Revolution in the air?

ninebeanrows · 19-02-2009 12:59AM #1

So i was walking home tonight and noticed all the signs and posters beginning to be erected about protests etc. Old women giving out 'FAT CAT' leaflets.

I couldn't help but feeling that revolution was in the air, anyone else think the next few weeks and months we'll see widespread protests and unrest across the country as the revolution starts and we get the FF crooks out of power?

Mhmm...weetabix · 19-02-2009 12:59AM

And then??

falipo · 19-02-2009 01:00AM

Weathercheck wrote: »

I couldn't help but feeling that revolution was in the air, anyone else think the next few weeks and months we'll see widespread protests and unrest across the country as the revolution starts and we get the FF crooks out of power?

We put them in there...

Melange · 19-02-2009 01:01AM

Weathercheck wrote: »

So i was walking home tonight and noticed all the signs and posters beginning to be erected about protests etc. Old women giving out 'FAT CAT' leaflets.

I couldn't help but feeling that revolution was in the air, anyone else think the next few weeks and months we'll see widespread protests and unrest across the country as the revolution starts and we get the FF crooks out of power?

The Irish people are inherently conservative. We don't, for the most part, really *do* revolutions. Things would have to be far worse than they are now for such a thing to happen.

ninebeanrows · 19-02-2009 01:03AM

Mhmm...weetabix wrote: »

And then??

Nothing like fresh leadership and hope to start getting people moving again, people are depressed and angry.

They need a fresh approach, everybody is willing to take sacrifices, but they want to see justice and a sense that we are moving in a positive way.

Holsten · 19-02-2009 01:04AM

No, will never happen.

ninebeanrows · 19-02-2009 01:07AM

Holsten wrote: »

No, will never happen.

When ya cant get money out of your bank or are paying 50% interest on your loans and there is 25% unemployment i think people will :pac:

Melange · 19-02-2009 01:11AM

Weathercheck wrote: »

When ya cant get money out of your bank or are paying 50% interest on your loans and there is 25% unemployment i think people will :pac:

But that's well in excess of even the most gloomy predictions!

Nah, no need to buy a shotgun and 200 tins of baked beans. Anarchy ain't happening anytime soon.

paddyb125 · 19-02-2009 01:13AM

No chance

youcrazyjesus! · 19-02-2009 01:13AM

I'm certainly no economist but I think a new government, a far-reaching and expansive recovery package, new faces telling us how they were going to go about fixing problems would do wonders for sentiment. For example some companies I know of, who were at the time doing fine, ended their future recruitment plans because of the downturn, the downturn they weren't at the time experiencing. Simply because of all the bad news that they were hearing on the radio. Surely this compounds the problem.

Unions and people facing levys and cuts would accept taking them in the short term if it was coming from Richard Bruton rather than from another FF
robot Minister. The downside is having Enda Kenny as Taoiseach but I think we'll grin and bear it.

If people had a reason to believe things would get better in the medium to long term things would start moving again - prospective first time buyers (you bastards who have secure jobs) would want to get in before prices started rising again, people would get their building jobs done before builders and tradesmen became a luxury again, people might start buying cars, companies might start making plans and manoeuvre themselves to take advantage of better times.

I know it's not that simple and probably wishful thinking but there is probably some truth to that line of thinking.

It's a pity we don't have recall elections here.

Mhmm...weetabix · 19-02-2009 01:15AM

Weathercheck wrote: »

Nothing like fresh leadership and hope to start getting people moving again, people are depressed and angry.

They need a fresh approach, everybody is willing to take sacrifices, but they want to see justice and a sense that we are moving in a positive way.

Yeah, that's true but when people realise that until things around the world start to improve it's not going to improve on our small island. I still havent heard any substantial plans coming from Fine Gael that will get us out of this and as for Labour, Eamon Gilmore last I heard is denying the recession is even happening (this may or may not be true)

Holsten · 19-02-2009 01:16AM

I really don't know of anything that would really get any reaction from the majority of the public in this country.

ninebeanrows · 19-02-2009 01:16AM

Melange wrote: »

But that's well in excess of even the most gloomy predictions!

Nah, no need to buy a shotgun and 200 tins of baked beans. Anarchy ain't happening anytime soon.

Unlikely to be that extreme but no impossible.

That would require Ireland to default on its debt and the IMF to move into the country, our Unemployment figure will likely reach 20% at present predictions.

