Revolution in the air?

dsmythy · 19-02-2009 02:47AM

Mhmm...weetabix wrote: »

You sound freakishly like my dad, apart from he goes 1 further in making sure kenny steps aside and have Bruton take the hot seat and steer us through the recession.

Mhmm...weetabix, I am your father.

A modern Irish revolution is replacing one establishment political party with another very similar establishment political party. viva la non-difference!

j1smithy · 19-02-2009 02:51AM

Darragh29 wrote: »

Absolute rubbish. He could have said that he was aware of the names of the people involved but was not prepared to divulge them this side of the investigation being complete. Instead he has spoken though the two sides of his idiotic gob and made a fool out of himself and the rest of us...

Of course he could have, but could he have fully satisfied himself that none of them were involved without knowing the names of these ten "Golden People" who actually are involved??? No he couldn't. Also he hasn't denied that some extremely wealthy FF backbenchers who just happened to have the wrong c*ck in their gob for the last 20 odd years which kept them on the back benches, is not associated with this scandal...

Right so if he found out and decided to tell us, what exactly would it achieve? Well it would further deminish confidence in the banks because there would be no chance of those people being held accountable for their actions.

No he can't be certain, but I said he has put his trust in his cabinet to tell the truth. Time will tell if he has been lied to, however the consequences of not owning up now for a minister would be catastrophic fo the entire government and they all know that.

j1smithy · 19-02-2009 02:56AM

Darragh29 wrote: »

Me feinism me arse. What is happening now is healthy. Bring the country to a halt, this is what is required. Our politcal system is constipated, and we have to collectively brace ourselves and push hard and suffer the short term pain, while the veins on our faces bulge, to get rid of this government, so that our long term better interests are protected...

Healthy? Are you for real??? Yes get all the banking scandals dealt with in the appriopariate fashion, lets get the corrupt out, lets put the fraudsters away. However striking and protesting about cutbacks that are incrediably necessary is not healthy, on the contrary its counter productive. It is Mé feinism, all the unions are interested in is the take home pay of their members and to hell with the rest of us.

Darragh29 · 19-02-2009 02:59AM

j1smithy wrote: »

Right so if he found out and decided to tell us, what exactly would it achieve? Well it would further deminish confidence in the banks because there would be no chance of those people being held accountable for their actions.

No he can't be certain, but I said he has put his trust in his cabinet to tell the truth. Time will tell if he has been lied to, however the consequences of not owning up now for a minister would be catastrophic fo the entire government and they all know that.

We need to get to the bottom of this corruption, IMMEDIATELY. We can get it done in a week or a year. If we continue to drip feed corruption stories to the world for another year, we are doomed. If we take a mature and unprecedented approach to this, we can get the worst behind us, IMMEDIATELY. We are a laughing stock of the whole earthly world right now, to call us the wild west of banking now is to give us undue credit. Right now, we are the Phillipinian Pattaya of the world.

Why can we not have a new approach right now??? Because it would appear that the corruption is also within the politcal system and it would appear that the politicans and the bankers and developers are all in cahoots.

If we have the facts, we can make our own decisions but not until then. People who have made no mistakes have nothing to fear from the truth.

Darragh29 · 19-02-2009 03:08AM

j1smithy wrote: »

Healthy? Are you for real??? Yes get all the banking scandals dealt with in the appriopariate fashion, lets get the corrupt out, lets put the fraudsters away. However striking and protesting about cutbacks that are incrediably necessary is not healthy, on the contrary its counter productive. It is Mé feinism, all the unions are interested in is the take home pay of their members and to hell with the rest of us.

You envisage that the ambulance man driving around tonight in Tallaght or the nurse in A & E in St. James is game ball for hardship while at the same time, we have 2 government ministers who take a private jet to Texas at a cost to the rest of us of 130K plus and don't even come back with a result, are you insane??? We have a sitting MINISTER who has cost us over 50,000,000 Euro for E-Voting machines that Robert Mugabe wouldn't buy, and he's still there laughing away at us, after claiming for an 80K Euro Olympics junket, still claiming unvouched expenses, still riding every taxpayer in the country.

We have TD's STILL claiming UNVOUCHED expenses in their job and yet the man who gets up at 6AM to clean O' Connell Street is asked to shoulder the burden for the country???

I am a private sector worker and the idea of unvouched expenses to me is simply illegal. If I don't have receipt, I don't get a refund and sometimes even if I have a receipt, I still can't claim so I am out of pocket!

DublinWriter · 19-02-2009 03:09AM

Trumpton Riots - Half Man Half Biscuit

Unemployments rising In the Chigley end of town,
And it's spreading like pneumonia doesn't look like going down.
There's trouble at the fire station someone's had the sack,
And the lads are going to launch a scheme to get rid of Captain Flak.

Tell PC McGarry to get himself a mate,
And arm themselves with CS gas - they're going to be out late.
We've had cant conformism since 1966,
And now subversions in the air in the shape of flying bricks.

Chorus:
Someone get a message through to Captain Snort
That they better start assembling the boys from the fort.
And keep Mrs. Honeyman right out of sight,
'Cos there's gonna be riot down in Trumpton Tonight.

All this aristocracy has really got to stop'
We could overthrow the surgery and kidnap Dr Mopp.
The Chippy Minton Socialists could storm the market square,
And make plans to assassinate our aristocratic mayor!

Windy Miller leads his Basque like corngrinders to war,
With windmill sails and bombs with nails they smash the town hall door.
But Snorty and the boys arrive with one big erstwhile crew,
Whereupon they bring about a military coup.

j1smithy · 19-02-2009 03:18AM

Darragh29 wrote: »

We need to get to the bottom of this corruption, IMMEDIATELY. We can get it done in a week or a year. If we continue to drip feed corruption stories to the world for another year, we are doomed. If we take a mature and unprecedented approach to this, we can get the worst behind us, IMMEDIATELY. We are a laughing stock of the whole earthly world right now, to call us the wild west of banking now is to give us undue credit. Right now, we are the Phillipinian Pattaya of the world.

