Garret Fitzgerld.......WHF!!!!!

K-9 · 27-02-2009 12:26AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

before i was born :pac:

i can't claim to know much about that era, but that wasn't really his fault was it? and he's hands were tied by being in coalition with a bunch of those bearded types?

And this isn't Cowens?

He was the stereotypical intellectual.

phantom_lord · 27-02-2009 12:26AM

dSTAR wrote: »

Quite possibly. But book knowledge and practical experience / pragmatism are two very different things.

but he has both?

stepbar · 27-02-2009 12:29AM

I fund it funny that someone who supports Fianna Fail is critising someone from Fine Gael for offering up a solution to all the crap happening at the moment. Bertie couldn't remember where all that money came from. Surely pot calling the kettle black, eh?

dSTAR · 27-02-2009 12:31AM

Asking Fitzgerald (or Haughey) to come back to run the country would be like asking my granma to enter the Miss World competition. Shes dead btw. They came from very different eras and the world we are in now is very different to the world in which they were running the country.

phantom_lord · 27-02-2009 12:31AM

i don't think he supports ff.

junkyard · 27-02-2009 12:32AM

I hope you don't think I support FF.....TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT MY SIG!!!!!!!!!

phantom_lord · 27-02-2009 12:35AM

K-9 wrote: »

And this isn't Cowens?

He was the stereotypical intellectual.

i wasn't implying that it was cowens. i just took it that you were insinuating that the problems back then were Garret Fitzgerald's doing.

dSTAR wrote: »

Asking Fitzgerald (or Haughey) to come back to run the country would be like asking my granma to enter the Miss World competition. Shes dead btw. They came from very different eras and the world we are in now is very different to the world in which they were running the country.

i think he would do a much better job than the politicians were have around at the moment.

Guy:Incognito · 27-02-2009 12:38AM

junkyard wrote: »

I just watched the nine o'clock and there I saw Garret Fitzgerld advising on how to sort out the mess we're in at the moment.........now correct me if I'm wrong here, but this man couldn't look after his own finances a few years ago and had the banks write off his own bad debts along with Haughey and a few others, and now he's advising the government on how to sort things out?? I don't know wheather to laugh or cry at the brass neck of him I really don't. Watching the running of this country is like watching a car crash in slow motion, you know it's going to be bad but you'd feel like running in and pulling these muppets out before there is absolutely no hope.:(

I thought you left the country?

junkyard · 27-02-2009 12:38AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

i think he would do a much better job than the politicians were have around at the moment.

Well that wouldn't be hard because the politicians we have at the moment are doing sweet f*ck all.

junkyard · 27-02-2009 12:40AM

Stekelly wrote: »

I thought you left the country?

Coming and going sorting out my stuff, if that's ok with you.

phantom_lord · 27-02-2009 12:41AM

you still don't accept that with his education and the fact that he's been Taoiseach twice that he may have some worthwhile advice to give?

K-9 · 27-02-2009 12:41AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

i wasn't implying that it was cowens. i just took it that you were insinuating that the problems back then were Garret Fitzgerald's doing.

He was the Taoiseach for 5 years and instead of doing what he said he would, he doubled our debt and raised taxes.

Jaysus, give it 20 years and we'll be reading Cowen lectures on the economy.

stepbar · 27-02-2009 12:42AM

junkyard wrote: »

I hope you don't think I support FF.....TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT MY SIG!!!!!!!!!

Hey now here....... I seem to remember round election 07', posts on the Politics forum to the contrary.

dSTAR · 27-02-2009 12:42AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

i think he would do a much better job than the politicians were have around at the moment.

Sad but true.

phantom_lord · 27-02-2009 12:42AM

K-9 wrote: »

He was the Taoiseach for 5 years and instead of doing what he said he would, he doubled our debt and raised taxes.

but that wasn't really his fault was it? and he's hands were tied by being in coalition with a bunch of those bearded types?

no?

stepbar · 27-02-2009 12:43AM

K-9 wrote: »

He was the Taoiseach for 5 years and instead of doing what he said he would, he doubled our debt and raised taxes.

Jaysus, give it 20 years and we'll be reading Cowen lectures on the economy.

It didn't help that Fianna Fail left an almighty mess before Fine Gael either I suppose.

Guy:Incognito · 27-02-2009 12:44AM

junkyard wrote: »

Coming and going sorting out my stuff, if that's ok with you.

Nope, jog on and moan about the goings on wherever your laying you hat nowadays.

I just hope it isnt France. I'll be able to hear you from here.:D

Blackjack · 27-02-2009 12:48AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

i wasn't implying that it was cowens. i just took it that you were insinuating that the problems back then were Garret Fitzgerald's doing.

Did he not double the national Debt during his tenure?. Surely as an economist, he had to wonder about that?.

phantom_lord wrote: »

i think he would do a much better job than the politicians were have around at the moment.

That's possibly true, but a lot of people would be better than the idiots - both Government and opposition - in both houses at the moment. I can see very few genuine leaders or representatives in either the Dáil or the senate right now.

K-9 · 27-02-2009 12:49AM

phantom_lord wrote: »

no?

I believe he was well intentioned but he was never a politician.