Chance of Ireland defaulting at the moment is around 25%

ninebeanrows · 19-02-2009 01:17AM

Mhmm...weetabix wrote: »

Yeah, that's true but when people realise that until things around the world start to improve it's not going to improve on our small island. I still havent heard any substantial plans coming from Fine Gael that will get us out of this and as for Labour, Eamon Gilmore last I heard is denying the recession is even happening (this may or may not be true)

Obviously is a blatant lie tbh, you think he's a fool?

He's the most capable leader.

Mhmm...weetabix · 19-02-2009 01:20AM

youcrazyjesus! wrote: »

I'm certainly no economist but I think a new government, a far-reaching and expansive recovery package, new faces telling us how they were going to go about fixing problems would do wonders for sentiment. For example some companies I know of, who were at the time doing fine, ended their future recruitment plans because of the downturn, the downturn they weren't at the time experiencing. Simply because of all the bad news that they were hearing on the radio. Surely this compounds the problem.

Unions and people facing levys and cuts would accept taking them in the short term if it was coming from Richard Bruton rather than from another FF
robot Minister. The downside is having Enda Kenny as Taoiseach but I think we'll grin and bear it.

If people had a reason to believe things would get better in the medium to long term things would start moving again - prospective first time buyers (you bastards who have secure jobs) would want to get in before prices started rising again, people would get their building jobs done before builders and tradesmen became a luxury again, people might start buying cars, companies might start making plans and manoeuvre themselves to take advantage of better times.

I know it's not that simple and probably wishful thinking but there is probably some truth to that line of thinking.

It's a pity we don't have recall elections here.

You sound freakishly like my dad, apart from he goes 1 further in making sure kenny steps aside and have Bruton take the hot seat and steer us through the recession.

mikom · 19-02-2009 01:20AM

Weathercheck wrote: »

So i was walking home tonight and noticed all the signs and posters beginning to be erected about protests etc.

Pity you didn't notice the three suspended domains in your sig.
Times are getting hard. :pac::pac:

ninebeanrows · 19-02-2009 01:23AM

mikom wrote: »

Pity you didn't notice the three suspended domains in your sig.
Times are getting hard. :pac::pac:

hey! leave it out! i still own the most important one just not arsed at the moment:D

Melange · 19-02-2009 01:23AM

Weathercheck wrote: »

Unlikely to be that extreme but no impossible.

That would require Ireland to default on its debt and the IMF to move into the country, our Unemployment figure will likely reach 20% at present predictions.

Chance of Ireland defaulting at the moment is around 25%

I don't mean to be a pedantic stickler, but could you provide a source for the 25% default statistic? Last I heard the chance of default was nothing as bad as that.

Mhmm...weetabix · 19-02-2009 01:28AM

Weathercheck wrote: »

Obviously is a blatant lie tbh, you think he's a fool?

He's the most capable leader.

It was a joke btw.
Last piece I read from him is going back about 2-3 weeks now and he hadn't offered any plan for economic recovery, just mentioned that we needed a fast track a stimulus plan to create jobs and get people back working. Atleast put forward hard fast proposals instead of telling us what we all already know. I've actually stopped listening to recession politics lately (the last week) as I have alot of things going on in my personal life so if anything has changed point me in the direction of their proposals

ninebeanrows · 19-02-2009 01:34AM

Melange wrote: »

I don't mean to be a pedantic stickler, but could you provide a source for the 25% default statistic? Last I heard the chance of default was nothing as bad as that.

The CDS spreads give the best forecast for Ireland defaulting.

We are now at around 380.. which i do believe calculates as a 25% risk, Iceland is at 1000, we are 2nd behind them, Iceland has defaulted on its debt.

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Ireland-default-fears-rise/story.aspx?guid={56269F08-B818-4D69-A704-D73D2E8DE43E}

http://seekingalpha.com/article/120532-the-irish-troubles-g7-needs-to-act-now

http://acrossthecurve.com/?p=3048

Darragh29 · 19-02-2009 01:39AM

Couldn't agree more OP.

Can someone tell me how this can be possible???

(1) Cowen comes out and gives us a "guarantee" tonight that nobody in the cabinet is involved in the "golden circle" scandal...

(2) In the same breath, he says he doesn't know who the 10 people who make up the "golden circle", actually are...

How on earth can these two statements possibly be reconciled!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I'm protesting this Saturday, to get rid of these USELESS APES who I wouldn't ask to organise a p*ss up in a Heineken factory...

