2 Dead several others shot outside Army base Antrim

Voodoo_Chile · 08-03-2009 02:28PM

Sam Vimes wrote: »

Exactly. The English don't give a flying fuck about the north. the people don't know anything about it and the politicians see it as a drain on their resources. The sole reason why the north is still part of the UK is that the majority of the people living there want it that way.

The day that last nationalist turns 18 who tips the balance the other way, a referendum will be held, the north will be given back and every single british politician will break out the champagne because that pack of ignorant bigots will then be our problem to deal with

Quoted for truth.

Harolds+ · 08-03-2009 02:28PM

I have more sympathy for the kids delivering the pizzas than the soldiers. It was wrong that they were shot at but the soldiers knew the risks.

I heard that there is a possibilty that the shooters ordered the pizza for the Army and when they opened the gates they were shot

A bit like in the 1980's when republican women used to give the soldiers tins of sweets but in reality it was booby trapped to explode

gurramok · 08-03-2009 02:29PM

Biggins wrote: »

Respectfully, I was ONLY speaking of the political attachment of Northern Ireland to mainland Britain.
I apologise unreservedly if I haven't made that clear enough for you or anyone.
(I'd have thought it would be clear to others - maybe I was wrong.)

In that case, Northern Ireland is not an island on its own, it's a part of another big island called Ireland so your political reference of mainland is very thin ground

Biggins · 08-03-2009 02:33PM

gurramok wrote: »

In that case, Northern Ireland is not an island on its own, it's a part of another big island called Ireland so your political reference of mainland is very thin ground

You might be right, its an issue not worth falling out over however.
All the best and hope you have a good Sunday.

sock puppet · 08-03-2009 02:36PM

luckat wrote: »

sock puppet, there was a documentary about this shooting recently; the poor guy was trailed by an intelligence unit that repeatedly offered to arrest him while he was out in the open (they were under the impression that he was a wanted Arab activist thought likely to be a suicide bomber).

This was repeatedly refused by their bosses, who told them to stand down and sent in an 'armed response unit', all jizzed up by orders to do anything necessary, etc. These just pounced on the guy as he sat there in a Tube train with its doors open among other people, wrestled him down and shot him many times in the head as he screamed and struggled and protested.

The whole thing was a horrible hames resulting from people getting hysterical about terrorist threats.

Oh I see. I thought it was the police following him. However no matter what mistakes they've made in the past 2 guys have been killed. If there have been reports that there was increased dissident activity then those reports were right.

ninkynonk · 08-03-2009 02:37PM

When i seen it on the news this morning i had a flash back to the mid 90's when Breaking news used to pop up on RTE- i cant believe that this could happen again! I really hope it doesnt slide back to the bad old days.:(

Voodoo_Chile · 08-03-2009 02:41PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

It's not Iraq we're talking about here, it's Ireland, it's YOUR country. If people start dying again we can't bury our heads in the sand this time.

Please don't lump the Republic in with the North. There are two different nations on this island plain and simple and any crap British citizens decide to start with their own army is of no concern of mine.
And if Citizens of the Republic start something with a foreign army I'm more then happy to see them extridited.

08-03-2009 02:42PM

RoundTower wrote: »

easy question. They are there "to keep order".

Now Northern Ireland already has a police force, the PSNI, whose duty is to keep order in the North. So why need the British army too? There are two simple differences between the PSNI and the British army:

1. The army are trained to kill people
2. The PSNI has to recruit Catholics, while the army are 100% loyalist

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/british-army-recruiting-irish-troops-1407979.html

ONE in 10 recruits now enlisting in the British army in Northern Ireland is from the Republic.

The numbers travelling across the Border to join have more than doubled in the past year, according to the British army's recruitment office in the North.

08-03-2009 02:46PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

If people start dying again we can't bury our heads in the sand this time.

People died, last night, what are you suggesting?

Duffers · 08-03-2009 02:48PM

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

If I was considering joining any army, my main concern would be the possibility of getting killed.

I also find it highly unlikely that anyone in the base actually ordered a pizza in the first place. To me it seems like there was a ridiculous lack of security that a group of lads pretending to be delivering a pizza could just stroll into an army base and open fire.