Why can we not have a new approach right now??? Because it would appear that the corruption is also within the politcal system and it would appear that the politicans and the bankers and developers are all in cahoots.

If we have the facts, we can make our own decisions but not until then. People who have made no mistakes have nothing to fear from the truth.

I actually agree with you. It would be great if we had complete transparency in the banks and that everything was out in the open now. I too would like to see the investigations that are being undertaken to be finished post haste. Taking excerpts from these unfinished reports is dangerous though. I would prefer to have the whole report in my hand before drawing conclusions. But as I said, these investigations need to be completed quickly and also be thorough.

An election now would be a distraction for a month. There would be no leadership whatsoever for that period, leaving the new taioseach with the same + more problems. What I want to see is a government of national unity, however there are too many in Fine Gael who are enjoying seeing Fianna Fail in trouble, and are still bitter about what happened after the Tallaght strategy. There are many very talented people in the opposition and I think they could make a valuable contribution with new ideas... however petty party politics will stop this from becoming a reality, as there is no major ideological differences between the two main parties (really)

Darragh29 · 19-02-2009 03:24AM

j1smithy wrote: »

I actually agree with you. It would be great if we had complete transparency in the banks and that everything was out in the open now. I too would like to see the investigations that are being undertaken to be finished post haste. Taking excerpts from these unfinished reports is dangerous though. I would prefer to have the whole report in my hand before drawing conclusions. But as I said, these investigations need to be completed quickly and also be thorough.

An election now would be a distraction for a month. There would be no leadership whatsoever for that period, leaving the new taioseach with the same + more problems. What I want to see is a government of national unity, however there are too many in Fine Gael who are enjoying seeing Fianna Fail in trouble, and are still bitter about what happened after the Tallaght strategy. There are many very talented people in the opposition and I think they could make a valuable contribution with new ideas... however petty party politics will stop this from becoming a reality, as there is no major ideological differences between the two main parties (really)

This is no longer a matter of ideological difference as you put it. This is now about a corrupt government that is obviously hiding something and making absolute retards of the wider constituency that makes up the electorate of country. There is no future with this government, they simply cannot be trusted, first of all, they drive us into this mess and now that we are in quicksand, they are still lying and avoiding and covering up and it's more of the same.

I don't care if the next government are incapable or incompetent, all I care is that they are not a corrupt government with 5 reverse gears and one broken forward gear. If they are capable and competent, this is an added bonus in my opinion. At least they won't be in cahoots with people who have wrecked our economy....

j1smithy · 19-02-2009 03:29AM

Darragh29 wrote: »

You envisage that the ambulance man driving around tonight in Tallaght or the nurse in A & E in St. James is game ball for hardship while at the same time, we have 2 government ministers who take a private jet to Texas at a cost to the rest of us of 130K plus and don't even come back with a result, are you insane??? We have a sitting MINISTER who has cost us over 50,000,000 Euro for E-Voting machines that Robert Mugabe wouldn't buy, and he's still there laughing away at us, after claiming for an 80K Euro Olympics junket, still claiming unvouched expenses, still riding every taxpayer in the country.

We have TD's STILL claiming UNVOUCHED expenses in their job and yet the man who gets up at 6AM to clean O' Connell Street is asked to shoulder the burden for the country???

I am a private sector worker and the idea of unvouched expenses to me is simply illegal. If I don't have receipt, I don't get a refund and sometimes even if I have a receipt, I still can't claim so I am out of pocket!

I never said I thought frivilous spending shouldn't be cut back... in fact it should.TD's on both sides of the house claim those expenses and theres nothing new about that. I would like to see them make the gesture scrapping expenses, and halving the number of deputies. The money saved would be small but highly symbolic and would show great solidarity with the ordinary folk in Ireland. However what you seem to be calling for is a more radical overhaul of the political system? What exactly would you like to see instead of the Dáil? We get the people we elect, so its our fault for the people sitting in Leinster house.

But yes the ambulance man, nurses, doctors, teachers, gardai, civil servents should all take their pay cut and be happy it isn't more. And if they don't like it let them find a job in the private sector... Then they'll be happy they have a guaranteed job.

K-9 · 19-02-2009 03:51AM

Army Junta FTW.

Oh wait......................

ScumLord · 19-02-2009 06:14AM

The vast majority of the Irish didn't revolt the last time, British troops where welcomed off the boat with cups of tea before they marched into town. The Easter rising was used as an opportunity to loot all of Dublin major stores by the locals.

It would take a hell of a allot to get the Irish to revolt.

bluesguitar · 19-02-2009 06:31AM

I'm game ball! Viva la revolucion!!!!

19-02-2009 07:45AM

Party time?

luckat · 19-02-2009 09:50AM

Actually if you read unbiased (un-embedded) on-the-spot reports of Easter 1916, the British troops were not welcomed, and the revolutionaries were cheered through the poor areas.

By the same token, if you eat those 200 cans of baked beans, don't let off a shotgun anywhere near you, unless you want to die in a suicide gas bomb.

Of course we need a new government, and we don't need a revolution. We need to vote in some honest and capable people who aren't tainted by association with the crooks of the banking and property development sectors.

SEPT 23 1989 · 19-02-2009 10:16AM

We need this to explode on the streets and to see the corrupt FF gone from power forever,their bankers jailed and for the rest of the world to see that
the good people of the Republic cannot abide whats happening to our great country this needs to happen to clear the air and give us hope for our futures.

Revolution in the air?

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