Deportation case mother had fake baby death papers, inquiry told

green123 wrote: »

most of their stories have holes in them-most of them are only here for economic reasons.
if they really were aslylum seekers, then they would claim asylum in the first free country the get to and not go cherry picking their way across europe until they find a soft touch like ireland, where they can scam our welfare system.
i am not a bit surprised by the pamela story, i just hope she is made an example of. might discourage others from trying it

Trying what?
Forging documents?
There is no conclusive proof of that. All there has been is a couple of failry ambiguous news reports and nothing else.
If she is found guilty of that, then it's a free for all. Until then, do not accuse her of doing something unless it has been definitively proven in court.

why cant he highlight just a few of the many stories about all the bogus asylum seekers ?

Because it bore all the trademarks of a witch hunt and that's not what this site is for.

If you want to discuss the merits of asylum seeking in a polite and dignified manner, then I sugget the Humanities forum.

Papad wrote: »

What puzzles me in all of this is the gullibility of the large amount of people who supported her. Were they not suspicious after she initially lied how she got into the country? Shouldn't this have caused alarm bells to go off with the rest of the story?

It is an unfortunate fact that most if not all asylum claims made by Nigerians are false (according to the senior person responsible for handling these claims). Yet, there are still tens of thousands of them in the country. When will this can of worms be investigated?

Terry wrote: »

Enough of the witch hunt crap.

unfortunately i dont think it will be investigated as much as it should be.
too many people in ireland like terry trying to keep it quiet.
i dont know why they are happy to allow ireland to be flooded with bogus asylum seekers ?

ireland has been unfairly targeted by too many bogus aslylum seekers.
ireland is not an easy country to get to for these people, there are alot of other countries that they counld go to if they were genuine.
why do they choose ireland ?
they are laughing at stupid little ireland, how easy it is to get in are scam us.
are you happy with these people making a fool of you with their stories ?

green123 wrote: »

ireland has been unfairly targeted by too many bogus aslylum seekers.
ireland is not an easy country to get to for these people, there are alot of other countries that they counld go to if they were genuine.
why do they choose ireland ?
they are laughing at stupid little ireland, how easy it is to get in are scam us.
are you happy with these people making a fool of you with their stories ?

Have you witnessed this first hand, or are you just going by what you heard in the pub?
Are you 100% certain that all asylum seekers are dodgy? If so, can you prove each individual case?

If you can, then your country needs you.

Not directly relevant but I think a valid point to make is the amount of cases being taken by those who have had a negative decision made against them during the asylum process. Here is a recent court list (March 19th) of all those who are just waiting to get a date in court:

http://www.courts.ie/legaldiary.nsf/a29e83d32296b62f80256c590060acda/91c3a9923bdafe738025757d00409ed8?OpenDocument

Must be a good few hundred there.

NOW SHE ADMITS USING FAKE DOCUMENTS - KICK HER OUT - The courts cant side with her now.

Izevbekhai admission a concern - Lenihan

The Minister for Integration has described an admission by a Nigerian mother that she used fake documents to assist her high profile asylum case here, as a matter of concern.

Earlier, it emerged Pamela Izevbekhai had used a fake death certificate for her daughter, and a forged affidavit from a doctor in Nigeria, in support of her argument that its not safe for her family to return to Nigeria.

Conor Lenihan said the matter will be examined fully by the courts.

AdvertisementHe added that during a visit to Nigeria last week he was assured female circumcision was not widespread.

Ms Izevbekhai is standing over her claim that she did have another daughter, Elizabeth, who died in 1994 as a result of female genital mutilation.

She claims that if sent back to Nigeria her surviving daughters' lives will be put at risk.


Ms Izevbekhai was responding to newspaper reports claiming that a Nigerian obstetrician and gynaecologist denied earlier claims that he had delivered Elizabeth, and had treated her again when she died.

Speaking on RTÉ Radio's Marian Finucane Show, Ms Izevbekhai said 'I know that this doctor is refuting everything', but she insisted that her daughter Elizabeth 'is real...she lived and died'.

Listen to the full interview

'I am in this country for the reason that I claim and that is the truth', Ms Izevbekhai said.

'I did not lie. I am here to protect my children...whatever I have to do to protect my children I will do...I have already lost one child I will not lose more'.

'If I did not have a fear of FGM I would not be here', she said, adding that 'the Nigerian authorities cannot give me safety'.