Well, you may find it unlikely but it happens at most barracks, they tell the MPGS on duty to expect a delivery, then when it arrives step outside the gate to pay and get the pizza.
As has been said, the pizza guys were just doing their job, and the attack was a drive by, they didn't get inside.
Anyway, all of that is irrelevant. The people who are saying things along the lines of 'trained killers' etc need to have a word with themselves.
Why is it I never hear these views when having a face to face conversation, yet encounter them frequently on this website?

dotsman · 08-03-2009 02:48PM

Mairt wrote: »

''Special Forces'', listen - If the British weren't occupying our country NOT ONE BRITISH SOLDIER WOULD BE NEEDED UP THERE - nada, not fvcking one!.

As it is its a provence under occupation...

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I'm sorry but do you live in northern ireland? Because you are talking out of your absolute a**e. Alot of people up here do still consider it to be a provence under occupation.

When will people ever actually study history, rather than some BS provo propaganda? The six counties were NEVER a part of our country (and hopefully never will be). Deal with it.

midlandsmissus wrote: »

If we had sent an army up to Northern Ireland to fight the brits at the time all of this would have been over by now. We did nothing to help all of our own that died.

If the troubles start up again, the only way to solve it, is to deploy help from the republic. But then most people down south don't even seem to see northern ireland as part of ireland anymore, and couldn't give a monkeys(while still spouting 'the brits took our six counties') So the question is....what would you do?

Brilliant. I'll be the first to enlist so we can illegally invade the UK. Absolutely f***in' ingenious idea. We should do it soon while they're still concentrating on Iraq/Afghanistan. Maybe if we catch them completely unawares, we can be in London within a week.

Firefly Fan · 08-03-2009 02:49PM

Its sad and depressing to think that there are those that are still on this island that are clearly living in the past, failing to see the full picture.
What a sad sate of affairs their world must revolve around in!

I thought we were more educated than we all were before and moved on with the democratic process.
Some just won't chose a fruitful, productive and peaceful route. They are indeed on a road to nowhere fast.

08-03-2009 02:54PM

They are in a tiny minority:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_referendum,_1998

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Belfast_Agreement_referendum,_1998

Lab_Mouse · 08-03-2009 02:56PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

4) People down south would be the first to say 'fu*king brits took our six counties, and yet where was anybody down south when the north needed help against the brits?
4) People down south are VERY unpopular with the CATHOLICS up here for the following reasons. They say: we left them to die at the hands of the english. When there was so much suffering up here during the troubles, what did we do? Absolutely nothing.
If we had sent an army up to Northern Ireland to fight the brits at the time all of this would have been over by now. We did nothing to help all of our own that died.
One of the older catholics told me the other day that he was told during the troubles' "you're fighting your ass off to have a United Ireland, and for what? To join that shower down there who couldn't give a fu*k about you?'

And there were no IRA members from the south?No southern IRA men in prison..and by the way 5 comes after 4

08-03-2009 02:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

They are in a tiny minority:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ireland_referendum,_1998

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland_Belfast_Agreement_referendum,_1998

Good up to date data there !

we were still using the Punt and France were the world champions !

Harolds+ · 08-03-2009 03:01PM

I hope it acts as a warning to anyone thinking of joining the Army that it carries risks including death

I'm sure that the above is mentioned to these drones but occupation of any land is counter productive

08-03-2009 03:02PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Good up to date data there !

we were still using the Punt and France were the world champions !

It is up to date. It stands. Where did these people get there mandate? They are not fighting for "Ireland" - Ireland spoke by voting FOR the GFA.

Move on ! :rolleyes:

Richard · 08-03-2009 03:05PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Good up to date data there !

we were still using the Punt and France were the world champions !

The data is still relevent. There has, of course, been more poltical progress since then.

ejmaztec · 08-03-2009 03:06PM

Lab_Mouse wrote: »

And there were no IRA members from the south?No southern IRA men in prison..and by the way 5 comes after 4

I also think that if midlandsmissus had her way, and the Irish army was sent up there to fight the Brits, it certainly wouldn't have been over, and we'd have more than one occupied province to think about.

08-03-2009 03:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It is up to date. It stands. Where did these people get there mandate? They are not fighting for "Ireland" - Ireland spoke by voting FOR the GFA.

Move on ! :rolleyes:

who you telling to move on btw? I just pointed out your info is 11 years old.

There will always be people that oppose British occupation of the 6 counties and a minority of them wll use force. They just dont have much backing which is a relief for ordinary innocent civilians in the north.

Terry · 08-03-2009 03:08PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

I also think that if midlandsmissus had her way, and the Irish army was sent up there to fight the Brits, it certainly wouldn't have been over, and we'd have more than one occupied province to think about.

This is the last time I say this. Attack the post, not the poster.

