but after years and generations of Irish settling abroad,they have benefitted greatly to these societies and have earned their place there........................................................but in comparison what we see with the likes of Immigrants and asylum seekers here,alot seem to see Ireland as their meal ticket and are only here to abuse and exploit,yeah the Irish emmigrated but at least they worked hard and earned their citizenship especially in the US and England


  • #335
    Dublin1600
    Closed Accounts Posts: 62 ✭✭Dublin1600


    beth-lou wrote: »
    Nothing has been proven with regard to the stats released by the Nigerian government or by the doctor in question. It is just as probable that the government of Nigeria are trying to protect their reputation and are trying to make this woman out to be a liar to do so.

    Pamela Izevbekhai's lawyers are seeking the supreme courts permission to withdraw from the case. I think such an action would only taken in an extreme case. Her own lawyers have lost creditibility in this woman.

    "LAWYERS FOR asylum seekers Pamela Izevbekhai and her two daughters are to seek the Supreme Court’s permission to withdraw from the case, it was confirmed last night.

    Sources said this was because the legal team felt it was not tenable for them to be party to an action based on a fraudulent document."

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0331/1224243731722.html


  • #336
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,078 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    beth-lou wrote: »
    Some of the views expressed in this thread are very disturbing.
    The lack of common decencey, compassion and empathy is frightening.
    The ease with which racist and bigoted opinions are thrown out and each of you congratulate yourselves on your pathetic attempts at humour is dis heartening.

    Nothing has been proven with regard to the stats released by the Nigerian government or by the doctor in question. It is just as probable that the government of Nigeria are trying to protect their reputation and are trying to make this woman out to be a liar to do so.

    The fact of the matter is that Female Genital Mutilation does happen and is extremely common in Nigeria and other African states. It is done to remove any sexual pleasure for a woman during sex, making it less likely that she will be unfaithful. It causes a lot of problems for women in childbirth adn has led to a lot of deaths of both mothers and babies because it is so badly done. Not to mention the amount of children who die due to infection post mutilation. It is not a con or bull made up. Please do a little bit of research on the subject before you make yourself out to be such a moron Degsey.

    This is a sad side to Ireland, that you would treat such a serious issue with gloat and glee. Frankly, some of you make me embarassed to be Irish, and it seems to be becoming more and more prevalant in After Hours. It's a disgrace.

    Pamela had her day(s) in court and was treated extremely well
    by the Irish people.

    How can you say what you say t just because folks see a problem with
    a possible scam, that they are then bigoted and non empathetic?

    I am as merciful and compassionate as the next person, but surely
    a line has to be drawn and a country must have some law
    and order and rules. Are we simply to accept any old sob
    story and allow the country to be exploited by everyone?

    This case would have been sorted out far quicker in many many
    other countries, including Nigeria, yet the Iris are lacking empathy
    and compassion? Strange view is this!


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  • #337
    Victor_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Victor_M


    Irlbo wrote: »
    This seems to be the main argument for the pro-immigration camp,if not the only argument,'but the Irish emigrated when times were tough',yes that is correct,but the difference is,as a whole the Irish worked damn hard,building an infrastructure for countries like the US,England and Australia,and in return they were paid a pittance,and treated like dogs(hence the signs on shops all over England:no dogs blacks or Irishmen),but after years and generations of Irish settling abroad,they have benefitted greatly to these societies and have earned their place there........................................................but in comparison we'll see with the likes of Immigrants and asylum seekers here,alot seem to see Ireland as there meal ticket and are only here to abuse and exploit,yeah the Irish emmigrated but at least they worked hard and earned their citizenship especially in the US and England

    Well said.
    No right minded people have a problem with anyone trying to make a better life for themselves and their family. The difference between the Irish and Nigerians has always been our willingness to work, and work damn hard, an attitude which is sorely missing from a lot of our Asylum seeking/ arm chancing/ hand out/ I know my rights lazy fraudsters from Nigeria.

    @beth-lou Why do you think this thread is focusing solely on Nigerians, not the Sudanese, or any other African countries whose residents are in severe need of help? FMG is a small part of Nigerian culture used as an excuse by a large part of the Asylum seeking population, as it's pretty much the only bad thing that happens in Nigeria that falls under the right to Asylum act. Seriously - Get real, give the blinkered lefty approach a break and have a read of this thread fully.


