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  • #122
    TheNog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭TheNog


    Aiden Fast Antifreeze wrote: »
    there is evidence that alot are corrupt and bullying is rife in the force so the good ones will never do the right thing and come forward to root out the rot as it is not in their career interest. Chicken sh1ts.

    Can you provide evidence that ALOT of guards are corrupt. I doubt it but its probably just in your mind anyway.
    Aiden Fast Antifreeze wrote: »
    Guess we will just have to wait for the evidence. Oh but that will all come from Guards who stick together like you said. Apples and all

    Wrong there. Some evidence will come from the guards, some from the post mortem and some from the Ombudsman
    Aiden Fast Antifreeze wrote: »
    As for evidence of corruption eh lets see....... Morris Tribunal..... that enough for you or does it not define alot.

    The Morris Tribunal investigated a small number of gardai and found them to be corrupt, not all gardai are corrupt


  • #123
    znv6i3h7kqf9ys
    Closed Accounts Posts: 497 ✭✭znv6i3h7kqf9ys


    TheNog wrote: »
    Can you provide evidence that ALOT of guards are corrupt. I doubt it but its probably just in your mind anyway.



    Wrong there. Some evidence will come from the guards, some from the post mortem and some from the Ombudsman



    The Morris Tribunal investigated a small number of gardai and found them to be corrupt, not all gardai are corrupt

    1.As I already said, I believe that most are honest and hard working, but like any organisation there are bad apples. Like the Female Guard who made up the story about the taxi driver (fake assault), the guard from Galway who got off on a technicality who was up for assault, the may day heros...... the guy who paid prostitutes to find him kids need I go on and these are only the ones who got caught. Don't think it's all in my mind.

    2. Point taken. However Garda evidence will make up a large part of that and they will all stick together no matter what. Just the way it is.

    3. I know not all Gardai are corrupt but to dismiss the findings of the Morris tribunal by saying it was only a small number of gardai is off side. Read the report. And again these are only the ones that got detected.


  • #124
    Relevant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭Relevant


    Aiden Fast Antifreeze wrote: »
    1.As I already said, I believe that most are honest and hard working, but like any organisation there are bad apples. Like the Female Guard who made up the story about the taxi driver (fake assault), the guard from Galway who got off on a technicality who was up for assault, the may day heros...... the guy who paid prostitutes to find him kids need I go on and these are only the ones who got caught. Don't think it's all in my mind.

    2. Point taken. However Garda evidence will make up a large part of that and they will all stick together no matter what. Just the way it is.

    3. I know not all Gardai are corrupt but to dismiss the findings of the Morris tribunal by saying it was only a small number of gardai is off side. Read the report. And again these are only the ones that got detected.

    How does it feel to have such a chip on your shoulder?


  • #125
    Daroxtar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭Daroxtar


    Relevant wrote: »
    How does it feel to have such a chip on your shoulder?
    Unbalanced?


  • #126
    pipsqueak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 618 ✭✭✭pipsqueak


    Aiden Fast Antifreeze wrote: »
    Do you have anything at all to indicate he died from being assaulted by Gardai ? Could he not just have been ill to begin with or say for example chronically drunk (which would also explain his being arrested on public order offences) ?

    I could just as easily post a link to the lithuanian-crowbar wielding rape-gang and say here is what happens when we no longer have Judge Carney's gardai crime prevention common sense approach dont you think ?

    Wow Molar a Gard wouldn't ask you that........... actually thats exactly what one would ask and how he would ask it. Judging by your fixation with the Nazi's in your other posts if you are a Guard I'd hate to be alone with you in a cell. The trouble is that the bad apples in AGS probably joined the force to live out some sick twisted fantasy of power. Like being a Nazi for example. I'm not expecting any member of AGS to own up on an internet forum to illegal activity but come on lets be real. Yes the people who get beaten up by Gardai probably have done something wrong, and Guards are human but eh behaviour breeds behavior. I respect the Guards as for the most part but there is evidence that alot are corrupt and bullying is rife in the force so the good ones will never do the right thing and come forward to root out the rot as it is not in their career interest. Chicken sh1ts.[/quote]

    so let me get this right: Les paul calls morlar a nazi and doesnt even get an infraction , morlar calls him an idiot and gets banned!

    joke!


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  • #127
    TheNog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,160 ✭✭✭TheNog


    Aiden Fast Antifreeze wrote: »
    1.As I already said, I believe that most are honest and hard working, but like any organisation there are bad apples. Like the Female Guard who made up the story about the taxi driver (fake assault), the guard from Galway who got off on a technicality who was up for assault, the may day heros...... the guy who paid prostitutes to find him kids need I go on and these are only the ones who got caught. Don't think it's all in my mind.

    I agree with you, there are some bad apples of course. To say otherwise would be stupid. But again you said a large amount but the cases you have pointed out above does not indicate a large amount.
    2. Point taken. However Garda evidence will make up a large part of that and they will all stick together no matter what. Just the way it is.

    Garda evidence was already made even before the man passed away and that evidence is contained within the Custody Record. It will be one of the first things the Ombudsman will come looking for.
    Any evidence the Gardai can provide really is just the time line of events and the persons behaviour before and during his detention. Its the PM that will shed more light on this case.
    3. I know not all Gardai are corrupt but to dismiss the findings of the Morris tribunal by saying it was only a small number of gardai is off side. Read the report. And again these are only the ones that got detected.

    The Morris Tribunal went on for God only knows how long but what it pointed out how many Gardai? Cant remember correctly but it was less than 10.

    Anyway alot of improvements have been made since the first and subsequent reports and rightly so.


  • #128
    eroo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,084 ✭✭✭eroo


    Aiden Fast Antifreeze wrote: »
    I respect the Guards as for the most part but there is evidence that alot are corrupt and bullying is rife in the force so the good ones will never do the right thing and come forward to root out the rot as it is not in their career interest. Chicken sh1ts.
    How easy it is for you sitting in front of your monitor to call people 'Chicken sh1ts', for not acting in incredibly complex and pressurised situations. I'm sure you wouldn't hesitate:rolleyes:.
    You speak of evidence.. please produce it. You highlighted a handful of cases, including Donegal which happened over 10 years ago. There are roughly 14,000 Gardai; a few cases of off duty misconduct does not mean they are all corrupt. So evidence to back up your statement?
    Aiden Fast Antifreeze wrote: »
    My opinion is that this looks a bit sus. Better wait on the facts though. But correct me if I am wrong when I say that if the only witnesses in these kinds of incidents are Gardai the only "facts" available to the ombudsman would be Garda statements? Now don't get me wrong Gardai do tough work and have to deal with social scum all the time which can't be easy. But like any organisation there are bad apples........ only trouble is they will always stick together.
    That's just what it is, your opinion. As is everything you have said so far regarding An Garda Siochana. Just because you say Gardai are corrupt, doesn't mean you are in any way right.
    Do you honestly think the only evidence will be statements? There will be a post mortem which will indicate cause and time of death.

    As for your comment about Gardai sticking together.. that is absolute rubbish. There have been several cases of Gardai being prosecuted by Gardai. An example being a few years ago.. a young Garda arrested and charged one of his superiors for drink driving. As a result, his superior was fired and banned for driving. Not exactly 'sticking together'.


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