Garret Fitzgerld.......WHF!!!!!

junkyard

I just watched the nine o'clock and there I saw Garret Fitzgerld advising on how to sort out the mess we're in at the moment.........now correct me if I'm wrong here, but this man couldn't look after his own finances a few years ago and had the banks write off his own bad debts along with Haughey and a few others, and now he's advising the government on how to sort things out?? I don't know wheather to laugh or cry at the brass neck of him I really don't. Watching the running of this country is like watching a car crash in slow motion, you know it's going to be bad but you'd feel like running in and pulling these muppets out before there is absolutely no hope.:(

Quazzie

WHF!!!!


FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

tallus

He couldn't be any worse than the muppets in power at the moment.
and btw, it's Fitzgerald, there's an a in there

Eoin

WTF does WHF stand for?

junkyard

Sorry, I meant WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:o

mike65

MGO! :eek: tis a FIAL!

Its a bit rich but I suspect he puts down the 80s screw ups to coalition with Labour before the beards went. His prognosis is bloody gloomy but sadly not wrong.

junkyard

tallus wrote: »

He couldn't be any worse than the muppets in power at the moment.
and btw, it's Fitzgerald, there's an a in there

Does it matter?:)

tallus

junkyard wrote: »

Does it matter?:)

well if you're going to piss an moan about someone at least spell their name correctly

dSTAR

Surely this is a joke. He needs advice on how to put on a pair of shoes!

mike65

I thought it was socks he usually mixed up?

OPENROAD

mike65 wrote: »

His prognosis is bloody gloomy but sadly not wrong.

+1

The thing is the opposition is very short on detail of what they will actually do which has been a let down.

dSTAR

mike65 wrote: »

I thought it was socks he usually mixed up?

You might be right. I just remember him being dubbed goody two shoes.

Sleipnir

He's gloomy but I think he's right about a lot of things. We need an emergency budget right now, not in 10 months.

He also said that taxes will need to go up, but the government won't do it until after the local elections.
The opposition won't even mention raising taxes because if they do, they won't get in.

Rb

When I voted No to the Lisbon Treaty I meant it.

junkyard

Well at least you voted no.;)

OPENROAD

Sleipnir wrote: »

The opposition won't even mention raising taxes because if they do, they won't get in.

I agree the opposition have been very short on detail of what they would do, their is a great deal of uncertainty as to what the govt will do in the next budget and this uncertainty is not a good thing, what will they raise and this is not necesaary a good thing, just look what has happned with VAT going up, will putting up the likes of cgt necessary bring in more?

K-9

junkyard wrote: »

but this man couldn't look after his own finances a few years ago and had the banks write off his own bad debts along with Haughey and a few others, and now he's advising the government on how to sort things out??

I wouldn't worry that he couldn't sort out his own finances, I'd worry he couldn't sort out the countries. IMF was due to be called in.

Take whatever advice he gives and do the opposite.

tony1kenobi

eoin wrote: »

WTF does WHF stand for?

As I understand WHF is the frequency on televisions that Delboy sells so that you can tune in Eastern European stations without having to get a satellite dish.

phantom_lord

junkyard wrote: »

I just watched the nine o'clock and there I saw Garret Fitzgerld advising on how to sort out the mess we're in at the moment.........now correct me if I'm wrong here, but this man couldn't look after his own finances a few years ago and had the banks write off his own bad debts along with Haughey and a few others, and now he's advising the government on how to sort things out?? I don't know wheather to laugh or cry at the brass neck of him I really don't. Watching the running of this country is like watching a car crash in slow motion, you know it's going to be bad but you'd feel like running in and pulling these muppets out before there is absolutely no hope.:(

wasn't he an economics lecturer? pretty sure he's one of the most qualified people in the country to give advice.

Sleipnir

PHD in economics, lectured in politics and economics.

Obviously OP is better qualified.

junkyard

phantom_lord wrote: »

wasn't he an economics lecturer? pretty sure he's one of the most qualified people in the country to give advice.

He might have been, but practice and theory are two very different things.

Sleipnir

junkyard wrote: »

He might have been, but practice and theory are two very different things.

Well, he's not practising it now, he's talking about it. He's retired.

Given his education and the fact that he's been Taoiseach twice, he's more qualified to comment on the current state then either you or I do.

dSTAR

I know someone who lectures and has degrees coming out of his arse but doesn't know how to boil an egg.

junkyard

Sleipnir wrote: »

PHD in economics, lectured in politics and economics.

Obviously OP is better qualified.

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, but at least i wouldn't be telling people what to do if I wasn't capable of running my own affairs properly.

phantom_lord

dSTAR wrote: »

I know someone who lectures and has degrees coming out of his arse but doesn't know how to boil an egg.

i presume he knows about what he lectures though?

K-9

phantom_lord wrote: »

wasn't he an economics lecturer? pretty sure he's one of the most qualified people in the country to give advice.

Heh, I take it you aren't old enough to remember 1982-87?

junkyard wrote: »

He might have been, but practice and theory are two very different things.

Exactly, sums him up.

Sleipnir

junkyard wrote: »

Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, but at least i wouldn't be telling people what to do if I wasn't capable of running my own affairs properly.

Meh, neither can Stephen Hawkings; smart man though. Churchill was a drunk who spent a large part of the war sleeping during the day but He did know how to run a war.

It's often the case that intelligent people can't do things that you or I take for granted. My uncle is a mathematical genius but we found him trying to use a coffee machine to make soup.

phantom_lord

K-9 wrote: »

Heh, I take it you aren't old enough to remember 1982-87?

before i was born :pac:

i can't claim to know much about that era, but that wasn't really his fault was it? and he's hands were tied by being in coalition with a bunch of those bearded types?

junkyard

Well from what I can remember of his governing skills he wasn't exactly great at that either.

dSTAR

phantom_lord wrote: »

i presume he knows about what he lectures though?