  • #338
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,078 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    beth-lou wrote: »
    Some of the views expressed in this thread are very disturbing.
    The lack of common decencey, compassion and empathy is frightening.
    The ease with which racist and bigoted opinions are thrown out and each of you congratulate yourselves on your pathetic attempts at humour is dis heartening.

    Nothing has been proven with regard to the stats released by the Nigerian government or by the doctor in question. It is just as probable that the government of Nigeria are trying to protect their reputation and are trying to make this woman out to be a liar to do so.

    The fact of the matter is that Female Genital Mutilation does happen and is extremely common in Nigeria and other African states. It is done to remove any sexual pleasure for a woman during sex, making it less likely that she will be unfaithful. It causes a lot of problems for women in childbirth adn has led to a lot of deaths of both mothers and babies because it is so badly done. Not to mention the amount of children who die due to infection post mutilation. It is not a con or bull made up. Please do a little bit of research on the subject before you make yourself out to be such a moron Degsey.

    This is a sad side to Ireland, that you would treat such a serious issue with gloat and glee. Frankly, some of you make me embarassed to be Irish, and it seems to be becoming more and more prevalant in After Hours. It's a disgrace.

    Pamela had her day(s) in court and was treated extremely well
    by the Irish people.

    How can you say what you say just because folks see a problem with
    a possible scam, that they are then bigoted and non empathetic?

    I am as merciful and compassionate as the next person, but surely
    a line has to be drawn and a country must have some law
    and order and rules. Are we simply to accept any old sob
    story and allow the country to be exploited by everyone?

    This case would have been sorted out far quicker in many many
    other countries, including Nigeria, yet the Irish are lacking empathy
    and compassion? Strange view is this!

    We have given Pamela more than a fair crack of the whip!


  • #339
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Rented Mule wrote: »
    ^^^^^^^^^

    On the same note, a newspaper in Australia was comparing the Irish immigrants there to the Polish 'invasion' of Western European countries.

    Irony can be so ironic at times.
    Not really. The Irish built Australia.

    beth-lou wrote: »
    Please do a little bit of research on the subject before you make yourself out to be such a moron Degsey.
    Personal abuse will get you banned every time.


  • #340
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    beth-lou wrote: »
    Frankly, some of you make me embarassed to be Irish

    You should move to nigeria and see how well they treat you.
    Tell them some load of cobblers about irish doctors forcing you to have your tonsils out and you could bleed to death.
    I'm sure they'll be willing to sink half a million quid into letting you stay.


  • #341
    thelordofcheese
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,368 ✭✭✭thelordofcheese


    Rented Mule wrote: »
    That's the attitude.

    Lie, cheat and steal so long as you get what you want.

    [Morpheus]
    Welcome to the real world
    [/Morpheus]


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  • #342
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Victor_M wrote: »
    Well said.
    No right minded people have a problem with anyone trying to make a better life for themselves and their family. The difference between the Irish and Nigerians has always been our willingness to work, and work damn hard, an attitude which is sorely missing from a lot of our Asylum seeking/ arm chancing/ hand out/ I know my rights lazy fraudsters from Nigeria..

    ....not that you'd generalise or anything.....
    Victor_M wrote: »
    FMG is a small part of Nigerian culture .
    Nigeria is one of the 27 countries in Africa where FGM is still practiced. In Nigeria, the harmful practice has a prevalence rate of between 40 and 50 percent, according to earlier Nigerian estimates. UN estimates however puts the FGM rate at approximately 60 percent among the nation's female population, with local rates reaching 90 percent.
    http://www.afrol.com/articles/11236

    small =/= 50%


  • #343
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,078 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    You know what pathetic argument I am so sick of, the whole, "You're generalizing" crap!

    Who is generalising Nodin?

    Who ever said ALL foreign nationals are scamming?

    Many are, it's a fact and many have been sent home because
    of it and many are still here despite it.

    Generalising has ZERO to do with this!


  • #344
    Terry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,073 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    Degsy wrote: »
    You should move to nigeria and see how well they treat you.
    Tell them some load of cobblers about irish doctors forcing you to have your tonsils out and you could bleed to death.
    I'm sure they'll be willing to sink half a million quid into letting you stay.
    This user has been banned and therefore cannot reply to you.
    Please don't do this.


  • #345
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    walshb wrote: »
    You know what pathetic argument I am so sick of, the whole "You're generalising" crap!