Responding to Ms Finucane's remark that 'If this documentation is fake it is very difficult for...any court to find in your favour', Ms Izevbekhai said that her husband was asked for money upon requesting the report from the doctor in question.

Asked what her legal advisers are saying, Ms Izevbekhai said she has 'to wait' and confirmed that her case to remain in Ireland, and prevent deportation, is scheduled to be heard this Friday.

'I don't know what is going on right now', she said.

'There is a lot that I cannot say, there is a lot that I cannot explain'.

Asked about the matters she could not talk about, Ms Izevbekhai said 'you cannot explain what you can't see'.

'I need to be careful please...I do not have legal backing as I speak to you now', she said.

Asked about its reaction to the latest developments in the case, a spokesman for the Department of Justice said it cannot comment on cases which are currently before the courts.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0329/izevbekhaip.html

Rented Mule wrote: »

There is a word for people that don't tell the truth.

What's that word ?

Liars.

Maybe one of the ban happy moderators can jump in on this one with an explanation ?

The so called "ban happy" moderators are trying to act in the best interests of this website. Any more posts discussing/questioning or making snide remarks about moderator actions in this thread will be banned without warning.

your going to get banned for that

kathy2 wrote: »

What witch hunt? Why oh why can't we learn from our mistakes.

It this seemingly pointless denial that stops us from moving on.

How could there be a witch hunt when the woman admits it?

Articles are published on multiple web sites:D

I was referring to the witch hunt on asylum seekers.

Rented Mule wrote: »

This woman and her supporters are playing the sympathy card in media from day one.

How dare any of us have an opinion that differs from that, regardless of what the Irish media is reporting,

See post below:

Rented Mule wrote: »

There is a word for people that don't tell the truth.

What's that word ?

Maybe one of the ban happy moderators can jump in on this one with an explanation ?

Dublin1600 wrote: »

OMG this just keeps getting better and better, best novel ever!!!

Now Pamela admits papers are faked

Pamela Izevbekhai, the Nigerian woman who claims she fled to Ireland in order to save her two daughters from female genital mutilation (FGM), has admitted that documents used in a series of legal challenges against her deportation were counterfeits.

She still insists that she had a daughter, named Elizabeth, who died in 1994 at the age of 17 months after undergoing female circumcision.

Izevbekhai, whose landmark Supreme Court challenge to stay in Ireland with her two daughters, Naomi, 7, and Jemima, 6, is due to be heard this Friday, made the admission yesterday. The disclosure is almost certain to cause the collapse of her legal challange.

Izevbekhai admitted that a document purporting to be Elizabeth’s death certificate was a fake. An affidavit from Joseph Unokanjo, an obstetrician who purportedly treated the child before she died, was also a counterfeit.

Izevbekhai said she only learned that the documents were fake on Friday night when her husband Tony, who is living in Nigeria, admitted he had obtained them from a fraudster. She claimed her husband was forced to obtain the fake documents because Unokanjo had refused to supply the real papers and medical reports without a substantial payment.

Unokanjo has denied this in an interview with The Sunday Times but refused to answer detailed questions about the case unless he received a payment of €5,000 from the newspaper.

Izevbekhai said she now regretted taking a series of legal challenges, including one to the European Court of Human Rights, against her deportation and those of her daughters.

“I didn’t know the documents were fake when I passed them to my lawyers. I am so sorry for what has happened. If people are upset, they have every right to be upset. Everything I did, I did it believing the documents to be true. I know I am in a lot of trouble and I don’t know how to get myself out of it,” she said.

Izevbekhai appealed to Dermot Ahern, the justice minister, to “pardon” her for what had happened. She said she feared being killed in her native country if her deportation to Nigeria proceeded. “Anything that I did was for the safety of my children. Nigeria is not a safe place for me any more.” Izevbekhai said she felt she had let down her supporters, friends and legal team. “My lawyers acted in good faith. I didn’t set out to deceive anyone because I didn’t know the documents were fakes.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article5993384.ece

She did not admit to forging these papers.
Once again, she did not admit to forging anything herself.
A third time for those hard of reading: She did not admit to forging any papers herself.

If she admits to, or if the courts find her guilty of forgery, I will happily sit back and allow you all to have a feild day and post smiley faces indicating that you are happy that a woman has been found guilty of/admitted wrongdoing.
Until then, the previous warnings remain.

Terry wrote: »

The case is not over yet.

Well as far as the courts siding with her it more or less is.