Quite possibly. But book knowledge and practical experience / pragmatism are two very different things.

ejmaztec

Is there a politician in this country, retired or otherwise, who hasn't got a high opinion of himself?

K-9

phantom_lord wrote: »

before i was born :pac:

i can't claim to know much about that era, but that wasn't really his fault was it? and he's hands were tied by being in coalition with a bunch of those bearded types?

And this isn't Cowens?

He was the stereotypical intellectual.

phantom_lord

dSTAR wrote: »

Quite possibly. But book knowledge and practical experience / pragmatism are two very different things.

but he has both?

stepbar

I fund it funny that someone who supports Fianna Fail is critising someone from Fine Gael for offering up a solution to all the crap happening at the moment. Bertie couldn't remember where all that money came from. Surely pot calling the kettle black, eh?

dSTAR

Asking Fitzgerald (or Haughey) to come back to run the country would be like asking my granma to enter the Miss World competition. Shes dead btw. They came from very different eras and the world we are in now is very different to the world in which they were running the country.

phantom_lord

i don't think he supports ff.

junkyard

I hope you don't think I support FF.....TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT MY SIG!!!!!!!!!

phantom_lord

K-9 wrote: »

And this isn't Cowens?

He was the stereotypical intellectual.

i wasn't implying that it was cowens. i just took it that you were insinuating that the problems back then were Garret Fitzgerald's doing.

dSTAR wrote: »

Asking Fitzgerald (or Haughey) to come back to run the country would be like asking my granma to enter the Miss World competition. Shes dead btw. They came from very different eras and the world we are in now is very different to the world in which they were running the country.

i think he would do a much better job than the politicians were have around at the moment.

Guy:Incognito

junkyard wrote: »

I just watched the nine o'clock and there I saw Garret Fitzgerld advising on how to sort out the mess we're in at the moment.........now correct me if I'm wrong here, but this man couldn't look after his own finances a few years ago and had the banks write off his own bad debts along with Haughey and a few others, and now he's advising the government on how to sort things out?? I don't know wheather to laugh or cry at the brass neck of him I really don't. Watching the running of this country is like watching a car crash in slow motion, you know it's going to be bad but you'd feel like running in and pulling these muppets out before there is absolutely no hope.:(

I thought you left the country?

junkyard

phantom_lord wrote: »

i think he would do a much better job than the politicians were have around at the moment.

Well that wouldn't be hard because the politicians we have at the moment are doing sweet f*ck all.

junkyard

Stekelly wrote: »

I thought you left the country?

Coming and going sorting out my stuff, if that's ok with you.

phantom_lord

you still don't accept that with his education and the fact that he's been Taoiseach twice that he may have some worthwhile advice to give?

K-9

phantom_lord wrote: »

i wasn't implying that it was cowens. i just took it that you were insinuating that the problems back then were Garret Fitzgerald's doing.

He was the Taoiseach for 5 years and instead of doing what he said he would, he doubled our debt and raised taxes.

Jaysus, give it 20 years and we'll be reading Cowen lectures on the economy.

stepbar

junkyard wrote: »

I hope you don't think I support FF.....TAKE A CLOSER LOOK AT MY SIG!!!!!!!!!

Hey now here....... I seem to remember round election 07', posts on the Politics forum to the contrary.

dSTAR

phantom_lord wrote: »

i think he would do a much better job than the politicians were have around at the moment.

Sad but true.

phantom_lord

K-9 wrote: »

He was the Taoiseach for 5 years and instead of doing what he said he would, he doubled our debt and raised taxes.

but that wasn't really his fault was it? and he's hands were tied by being in coalition with a bunch of those bearded types?

no?

stepbar

K-9 wrote: »

He was the Taoiseach for 5 years and instead of doing what he said he would, he doubled our debt and raised taxes.

Jaysus, give it 20 years and we'll be reading Cowen lectures on the economy.

It didn't help that Fianna Fail left an almighty mess before Fine Gael either I suppose.

Guy:Incognito

junkyard wrote: »

Coming and going sorting out my stuff, if that's ok with you.

Nope, jog on and moan about the goings on wherever your laying you hat nowadays.

I just hope it isnt France. I'll be able to hear you from here.:D

Blackjack

phantom_lord wrote: »

i wasn't implying that it was cowens. i just took it that you were insinuating that the problems back then were Garret Fitzgerald's doing.

Did he not double the national Debt during his tenure?. Surely as an economist, he had to wonder about that?.

phantom_lord wrote: »

i think he would do a much better job than the politicians were have around at the moment.

That's possibly true, but a lot of people would be better than the idiots - both Government and opposition - in both houses at the moment. I can see very few genuine leaders or representatives in either the Dáil or the senate right now.

K-9

phantom_lord wrote: »

no?

I believe he was well intentioned but he was never a politician.

It was a coalition and yes, he had to consider Labour. Still, FF don't care too much about the Greens. That doesn't absolve him of responsibility for the mess in 1987, after 5 years of his Govt.

He was that bad, Dukes introduced the Tallaght strategy, somebody finally had to do what they said. If anything, we owe him the "how not to run a country during a recession" lessons.

PS. If Dick Spring wrote the same, I'd be as critical.

K-9

stepbar wrote: »

It didn't help that Fianna Fail left an almighty mess before Fine Gael either I suppose.

Completely accepted. Unfortunately FG and Labour made it worse. McSharry cleaned up everybodies mess.