There will be bans aplenty from here on.

ejmaztec · 08-03-2009 03:14PM

Terry wrote: »

This is the last time I say this. Attack the post, not the poster.

There will be bans aplenty from here on.

Sorry, wasn't intentional. I thought that I was referring to a quote from one of her earlier posts, and not actually attacking her personally. "Egg-shells" from now on.

RoundTower · 08-03-2009 03:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

ONE in 10 recruits now enlisting in the British army in Northern Ireland is from the Republic.

The numbers travelling across the Border to join have more than doubled in the past year, according to the British army's recruitment office in the North.

I'm not sure what you're talking about. Some soldiers in the British army may be from the Republic, but they're still loyalists. Here's the oath they swear on joining. Members of the PSNI do not take an oath like this.

British Army wrote:

I (state your name), swear by Almighty God that I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II, her heirs and successors and that I will as in duty bound honestly and faithfully defend Her Majesty, her heirs and successors in person, crown and dignity against all enemies and will observe and obey all orders of Her Majesty, her heirs and successors and of the generals and officers set over me.

Harolds+ · 08-03-2009 03:19PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

"Egg-shells" from now on.

very good:D

Biggins · 08-03-2009 03:22PM

I think its very clear how the vast majority think on this forum (and maybe the island?).
How sad a loss of life is for any family and why we must always seek a better way of doing things...

Some (and they might have a genuine point from their view) might disagree with others but thankfully, despite our differences, we, as that greater majority, have sought before and wish to continue, in the more peaceful democratic process of achieving our individual aims.
Only those that don't respect the democratic process, will continue to reach for a weapon in order to win (bully?) others to their way of thinking. As seen already on this land in the last 30 years, it gained absolutely nothing.

Using a peaceful political process is the way forward and I'm proud of the many on this island that are using that method to seek their own aims.
Long may they do so. Peace to all.

gurramok · 08-03-2009 03:24PM

dotsman wrote: »

When will people ever actually study history, rather than some BS provo propaganda? The six counties were NEVER a part of our country (and hopefully never will be). Deal with it.

This post is BS.

The 6 counties were part of our country as the political entity of Ireland under an Irish parliament before 1801, they were then ruled from 1801 onwards under the Act of Union. Nothing changed until 1922.

The hint being that Ireland as an island was treated as a country politically no matter who ruled her before 1922.

Micky Dolenz · 08-03-2009 03:29PM

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Not a thing, because I really don't give a damn aslong as its not on my street.
That one line sums up alot of peole in this country. Not on your street? It's not Iraq we're talking about here, it's Ireland, it's YOUR country. If people start dying again we can't bury our heads in the sand this time.

So pray tell what great things have you done for YOUR country?

Two lives were lost in a cowardly way. I feel sorry for those famlies today.

To the people who say they are trained killers that knew what they signed up for. would ye say the same if it was a terrorist/Freedom fighter etc that was killed?

Defenestrate · 08-03-2009 03:31PM

Murdering ******* scumbags, that's pretty much my sentiments on the matter.

If the majority of NI wanted to be part of the Republic then it could be solved diplomatically, but at the moment they dont.

Perhaps one day the feelings of the people there will change and NI will vote to rejoin the Republic. Driving round murdering people will only make people dig in their heels and resist that change.

Absolute shocking news from a 'western' country, I hope they burn in Hell.

ScumLord · 08-03-2009 03:43PM

Now here's something worth marching against. Whatever about the history and politics involved I'm sure we'll all agree that violence and gun play is stupid and pointless. These lads should be shown once and for all they don't have the support of the people.

Local-womanizer · 08-03-2009 03:59PM

Terrontress wrote: »

There are special forces in every developed nation. I am sure there are special forces in Northern Ireland who are monitoring potential threats linked to extreme Islamic movements.

There are definitely special forces (SBS) who patrol the entrance to Belfast port. If you ever take the ferry, you can sometimes see them darting about in dark speedboats. They are even in Carlingford Lough, which borders Louth.

Everyone seems to be in agreement that dissident republicans are an issue and need to be stopped and that the loss of two human beings and the injuries sustained by a pizza delivery guy earning minimum wage. Why not use the state's trained apparatus to do that?

I don't see an issue whatsoever with special forces operating in Northern Ireland providing they are not doing so ultra vires.

I agree with you,but unfortunatly there are people who take an issue with it,as seen in the news over the last few days.

As far as I see it,the north is under British rule so its up to them what they do with it

2 Dead several others shot outside Army base Antrim

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