19-02-2009 01:44AM

Nothing will change because Irish people simply lack any real political ideas. Most people's views boil down to "more good things, fewer bad things!"

punchdrunk · 19-02-2009 01:48AM

994 wrote: »

Nothing will change because Irish people simply lack any real political ideas. Most people's views boil down to "more good things, fewer bad things!"

you say that like it's a bad thing?

Cow Moolester · 19-02-2009 01:50AM

I'm sorry but would it not really put off multi-nation companies and foreign investors if all this did happen here?

youcrazyjesus! · 19-02-2009 01:56AM

Cow Moolester wrote: »

I'm sorry but would it not really put off multi-nation companies and foreign investors if all this did happen here?

Stalin could be in charge for all they care, as long as low tax rates and grants are maintained.

Duiske · 19-02-2009 02:11AM

Anyone interested in a new campaign of protests against the protesters ?
If they keep up all this pressure, the greens will jump ship and then who have we got ? Enda "I have a plan but its a secret" Kenny, thats who.

Darragh29 · 19-02-2009 02:19AM

Cow Moolester wrote: »

I'm sorry but would it not really put off multi-nation companies and foreign investors if all this did happen here?

Yeah, sure you wouldn't be Irish at all if you didn't worry about offending the visitors. These same people are now laughing at us on the basis of what is unfolding here, if a fraction of what we are seeing here was happening back in their own country, their operations would be on hold while people took to the streets... Stand up and be counted for something while there is still a country left to salvage.

I'm starting to think my Anglican ancestors had the right idea when they thought we should have been governed by a foreign government, because we are clearly unable to even organise a vibrator throwing competition outside an Ann Summers shop in this country.

j1smithy · 19-02-2009 02:29AM

Darragh29 wrote: »

Couldn't agree more OP.

Can someone tell me how this can be possible???

(1) Cowen comes out and gives us a "guarantee" tonight that nobody in the cabinet is involved in the "golden circle" scandal...

(2) In the same breath, he says he doesn't know who the 10 people who make up the "golden circle", actually are...

How on earth can these two statements possibly be reconciled!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I'm protesting this Saturday, to get rid of these USELESS APES who I wouldn't ask to organise a p*ss up in a Heineken factory...

You sir obviously haven't a clue... You cannot name people in an ongoing investigation without compromising it.

Did it ever occur to you that he could have asked his cabinet were they involved in loans/dealings with Anglo? I'm guessing hes putting his trust in his cabinet with their answers.

j1smithy · 19-02-2009 02:33AM

Weathercheck wrote: »

Nothing like fresh leadership and hope to start getting people moving again, people are depressed and angry.

They need a fresh approach, everybody is willing to take sacrifices, but they want to see justice and a sense that we are moving in a positive way.

Have you been living under a rock for the past few days? Everyone willing to make sacrifices my arse. Busses going on all out strike, other unions balloting industrial action and every interest group in the country bring Dublin city centre to a halt mid day everyday.

I wish everyone was willing to pull together, however "Mé feinism" seems to be the order of the day, and you know what, it disgusts me.

Darragh29 · 19-02-2009 02:39AM

j1smithy wrote: »

You sir obviously haven't a clue... You cannot name people in an ongoing investigation without compromising it.

Absolute rubbish. He could have said that he was aware of the names of the people involved but was not prepared to divulge them this side of the investigation being complete. Instead he has spoken though the two sides of his idiotic gob and made a fool out of himself and the rest of us...

j1smithy wrote: »

Did it ever occur to you that he could have asked his cabinet were they involved in loans/dealings with Anglo? I'm guessing hes putting his trust in his cabinet with their answers.

Of course he could have, but could he have fully satisfied himself that none of them were involved without knowing the names of these ten "Golden People" who actually are involved??? No he couldn't. Also he hasn't denied that some extremely wealthy FF backbenchers who just happened to have the wrong c*ck in their gob for the last 20 odd years which kept them on the back benches, is not associated with this scandal...

Darragh29 · 19-02-2009 02:42AM

j1smithy wrote: »

Have you been living under a rock for the past few days? Everyone willing to make sacrifices my arse. Busses going on all out strike, other unions balloting industrial action and every interest group in the country bring Dublin city centre to a halt mid day everyday.

I wish everyone was willing to pull together, however "Mé feinism" seems to be the order of the day, and you know what, it disgusts me.

Me feinism me arse. What is happening now is healthy. Bring the country to a halt, this is what is required. Our politcal system is constipated, and we have to collectively brace ourselves and push hard and suffer the short term pain, while the veins on our faces bulge, to get rid of this government, so that our long term better interests are protected...

Revolution in the air?

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