    Who is generalising Nodin?

    Yer man who said
    The difference between the Irish and Nigerians has always been our willingness to work, and work damn hard, an attitude which is sorely missing from a lot of our Asylum seeking/ arm chancing/ hand out/ I know my rights lazy fraudsters from Nigeria..

    ..who I was responding too...


  • #346
    Irlbo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭Irlbo


    beth-lou wrote: »
    Some of the views expressed in this thread are very disturbing.
    The lack of common decencey, compassion and empathy is frightening.
    The ease with which racist and bigoted opinions are thrown out and each of you congratulate yourselves on your pathetic attempts at humour is dis heartening.

    Nothing has been proven with regard to the stats released by the Nigerian government or by the doctor in question. It is just as probable that the government of Nigeria are trying to protect their reputation and are trying to make this woman out to be a liar to do so.

    The fact of the matter is that Female Genital Mutilation does happen and is extremely common in Nigeria and other African states. It is done to remove any sexual pleasure for a woman during sex, making it less likely that she will be unfaithful. It causes a lot of problems for women in childbirth adn has led to a lot of deaths of both mothers and babies because it is so badly done. Not to mention the amount of children who die due to infection post mutilation. It is not a con or bull made up. Please do a little bit of research on the subject before you make yourself out to be such a moron Degsey.

    This is a sad side to Ireland, that you would treat such a serious issue with gloat and glee. Frankly, some of you make me embarassed to be Irish, and it seems to be becoming more and more prevalant in After Hours. It's a disgrace.

    Maybe you can answer me this,Nigeria is a state that has been in existence for along time,it has a well established constitutuion and its own government and has institutions,it is far from a third world loosely held together country,an extremely wealthy nation,maybe a tad corrupt and unjust but where isnts?Nigeria and its citizens have an onus to solve their own problems,what has FGM got to do with Ireland?,this is not an Irish problem it is the problem of a well established country with its own laws and proceedures,if they areant dealing with the issue,why does it impeed on us?


  • #347
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Terry wrote: »
    Not really. The Irish built Australia.



    Personal abuse will get you banned every time.

    The Australians built Australia.
    Just because most came from Ireland orginally gives the current Irish no additional rights.


  • #348
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Nodin wrote: »
    Yer man who said


    ..who I was responding too...

    Still milking it for all its worth,eh?:rolleyes:


  • #349
    nomorebadtown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 634 ✭✭✭nomorebadtown


    Irlbo wrote: »
    Nigeria and its citizens have an onus to solve their own problems,what has FGM got to do with Ireland?,this is not an Irish problem it is the problem of a well established country with its own laws and proceedures,if they areant dealing with the issue,why does it impeed on us?
    because we are known to be a soft touch with immegration and legal systems resembling a slice of swiss cheese. Added to that, our ludicrous fear of being seen to be politically incorrect by a loud-mouthed bleeding heart minority.


  • #350
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Degsy wrote: »
    Still milking it for all its worth,eh?:rolleyes:

    I was responding to a post made at 13.20 today......


  • #351
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    nomorebadtown wrote: »
    because we are known to be a soft touch with immegration and legal systems resembling a slice of swiss cheese. Added to that, our ludicrous fear of being seen to be politically incorrect by a loud-mouthed bleeding heart minority.
    Reality & its Liberal Bias wrote:
    It emerged last night that the Irish rate of granting refugee status to asylum seekers is well below the EU average.
    Latest figures reveal Ireland ranks 18th out of Europe's 27 countries for allowing asylum.
    A report by the Irish Refugee Council supports government plans for a radical overhaul of the refugee system, which would see applications for various types of protection considered together under one system.
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/izevbekhai-in-desperate-hunt-for-evidence-of--asylum-claims-1691980.html


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  • #352
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Nodin wrote: »
    I was responding to a post made at 13.20 today......

    Whats the point?
    The woman is (hopefully) going to get ****ed out and you're still grasping at straws that its everybody else's fault but hers.


  • #353
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Degsy wrote: »
    Whats the point?
    The woman is (hopefully) going to get ****ed out and you're still grasping at straws that its everybody else's fault but hers.

    Jaysus.....fancy that.

    You wouldn't mind showing where I did that in the post you were referring to, or where I reference that specific case....
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=59629473&postcount=318
    Seeing as I typed about 12 characters all told, and included a small piece from an article and a link, it should be easy to find.