It was a coalition and yes, he had to consider Labour. Still, FF don't care too much about the Greens. That doesn't absolve him of responsibility for the mess in 1987, after 5 years of his Govt.

He was that bad, Dukes introduced the Tallaght strategy, somebody finally had to do what they said. If anything, we owe him the "how not to run a country during a recession" lessons.

PS. If Dick Spring wrote the same, I'd be as critical.

K-9 · 27-02-2009 12:50AM

stepbar wrote: »

It didn't help that Fianna Fail left an almighty mess before Fine Gael either I suppose.

Completely accepted. Unfortunately FG and Labour made it worse. McSharry cleaned up everybodies mess.

dresden8 · 27-02-2009 12:51AM

stepbar wrote: »

It didn't help that Fianna Fail left an almighty mess before Fine Gael either I suppose.

Exactly. FG under Fitzgeral inherited the first time FF bankrupted the country.

Unfortunately, they will also inherit the second time FF bankrupted the country.

I blame FF supporters, funnily enough.

Unfortunately I also blame myself, I didn't believe Trev would lead the greens into coalition with FF.

Shame on us.

Moreso on Trev.

junkyard · 27-02-2009 12:54AM

stepbar wrote: »

Hey now here....... I seem to remember round election 07', posts on the Politics forum to the contrary.

Not by me, I never voted FF in my life and never will.

themont85 · 27-02-2009 12:56AM

To be fair to GF he was in a coalition with Labour and had a hefty opposition led by Charles Haughy who agreed to **** all consensus and was all about getting himself back as Taoiseach(like Kenny now being a beligerant prick and putting politics over the country). As soon as he was FG agreed to the Tallaght Strategy.

He did have some ideas but never was getting them through. If he had been a FF politician I wonder how much more he could have done. He was a thinker not a leader of a coalition held together by an anti Haughy mindset.

Also GF inherited the recession. Ireland's problems of the 80s stemmed from the mid 70s onwards with heavy borrowing crippling the State.

junkyard · 27-02-2009 12:58AM

Stekelly wrote: »

Nope, jog on and moan about the goings on wherever your laying you hat nowadays.

I just hope it isnt France. I'll be able to hear you from here.:D

It is France actually or Monaco to be accurate, and I won't be driving a Renault or eating snails.:) Or moaning about much there either thanks.

OPENROAD · 27-02-2009 01:02AM

stepbar wrote: »

I fund it funny that someone who supports Fianna Fail is critising someone from Fine Gael for offering up a solution to all the crap happening at the moment.

What solution are they offering?

K-9 · 27-02-2009 01:27AM

dresden8 wrote: »

Exactly. FG under Fitzgeral inherited the first time FF bankrupted the country.

Unfortunately, they will also inherit the second time FF bankrupted the country.

When did that happen?

Strange that if the country was bankrupt, the next Govt. doubled the debt?

bunny shooter · 27-02-2009 01:33AM

Ah the 80's years of record emigration, '86 holding the record I believe, the year I left school and this country and FG charged me a "departure tax" to go. Looks like FF have learned a few lessons form Garret all right, reckon there is gonna be mass emigration again fairly soon and we have a "depature tax" again

Gits the whole lot of 'em

Sleepy · 27-02-2009 01:35AM

OP, cop yourself on. Arguably the most intelligent taoiseach the country has ever had and you think the bunch of corrupt idiots currently in power couldn't possibly benefit from his advice occasionaly?

Leave you blind party allegiance to one side for a moment. You're speaking about the man who on losing the election in 1987 approached the leader of your own party offering the conditional support of his party for a fiscal adjustment which became known as the Tallaght Strategy - one of the most succesful political achievements of the 80's. Was his input that useless then?!

And before questioning the finances of one of the 'ould enemies' most feted leaders, it might be a good idea to think about the financial irregularities of your own party's most feted leader... Bear in mind the conclusion the Moriarty Tribunal found in relation to his fiinancial irregularities, it leaves him in a far better light than your own party's hero:

In summary it would appear that in compromising his indebtedness with the Bank, Dr. Fitzgerald disposed of his only substantial asset, namely, his family home at Palmerston Road, a property which would now be worth a considerable sum of money. As in Mr. Haughey’s case, there was a substantial discounting or forbearance shown in Dr. Fitzgerald’s case. However in contrast with Mr. Haughey’s case, Dr. Fitzgerald’s case involved the effective exhaustion of his assets in order to achieve a settlement whereas Mr. Haughey’s assets were retained virtually intact.

Leave the blind party allegiance behind OP. It just makes you look like a simpleton.

BTW, I'm not a member of Fine Gael and have yet to give any of their candidates a No 1 on a ballet slip, I'm just sick of blind political allegiances in this country. They're as much to blame as any bankers for the situation we now find ourselves in.

junkyard · 27-02-2009 01:40AM

FFS....I'M NOT A FF SUPPORTER........DOES ANYONE EVEN LOOK PROPERLY AT MY SIG!!!!:rolleyes:

skelliser · 27-02-2009 02:07AM

he also negogiated and signed the anglo-irish agreement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Irish_Agreement
which for the first time gave us a say in the affairs of northern ireland and arguably laid the foundation for the good friday agreement.

Garret Fitzgerld.......WHF!!!!!

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