  • #354
    nomorebadtown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 634 ✭✭✭nomorebadtown


    Nodin wrote: »
    It emerged last night that the Irish rate of granting refugee status to asylum seekers is well below the EU average.
    Latest figures reveal Ireland ranks 18th out of Europe's 27 countries for allowing asylum.
    A report by the Irish Refugee Council supports government plans for a radical overhaul of the refugee system, which would see applications for various types of protection considered together under one system.
    fair enough but i stand by my bleeding heart minority remark.


  • #355
    Degsy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 16,397 ✭✭✭✭Degsy


    Nodin wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/courts/izevbekhai-in-desperate-hunt-for-evidence-of--asylum-claims-1691980.html


    Ah so the Irish Refugee Council are on the case!
    No wonder,they're completely state-funded and this case might be the kick up the hole needed to cut them off and stop wasting my tax money...they're fighting for thier lives as well as thier credebility/
    This case puts me in mind of pavee Point when the roma gypsies were living on the m50 roundabout..it took the romanian ammbasador to say the romas were lying about living in a rubbish heap before they dropped the case.
    Thse state agencies mollycoddling and defending criminals should be disbanded and the money used to help irish people.


  • #356
    Irlbo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 347 ✭✭Irlbo


    Degsy wrote: »
    Ah so the Irish Refugee Council are on the case!
    No wonder,they're completely state-funded and this case might be the kick up the hole needed to cut them off and stop wasting my tax money...they're fighting for thier lives as well as thier credebility/
    This case puts me in mind of pavee Point when the roma gypsies were living on the m50 roundabout..it took the romanian ammbasador to say the romas were lying about living in a rubbish heap before they dropped the case.
    Thse state agencies mollycoddling and defending criminals should be disbanded and the money used to help irish people.

    Here here,there are hundreds if not thousands of Irish on the streets,homeless,there is no avenue these people have to better themselves,have you ever seen a homeless Nigerian?


  • #357
    Jumpy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Irlbo wrote: »
    Here here,there are hundreds if not thousands of Irish on the streets,homeless,there is no avenue these people have to better themselves,have you ever seen a homeless Nigerian?

    We need a sarcasm smiley.

    This is sarcasm right?


  • #358
    Victor_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Victor_M


    Nodin wrote: »
    I was responding to a post made at 13.20 today......

    A post where I said "Quote:
    The difference between the Irish and Nigerians has always been our willingness to work, and work damn hard, an attitude which is sorely missing from a lot of our Asylum seeking/ arm chancing/ hand out/ I know my rights lazy fraudsters from Nigeria.. "

    I stand by it, if so many of these Nigerians were genuinely 'fearing for there lives' more would be making it through the Asylum process successfully, and not having to burn their passports are con there way into Irish society, where they do nothing buit reproduce and take handouts.

    I stand by what I said about alot (even though in reality IMO it's actually most) of them being lazy fraudsters who are here to leech off the Irish welfare system.


  • #359
    Victor_M
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,608 ✭✭✭Victor_M


    Irlbo wrote: »
    Here here,there are hundreds if not thousands of Irish on the streets,homeless,there is no avenue these people have to better themselves,have you ever seen a homeless Nigerian?

    Homeless!! Have you seen a Nigerian without an iPhone!


  • #360
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    nomorebadtown wrote: »
    fair enough but i stand by my bleeding heart minority remark.

    There may well be bleeding hearts, but they really don't strike me as relevant to the facts. Now logically, if we rank that far down in the tables, the country/state can hardly be accused of being too worried about them either. If you want to know who is screwing this country over, you don't need to look at refugees or anything so exotic.


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  • #361
    Papad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 220 ✭✭Papad


    It emerged last night that the Irish rate of granting refugee status to asylum seekers is well below the EU average.
    Latest figures reveal Ireland ranks 18th out of Europe's 27 countries for allowing asylum.

    Maybe they started to their their job properly so.

    Look, this isn't rocket science.

    Nigerians are number one on the list for asylum seekers in Ireland.
    Source: http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art2009032623323382 (Nigeria's most widely read newspaper).

    Since there is such a high degree of fraud in many of these applications, they are rejected and refugee status is not granted. Ergo, Ireland's rate should be lower than the EU average.


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